Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
Israel used 50-80% of its entire air force every day to suppress SSM bases and needed US GBU-57s to destroy Natanz (10-20m underground) and (maybe) Fordow (80m under mountain)

and the element of surprise of local drone terrorists used to paralyse Iran's air defences and limit operational freedom for missile teams is heavily degraded at least

I don't think it's feasible for them to repeat this every time. Iran's new nuclear sites (Natanz-2 150m, Qazvin 200-250m) are buried far deeper than Fordow (80m). Israel can't reach them even if the US gives them B-2s and infinite GBU-57s (which cost $30m each and only exist in very small numbers, up to c. 20-30 left).

Israel didn't even try to hit the missile cities buried 200-400m under mountains.

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I don't think they are trying to destroy underground nuclear sites, Netanyahu seems to have some sort of delusion of wanting to turn Iran into Dahiya.
 
hyperman said:
I don't think they are trying to destroy underground nuclear sites, Netanyahu seems to have some sort of delusion of wanting to turn Iran into Dahiya.
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this is where Iran's strategic depth comes into play. Iran is way too big for that. look at how many explosives/bombs/shells Russia has thrown at Ukraine in 3 years of war and still most of Ukraine looks largely fine and normal life continues.

and Iran is 3x the size of Ukraine... and Israel lacks the firepower of Russia and has to travel 1500km+ (each way) to deliver that firepower. Israel can't sustain 70% of their entire airforce flying to Iran and back 24/7 forever.

If Bibi's objective is not to destroy underground nuclear sites then bombing random Iranian cities just makes it more likely IRI will be forced to use those sites to go nuclear. so I don't really buy it.

also encouraging that despite the mass internal sabotage (massive intel failure), rumours of commando raids in missile/nuclear sites never materialised. ChatGPT thinks even the GBU-57 taps out around 200m of depth, and even nuclear bunker busters like B-61 are ineffective for anything buried deeper than 200-250m under granite mountains. Hajizadeh said some of Iran's SSM bases are 500m under mountains. So Israel doesn't have many options here other than try to incite regime change, which some say is what their decapitation strikes intended to do (Operation "Rising Lion").
 
OldTwilight said:
we should make Haifa and TEL Aviv unliveable
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build way more entrance tunnels to each base, with excavators inside, and more silos, and distribute the launchers to hundreds of locations, and move more MRBMs to central Iran SSM bases away from bases in the West
 
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OldTwilight said:
with arrivals of Su35 and if it's available 50 J10c/d or j35ae , they will finally accept the reality or they will perish
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Friend, you have a very strange mind.

On the one hand, you are constantly blaming China on this forum, accusing China of having very poor weapons systems ......

And on the other hand, you want China to provide Iran with the J-10C which you think is very poor ......

How would you feel about this phenomenon if yours was Chinese?
 
Persian Gulf said:
build way more entrance tunnels to each base, with excavators inside, and more silos, and distribute the launchers to hundreds of locations, and move more MRBMs to central Iran SSM bases away from bases in the West
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I think these are good steps, but we should secure our western provinces , we need 10,000 short range BMs with at least 800 km range to keep Baku and Neo-Ottomans in check ....

If we show weakness , they will initiate ground invasion by using PKK(Pjak) , salfis from Syria with direct support of Neo-Ottoman and Baku ...


sidenote : we should have 5 army ready for east as well , 2 army in Mashhad and Zahedan backup by 3 armies in Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz to keep Taliban and Pakistan in chech as well ( we should not putting anything to others good will or chance )
 
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Michael said:
Friend, you have a very strange mind.

On the one hand, you are constantly blaming China on this forum, accusing China of having very poor weapons systems ......

And on the other hand, you want China to provide Iran with the J-10C which you think is very poor ......

How would you feel about this phenomenon if yours was Chinese?
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Some is reality check , some is optimistic wishful thinking ( for sure I would enjoy having 40 brand new j10c or j35 in our arsenal right now, I'm not a fool ) ... And yes , your fighters are good but your exported AD didn't show better performance than ours , so instead of buying HQ-xx systems and spend 6-12 months to train and integrate it tou our AD network , it's more practical to buy spare part from China and repair our AD and produce new one , or just order new S300 PMU2 from Russia ...

You guys telling we should cancel su35 deal and buy j10c , which is absurd because we paid for su35 and this is TOT contract which will give us industrial base for further development while you didn't offer same cooperations for j10c/j35ae ...


Right now , our only chance for integrating any new fighter jet to our air force in next 6 months is su-35.
 
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OldTwilight said:
... And yes , your fighters are good but your exported AD didn't show better performance than ours ...

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Really, so you think Chinese AD exported to Pakistan in the Indo-Pak mini war performed worse than your AD in the Israeli attacks and bombings recently, wow.
 
ety said:
Really, so you think Chinese AD exported to Pakistan in the Indo-Pak mini war performed worse than your AD in the Israeli attacks and bombings recently, wow.
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well, show me statistics...
 
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