Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Garcia Sea]

It is not appropriate to criticize only Russia.
They harbor deep distrust because the reformists have consistently tried to approach the West.
When Rouhani negotiated with Biden to revive the JCPOA, there were reports that Russia was concerned about these talks.
Russia trusts North Korea because it has consistently shown a stance of confronting the United States.
Frankly, from an outsider’s perspective, Iran is overrun with foreign agents.
The President is very close to Azerbaijan, an enemy state, and among the reformists, there are countless individuals whose families or offspring hold American citizenship and plan to retire in the U.S.
I believe the Iranian people’s senses have become numb, but honestly, this is abnormal.
It’s only natural that they are not seen as a very reliable ally, for the same reasons Armenia was abandoned.

 

[hyperman]

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They are trying to turn Iran into Lebanon.

NEW: Netanyahu Seeks U.S. Pre-Approval for Future Strikes on Iran

In a meeting with President Trump on Monday, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu will request a formal U.S. “green light” to strike Iranian nuclear targets if Israel decides reconstruction efforts have resumed, according to a senior Israeli official who spoke to The Jerusalem Post.

➤ Israel wants a standing mandate modeled on Lebanon, where the U.S. has approved preemptive Israeli action in response to any activity Israel finds suspicious.

➤ Under this arrangement, the Israeli Air Force would be allowed to strike Iranian nuclear sites without needing new U.S. authorization each time.

➤ The proposed mechanism would effectively give Israel advance cover to escalate militarily if it claims Iran is rebuilding nuclear capabilities.

➤ Netanyahu is also pressing for the U.S. to activate “snapback” sanctions on Iran, citing lack of cooperation with the IAEA.

 

[hyperman]

These are the sorts of things Indians would say with respect to Chinese support of Pakistan ..... The Chinese won't fight for you etc etc


It's so intentionally said with bad faith, with respect to correct context

Except China did help Pakistan, more so than Russia helped Iran. And Pakistan didn't need help, it has nuclear weapons which prevent an escalation and created hard red lines.

Its not bad faith, its just stating the obvious Russia has no intention of taking a side. The people who think Russia, China and Iran are all besties in the same boat fighting against the world are the ones that are naive..

 

[Persian Gulf]

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They are trying to turn Iran into Lebanon.

NEW: Netanyahu Seeks U.S. Pre-Approval for Future Strikes on Iran

In a meeting with President Trump on Monday, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu will request a formal U.S. “green light” to strike Iranian nuclear targets if Israel decides reconstruction efforts have resumed, according to a senior Israeli official who spoke to The Jerusalem Post.

➤ Israel wants a standing mandate modeled on Lebanon, where the U.S. has approved preemptive Israeli action in response to any activity Israel finds suspicious.

➤ Under this arrangement, the Israeli Air Force would be allowed to strike Iranian nuclear sites without needing new U.S. authorization each time.

➤ The proposed mechanism would effectively give Israel advance cover to escalate militarily if it claims Iran is rebuilding nuclear capabilities.

➤ Netanyahu is also pressing for the U.S. to activate “snapback” sanctions on Iran, citing lack of cooperation with the IAEA.

Israel used 50-80% of its entire air force every day to suppress SSM bases and needed US GBU-57s to destroy Natanz (10-20m underground) and (maybe) Fordow (80m under mountain)

and the element of surprise of local drone terrorists used to paralyse Iran's air defences and limit operational freedom for missile teams is heavily degraded at least

I don't think it's feasible for them to repeat this every time. Iran's new nuclear sites (Natanz-2 150m, Qazvin 200-250m) are buried far deeper than Fordow (80m). Israel can't reach them even if the US gives them B-2s and infinite GBU-57s (which cost $30m each and only exist in very small numbers, up to c. 20-30 left).

Israel didn't even try to hit the missile cities buried 200-400m under mountains.

