Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

— Side note: If you are not familiar with the “Iran International” media network and are confused why Iranian hackers would hack into a media outlet that has “Iran” in its name:

The “Iran International” media network consists of farsi speaking individuals, formerly funded by KSA, now paid by Israel, to propagate Israeli narratives filled with fake news and deliberate tactics to sow discord among the Iranian population. It’s perhaps the number one most influential anti-Iranian network that has brainwashed many inside of Iran.

Its main purpose is to advance Israel’s media agenda as part of its hybrid warfare campaign against Iran.

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The first victim is: Mojtaba Pourmohsen, Iran International journalist and ex Mossad asset

"Juicy" pictures of Motjaba inside his Iphone 14:


Handala claims they have full nude pictures of him and will expose everything if he doesn't resign from his job as a final warning

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[mangekyo]

Why the fukk China always denies this kind of stuff? So fukking afraid of USA that they can't even admit selling weapons to a country it has ties with? Like USA is not afraid to say it will sell weapons to Taiwan which China claims, so why can't China just sell weapons to a sovereign state like Iran without answering to anyone?

They denied it because they didn’t sell

 

[Sipahsalar]

Iran should look into the Kosovo war. The Serbians were in a similar situation like Iran, no air force but quite a few AD systems. They only lost a few of their systems in the war with USA and forced them to dedicate lots of air force for SEAD operations with mixed results (although Serbia lost the war).

Using AD effectively requires a lot of discipline and training. You need to know when to turn on radar and when to turn keep it off. Using AD like this forces the enemy to dedicate SEAD escorts to strike missions instead of focusing on ground attack completely. Even if you don’t shoot down any plane, it costs the enemy lots of resources and time which they would prefer to use in bombing missions.

 

[Solomon2]

That's the only part that matters...

Well, I think the bit where the DFM said, ""As long as there is no act of aggression being perpetrated by the United States against us, we will not respond again." matters, too.

 

[ShapurII]

According to Ukraine's MoD, Russia has fired 728 Shahed-136 drones last night.

And yet, the IRGC on average fired merely ~90 Shahed-136 drones during 12 days

 

[StrategicBear]

According to Ukraine's MoD, Russia has fired 728 Shahed-136 drones last night.

And yet, the IRGC on average fired merely ~90 Shahed-136 drones during 12 days

Russia's Industrial Power is greater than Iran's.

 

[Xerxes22]

According to Ukraine's MoD, Russia has fired 728 Shahed-136 drones last night.

And yet, the IRGC on average fired merely ~90 Shahed-136 drones during 12 days

Yes the use of drones was minimal. But the drones were being intercepted by multiple air forces and AD

 

[ShapurII]

Russia's Industrial Power is greater than Iran's.

Iran introduced Shahed-131 in 2015. We have had 10 years to mass-produce Shahed-131 and more than 3-4 years to mass produce Shahed-136. Shahed-131 was first used in Abqaiq attack in Saudi Arabia by Houthis. So, we've had plenty of time. It is reasonable to expect that Iran should have over 1 million such drones, but we apparently don't.

Yes the use of drones was minimal. But the drones were being intercepted by multiple air forces and AD

Yes, because we didn't fire enough drones to oversaturate the AD and scrambled jets. If we had fired 1,500 drones per day, I am sure at least 200-300 of them would've hit their targets in Israel. You can't just fire 90 drones per day to hit 1,300 km away from your borders and expect them to pass through all layers of AD and air forces.

I always thought that we at least had the upper hand in quantity. It turns out we don't.

 

[brazensword]

So what did I miss did Iran get some aircraft and work on some much required internal cleanup? Or are Generals still sleeping in known locations?

 

[Kyussis]

Iran introduced Shahed-131 in 2015. We have had 10 years to mass-produce Shahed-131 and more than 3-4 years to mass produce Shahed-136. Shahed-131 was first used in Abqaiq attack in Saudi Arabia by Houthis. So, we've had plenty of time. It is reasonable to expect that Iran should have over 1 million such drones, but we apparently don't.


Yes, because we didn't fire enough drones to oversaturate the AD and scrambled jets. If we had fired 1,500 drones per day, I am sure at least 200-300 of them would've hit their targets in Israel. You can't just fire 90 drones per day to hit 1,300 km away from your borders and expect them to pass through all layers of AD and air forces.

I always thought that we at least had the upper hand in quantity. It turns out we don't.

The price of the Shahed drone was said to be between $30,000-$50,000. lets say that Iran was actually producing them for $10,000. Do you think that Iran has spent $10,000,000,000 to produce Just Shahed drones alone? You are mistaking tactic with capability. Just because Iran did not use a large barrages of drones does not mean that Iran did not have the capability to do so. Iran was prepared for a long protracted war involving the U.S and friends. Iran was not going to deplete its inventory of drones and missiles in the short term and be left naked and defenseless.

 

[ShapurII]

The price of the Shahed drone was said to be between $30,000-$50,000. lets say that Iran was actually producing them for $10,000. Do you think that Iran has spent $10,000,000,000 to produce Just Shahed drones alone? You are mistaking tactic with capability. Just because Iran did not use a large barrages of drones does not mean that Iran did not have the capability to do so. Iran was prepared for a long protracted war involving the U.S and friends. Iran was not going to deplete its inventory of drones and missiles in the short term and be left naked and defenseless.

Sure. Why not? $10-$20 billion dollars is peanut for a country that has been in a covert war for years and has been constantly threatened to be bombed since 2003. How much do you think we have spent on our MRBMs and SRBMs?

Ukraine has produced over 1 million drones in less than 18 months and plans to produce 4 million drones in future.

The only way that Iran can win this war is to win in terms of quantity. And we have shown to be incapable of doing that so far. If we had fired 1,000 Shahed drones on average, we would've used only 12K drones. That would've been %1.2 of our inventory, not much really.

 

[Kyussis]

Sure. Why not? $10-$20 billion dollars is peanut for a country that has been in a covert war for years and has been constantly threatened to be bombed since 2003. How much do you think we have spent on our MRBMs and SRBMs?

Ukraine has produced over 1 million drones in less than 18 months and plans to produce 4 million drones in future.

The only way that Iran can win this war is to win in terms of quantity. And we have shown to be incapable of doing that so far. If we had fired 1,000 Shahed drones on average, we would've used only 12K drones. That would've been %1.2 of our inventory, not much really.

I don't see how you can compare Ukraine to Iran. Iran is under one of the most strict sanction regiments anywhere on earth while Ukraine is being supplied with money and weapons from all corners of the "western world" and beyond. Iran has one of the smallest defense budgets in all of West Asia, where would Iran have gotten tens of Billions of dollars for just one platform?

 

[Persian Gulf]

new copium strategy from IRI: claim the most ambitious and unrealistic possible outcome was the enemy's goal, and because they didn't achieve that specific goal it means they lost the war and we won! this means mere survival is equated with victory

so dont expect tactical military objectives like degrading enemy air power, this isn't their plan and they don't have coherent military tactics, just survival, that's why they don't fire many missiles and rush to a ceasefire as soon as possible

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Araghchi in September... aged well!

 

[ShapurII]

I don't see how you can compare Ukraine to Iran. Iran is under one of the most strict sanction regiments anywhere on earth while Ukraine is being supplied with money and weapons from all corners of the "western world" and beyond. Iran has one of the smallest defense budgets in all of West Asia, where would Iran have gotten tens of Billions of dollars for just one platform?

I have an idea. Maybe instead of wasting 50 billion dollars in the region to support a coward like Assad who ran way without even telling us, or a bunch of useless Arab militias, we should've built 3-4 million drones?