Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

Is this true...??? Not the news, but that the Jews used demons.

Witchcraft and war: claims of Israeli sorcery draw scorn

A senior Tehran official has alleged Israel deployed the occult and supernatural spirits in its war with Iran, prompting widespread mockery and a renewed debate over the role of jinn in Iranian political discourse.

www.iranintl.com

Good God Almighty...

The whole Palestine issue is a religious one. All sides view things with their religious caps on.



Observe the above; rehearsal of a cow burning ceremony...in order to hasten the building of their temple. Cow burning ceremonies do seem demonic no?

Jews aside, Christian extremists want Israelis to ethnically clear that land as they believe Jesus, their man g-d, will return and whisk them away in rapture. Wonder if their g-d will return through a girls private parts this time? Or maybe seek an alternate route?

Their man g-d, will kill all the remaining Jews. What a great "friendship". Ted Cruz interview with Tucker was very telling...God wants him to support Israel...whatever Israel does is God's work, and JUSTIFIED. No matter how DEMONIC. Bring on the ARMAGEDDON. The rational mind should be more concerned with that if you ask me old boy.

 

[Hack-Hook]

But we do not have something comparable to the JCPOA since all of our civilian infrastructure above the ground has been obliterated. All we have now is +400 kg of 60% enriched uranium, and if we do give that up, what guarantee is there that they won't attack us even worse this time? or even try to invade Iran?

The IR-40 reactor was destroyed and never redesigned. It didn't need to be redesigned to begin with, they could've simply tasked the IAEA with the supervision over plutonium production there. It was supposed to be redesigned by the Americans. One should ask Zarif and Salehi why they thought the Americans would help us redesign it.

as i recall , its not important if the over ground facility get bombed .
just days before the attack Iran start to build another underground facility . have you forget that.

those underground facilities are worrisome for west and Israel not above the ground facilities and the fact that now IAEA is not inspecting them is something that make west worry
about Arak , it was a side project in jcpoa , the main part of the deal was limiting iran nuclear program and rebuilding that reactor the second time is easier than building it the first time

 

[ShapurII]

as i recall , its not important if the over ground facility get bombed .
just days before the attack Iran start to build another underground facility . have you forget that.

those underground facilities are worrisome for west and Israel not above the ground facilities and the fact that now IAEA is not inspecting them is something that make west worry
about Arak , it was a side project in jcpoa , the main part of the deal was limiting iran nuclear program and rebuilding that reactor the second time is easier than building it the first time

Only the underground facilities like the FEP, FFEP and PFEP, might have remained intact, but we did have a lot of critical components above the ground as well.

We don't know what has happened to our yellowcake (U3O8) production, uranium oxide (UO2) production, UF6 production, uranium metal conversion, deuterium production, fuel rods production, advanced centrifuge assembly, etc.

We know that critical parts of ICAC (Iran Centrifuge Assembly Center) had been moved underground after the Israeli FPV attack a couple of years ago, but the other components might very well be destroyed in the recent bombing of our facilities.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Only the underground facilities like the FEP, FFEP and PFEP, might have remained intact, but we did have a lot of critical components above the ground as well.

We don't know what has happened to our yellowcake (U3O8) production, uranium oxide (UO2) production, UF6 production, uranium metal conversion, deuterium production, fuel rods production, advanced centrifuge assembly, etc.

We know that critical parts of ICAC (Iran Centrifuge Assembly Center) had been moved underground after the Israeli FPV attack a couple of years ago, but the other components might very well be destroyed in the recent bombing of our facilities.

the knowledge is there , west knew that iran can restart the program fast if the don't reach a deal , as i said producing it a second time is far much easier than inventing the wheel the first time.
don't forget those component were not handed down to Iran , they were built here and can be built against . our industrial capability is intact .

 

[ShapurII]

the knowledge is there , west knew that iran can restart the program fast if the don't reach a deal , as i said producing it a second time is far much easier than inventing the wheel the first time.
don't forget those component were not handed down to Iran , they were built here and can be built against . our industrial capability is intact .

The knowledge isn't going to get you a deal.

 

[vizier]

Other than Ad - Airforce gaps for the next time Iran should build higher quantities of shaheed drones especially the ones that fly higher like 6000m. Launching shaheed at 50-100m altitude would do nothing they can be brought down with ease by kalashnikov or even a lucky handgun shot.

At 6000m drone swarm and zig - zag maneuver when close to target cannot be taken down by anti-air gun defense. They can only be taken down by expensive sams like patriot or air to air engagement that would keep enemy airforce occupied. Shaheeds are not stealthy to modern radars.