 

[Persian Gulf]

@ShapurII @Immortals @OldTwilight

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Yemeni missile impacts in Israel a few hours ago

 

[hyperman]

Israel used 50-80% of its entire air force every day to suppress SSM bases and needed US GBU-57s to destroy Natanz (10-20m underground) and (maybe) Fordow (80m under mountain)

and the element of surprise of local drone terrorists used to paralyse Iran's air defences and limit operational freedom for missile teams is heavily degraded at least

I don't think it's feasible for them to repeat this every time. Iran's new nuclear sites (Natanz-2 150m, Qazvin 200-250m) are buried far deeper than Fordow (80m). Israel can't reach them even if the US gives them B-2s and infinite GBU-57s (which cost $30m each and only exist in very small numbers, up to c. 20-30 left).

Israel didn't even try to hit the missile cities buried 200-400m under mountains.

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I don't think they are trying to destroy underground nuclear sites, Netanyahu seems to have some sort of delusion of wanting to turn Iran into Dahiya.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I don't think they are trying to destroy underground nuclear sites, Netanyahu seems to have some sort of delusion of wanting to turn Iran into Dahiya.

this is where Iran's strategic depth comes into play. Iran is way too big for that. look at how many explosives/bombs/shells Russia has thrown at Ukraine in 3 years of war and still most of Ukraine looks largely fine and normal life continues.

and Iran is 3x the size of Ukraine... and Israel lacks the firepower of Russia and has to travel 1500km+ (each way) to deliver that firepower. Israel can't sustain 70% of their entire airforce flying to Iran and back 24/7 forever.

If Bibi's objective is not to destroy underground nuclear sites then bombing random Iranian cities just makes it more likely IRI will be forced to use those sites to go nuclear. so I don't really buy it.

also encouraging that despite the mass internal sabotage (massive intel failure), rumours of commando raids in missile/nuclear sites never materialised. ChatGPT thinks even the GBU-57 taps out around 200m of depth, and even nuclear bunker busters like B-61 are ineffective for anything buried deeper than 200-250m under granite mountains. Hajizadeh said some of Iran's SSM bases are 500m under mountains. So Israel doesn't have many options here other than try to incite regime change, which some say is what their decapitation strikes intended to do (Operation "Rising Lion").

 

[OldTwilight]

I don't think they are trying to destroy underground nuclear sites, Netanyahu seems to have some sort of delusion of wanting to turn Iran into Dahiya.

we should make Haifa and TEL Aviv unliveable

 

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[Persian Gulf]

we should make Haifa and TEL Aviv unliveable

build way more entrance tunnels to each base, with excavators inside, and more silos, and distribute the launchers to hundreds of locations, and move more MRBMs to central Iran SSM bases away from bases in the West

 

[OldTwilight]

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@ShapurII @Immortals @OldTwilight

just restore AD and don't restraint ourselves and don't showing any mercy on them , we should constantly remind them who has upper hand .
with arrivals of Su35 and if it's available 50 J10c/d or j35ae , they will finally accept the reality or they will perish

 

[Michael]

with arrivals of Su35 and if it's available 50 J10c/d or j35ae , they will finally accept the reality or they will perish

Friend, you have a very strange mind.

On the one hand, you are constantly blaming China on this forum, accusing China of having very poor weapons systems ......

And on the other hand, you want China to provide Iran with the J-10C which you think is very poor ......

How would you feel about this phenomenon if yours was Chinese?

 

[OldTwilight]

build way more entrance tunnels to each base, with excavators inside, and more silos, and distribute the launchers to hundreds of locations, and move more MRBMs to central Iran SSM bases away from bases in the West

I think these are good steps, but we should secure our western provinces , we need 10,000 short range BMs with at least 800 km range to keep Baku and Neo-Ottomans in check ....

If we show weakness , they will initiate ground invasion by using PKK(Pjak) , salfis from Syria with direct support of Neo-Ottoman and Baku ...


sidenote : we should have 5 army ready for east as well , 2 army in Mashhad and Zahedan backup by 3 armies in Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz to keep Taliban and Pakistan in chech as well ( we should not putting anything to others good will or chance )

 

[the saint]

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