Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[nang2]

its china fault it IR-40 was not redesign and completed .
in jcpoa deal Iran was supposed to stop work on IR-40 original design and china was supposed to redesign IR_40 in a form that produce less Plutonium but till today they still didn't do that

Don't make it sound like China has an obligation to redesign it. A simple search found me two news pieces. Both were in 2016 and both were from Tehran Times with 1 month apart.

IR-40 redesign under discussion with China: Iran

TEHRAN – The spokesman of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran has said the redesign of the Arak heavy water reactor, aka IR-40, is fervently pursued through technical talks with China.

www.tehrantimes.com

China demanding too much for IR-40 redesign: Iran

TEHRAN – The spokesman of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran has said that China has demanded too much money if it is to redesign the Arak heavy water reactor (IR-40), Mehr reported on Wednesday.

www.tehrantimes.com

Nuclear technology is a strategic asset. Iran makes it sound like an ordinary commercial asset.

Overall, Iran gives me an impression of non-seriousness about their nuclear program at all. If Iran doesn't take it serious, why should anyone else? The reality shows us that pretty much everyone tries to steer clear from it.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Iran must also plot. Iran must also scheme.

Iran must work out what it wants to achieve if Israel attacks again. Iran must work out how it will achieve those goals and how long it will take to achieve those goals and have an actionable plan that it will work towards that specific goal. Iran should learn to continue to achieve that plan, even if Israel asks for a ceasefire, until its goals are achieved.

Iran needs to get out of this reactive cycle of tit-for-tat where Israel defines, executes and "achieves its goals" and Iran simply weakly retaliates and then promises "hell" if the Israeli's do something again.

Right now, Iran looks very weak, and ready for the picking as it has shown it is incapable of fighting a war at "any" level. There was once an image of Iran where it was the big bad wolf of the region that you dare not f--- around with. Iran's conduct of the war with Israel has clearly shown it is not the big bad wolf. At best, a baby 'pup'.

Iran has lost it deterrence because its stamina for war, it's capabilities for war, and it's repeated empty threats of war have proven to be very hollow. Iran needs to lean how to re-asset a deterrence against Israel and then how to execute that plan, no matter how loudly people cry for a ceasefire if Iran believes it has deterrence of substance and value that it wants to asset.

What this defense minister should be doing is working out how to reassert deterrence and actually imposing a cost on Israel where Iran is actually in control. Let's see if anything will come of it(I suspect not), or if they will just "trash talk again"(more likely).

 

[Hack-Hook]

Don't make it sound like China has an obligation to redesign it. A simple search found me two news pieces. Both were in 2016 and both were from Tehran Times with 1 month apart.

IR-40 redesign under discussion with China: Iran

TEHRAN – The spokesman of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran has said the redesign of the Arak heavy water reactor, aka IR-40, is fervently pursued through technical talks with China.

www.tehrantimes.com

China demanding too much for IR-40 redesign: Iran

TEHRAN – The spokesman of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran has said that China has demanded too much money if it is to redesign the Arak heavy water reactor (IR-40), Mehr reported on Wednesday.

www.tehrantimes.com

Nuclear technology is a strategic asset. Iran makes it sound like an ordinary commercial asset.

Overall, Iran gives me an impression of non-seriousness about their nuclear program at all. If Iran doesn't take it serious, why should anyone else? The reality shows us that pretty much everyone tries to steer clear from it.

it was part of the jcpoa deal

China didn't have any obligation to redesign it but after jcpoa the deal was Iran dismantle the core and China redesign it and then it be built by n
International partners such as China check Republic and Germany.
The redesign part didn't happened

 

[nang2]

Ran into an interesting piece on Iran nuclear program, China and Russia.