Some newer variants might have some stealth features like Shaheed 238 but they will be much more effective and less detectable flying to target at 6000m altitude than flying at 50-100m altitude at which they can be shot down very easily and cheaply.

How Dangerous Are Russia’s New Kamikaze Drone Jets?

It all comes down to economics. They may go five times faster, but they cost five times more.

www.popularmechanics.com

 

[Hack-Hook]

The knowledge isn't going to get you a deal.

No but knowledge that are building secret facilities that they don't knew what is happening inside them and you don't knew where they are help alot in getting a deal.
Diplomacy is a tool you must not discard it.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Other than Ad - Airforce gaps for the next time Iran should build higher quantities of shaheed drones especially the ones that fly higher like 6000m. Launching shaheed at 50-100m altitude would do nothing they can be brought down with ease by kalashnikov or even a lucky handgun shot.

At 6000m drone swarm and zig - zag maneuver when close to target cannot be taken down by anti-air gun defense. They can only be taken down by expensive sams like patriot or air to air engagement that would keep enemy airforce occupied. Shaheeds are not stealthy to modern radars.

Some newer variants might have some stealth features like Shaheed 238 but they will be much more effective and less detectable flying to target at 6000m altitude than flying at 50-100m altitude at which they can be shot down very easily and cheaply.

How Dangerous Are Russia’s New Kamikaze Drone Jets?

It all comes down to economics. They may go five times faster, but they cost five times more.

www.popularmechanics.com

Flight characteristics is important if they fly very high they don't look like birds to radars

 

[vizier]

Flight characteristics is important if they fly very high they don't look like birds to radars

They can be detected but hunting them down is still more expensive than flying low. It would deplete enemy ad and keep airforce occupied at above 5000m. Reaching them is not as easy as reaching 100m which is very easy and cheap.

They also know the drones are coming in advance and populate the area with cheap low altitude aa guns. At close ranges and altitudes like 100m they can be detected and targeted very easily flying above 180kms speed distinguished away from birds.

Altitude also adds extra range for ground radars to detect the object. Their performance will be lower at 6km altitude at the same range than flying low. That is for the newer shaheed 238 with jet engine and lower rcs. But even shaheed 136 can be good at 5km altitude staying away from aa guns. Only missiles can target them depleting the enemy defense. They can be seen but they cant be hit cheaply.

 

[ShapurII]

No but knowledge that are building secret facilities that they don't knew what is happening inside them and you don't knew where they are help alot in getting a deal.
Diplomacy is a tool you must not discard it.

Yes, but is this situation stable? Can we continue to run a covert nuclear program without the risk of war? If yes, for how long?

It seems that we never had a true contingency plan for this scenario. Of course, I remain foolishly optimistic as always, but most people assumed that Iran would pursue weaponization of its fissile material in a short time when attacked militarily. It hasn't happened so far unfortunately.

Diplomacy is like trading, it's not bad at all. Diplomacy is great and trading is obviously fun and good, but you need to give something to get something. We have to understand that the chance of a diplomatic solution at this point is extremely low because the other side is pushing for our surrender with minimum cost.

 

[retaxis]

Its partially china fault Iran get defeated so easily

China brought Iran and Saudi arabs together. If Saudi gulf arabs were still enemies, US would not attack Iran fearing its response to destroy Gulf arabs. But now that Iran and gulf arabs not enemies, US free to do what it likes to Iran

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes, but is this situation stable? Can we continue to run a covert nuclear program without the risk of war? If yes, for how long?

It seems that we never had a true contingency plan for this scenario. Of course, I remain foolishly optimistic as always, but most people assumed that Iran would pursue weaponization of its fissile material in a short time when attacked militarily. It hasn't happened so far unfortunately.

Diplomacy is like trading, it's not bad at all. Diplomacy is great and trading is obviously fun and good, but you need to give something to get something. We have to understand that the chance of a diplomatic solution at this point is extremely low because the other side is pushing for our surrender with minimum cost.

the other side was pushing for surrender since khatami time that the negotiation start . when they saw they cant achieve it they agreed on JCPOA

 

[Hack-Hook]

Its partially china fault Iran get defeated so easily

China brought Iran and Saudi arabs together. If Saudi gulf arabs were still enemies, US would not attack Iran fearing its response to destroy Gulf arabs. But now that Iran and gulf arabs not enemies, US free to do what it likes to Iran

its china fault it IR-40 was not redesign and completed .
in jcpoa deal Iran was supposed to stop work on IR-40 original design and china was supposed to redesign IR_40 in a form that produce less Plutonium but till today they still didn't do that

 

[Hack-Hook]

Mr. Zarif interview on infiltration

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[Hack-Hook]

Mohajerani if it become necessary we increase military budget

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