Tehran’s Ties With Beijing and Moscow

The Trump administration’s efforts to isolate Iran still face a major hurdle as China and Russia move to capitalize on the business opportunities emerging in the wake of European withdrawals. Understand the Russia Iran relationship and the Iran China relationship.

www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com

This is a site that is dedicated to dismantle nuclear Iran. Combined this piece and comments from Iranian members here, it appears China isn't satisfied by either side. I guess if China stayed out of it, Iran would have been regime changed long time ago. Maybe that is what most Iranians wanted anyway.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Mohajerani if it become necessary we increase military budget

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Becomes necessary? What would it take for then to believe it is necessary?

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[nang2]

it was part of the jcpoa deal

China didn't have any obligation to redesign it but after jcpoa the deal was Iran dismantle the core and China redesign it and then it be built by n
International partners such as China check Republic and Germany.
The redesign part didn't happened

Did JCPOA deal say the redesign has to be free?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Becomes necessary? What would it take for then to believe it is necessary?

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They already increased that in budget

 

[Hack-Hook]

Did JCPOA deal say the redesign has to be free?

Did iran asked anything for free ?
Does Iran owe China any money ?
What about China?

 

[Hack-Hook]

@ShapurII you can laugh but can to explain to us what part of what Mr. Zarif said was wrong.

@Mighty_Dragon_Strike didn't know your mastery of Persian language is to the extent that you understood what he say.

 

[tsunset]

Becomes necessary? What would it take for then to believe it is necessary?

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Whether Jewlani is a sellout foreign AQ dictator or not, i would never support assassinations from Israel, even if its aimed at Aliyev or MBS. But even if Jewlani is killed, Syria will do nothing in response besides signing in the Abraham accords, same for the other two. They are ready to commit suicide for the sake of Israel, even if Israel kills they whole family, they will sign -99.7% discounts on oil and gas as a response

 

[ShapurII]

@ShapurII you can laugh but can to explain to us what part of what Mr. Zarif said was wrong.

The pot calling the kettle black lol
Alizadeh is a journalist in London. What value does he have for foreign intelligence agencies? He's a nobody. He's not even in the IR system to begin with.
Zarif, on the other hand, does have value for foreign intelligence agencies.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The pot calling the kettle black lol
Alizadeh is a journalist in London. What value does he have for foreign intelligence agencies? He's a nobody. He's not even in the IR system to begin with.
Zarif, on the other hand, does have value for foreign intelligence agencies.

What value masih alinejad have for west , she is only a journalist in USA, she is not even part of the system


By the way why judiciary system won't act against Mr. Zarif if he is enemy agent.
He is here in tehran and he is not hidden

 

[nang2]

Did iran asked anything for free ?
Does Iran owe China any money ?
What about China?

So, when Iran didn't agree with the price offered by China, it is now China's fault? Doesn't that imply China should do it for free since that is the price almost nobody would reject?

 

[ShapurII]

What value masih alinejad have for west , she is only a journalist in USA, she is not even part of the system


By the way why judiciary system won't act against Mr. Zarif if he is enemy agent.
He is here in tehran and he is not hidden

She's a nobody too. Nobody says she's infiltrated the IR system.

Qajar-style corruption in the system. I'm not going to repeat things a million times for you to continue trolling, bro. I'm sure by now you know what I think about the West/East duality in the IR.

 

[ShapurII]

So, when Iran didn't agree with the price offered by China, it is now China's fault? Doesn't that imply China should do it for free since that is the price almost nobody would reject?

Fact #1: The IR-40 reactor did not need to be redesigned. Iran should've never accepted to redesign an almost complete reactor because of a concern (plutonium production) that could've been resolved through constant IAEA inspections.

Fact #2: China was under no obligation to help us redesign the IR-40 reactor. It was the US who was supposed to that in the JCPOA.

Fact #3: When the US pulled out of the JCPOA in 2018, China offered to redesign the IR-40 reactor to compensate for the US leaving the JCPOA. I don't know if China had issues over the price, but if the price was OK for the US, it should be OK for China as well, obviously.