Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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[shapurzolaktaf]

You purposefully ignored my main point. The West and Israel are a package deal. Like it or not, it is what it is.
They're like a husband and a wife, where ironically the 4-feet wife completely dominates the husband. So, you can't make a deal with the husband when you have made it clear that you want to strangle the wife, does that make sense? Sure, the wife is a psychopathic manipulative murderer, but it is what it is. You don't need to be extremely polite to that bitch of a wife, but you need to ignore her and stop saying that you want to kill her.

You keep contradicting yourself. No amount of mental gymnastics is going to explain our inexplainable relations with Russia in recent years. If the IR doesn't have money for INSTC, then that contradicts your claim that we have common interests with Russia in that particular project. Do you see the contradiction?

Russia is also a pariah state. Just talk to Europeans and see how many of them absolutely hate the Russians. The closer you get to the east of Europe, the stronger this feeling gets. Even Slavs are not that fond of Russia. Russia even has committed genocide before. Off the top of my head, the Persian famine in World War I was caused by both the British and the Russians. About 2-8 million Iranians starved to death. They starved millions of Ukrainians in what is today known as the Holodomor during Stalin.

If I'm to choose between a genocidal state like Israel, which has committed genocide against Palestinians, and a genocidal state like Russia that has committed genocide against us Iranians, has stabbed us in the back even when we had good relations, and has annexed nearly one-third of our territory historically, I would pick Israel every f*cking time. So, again, find a better excuse to explain why it is halal to suck up to Russia, while it is haram to do the same for the US.

Also, Russia is not just not anti-Israel. It is in fact a pro-Israel state. The Jews have always been part of the oligarchy in Russia since the October revolution, if not before that. Putin himself said that Israel was almost a Russian-speaking country and their relations were based on mutual trust. IRGC generals say that Russia helped Israel bomb Syria. When do you want to wake up?

We will not make deals with a family (Us-rael) in which the wife (Israel) kills our children (scientists, citizens). Making deals to be bombed and killed is the position of Peshkelian, Rouhani, Zarif as of today.

We offered deals and negotiations with the husband (USA), but a family where the wife (Israel) decides the faith of what the husband (USA) does to other Men (Iran) is not stable. Other Men will distance themselves from such a weak and inpredictable man. Even ignoring Israel (the wife), they will come and hunt you.

I'm not contradicting myself, these are facts, Iran said they were short of funds, but the project continues. I'm complaining, not contradicting!
Ofcourse we have a lot of common interests, and ofcourse ZioWest hates connections and cooperation between BRICS and Global South.

Russia is not a Pariah state, they don't want NATO on their borders, just like how US does not want Russian or Chinese forces in Mexico or Cuba.

Russia is not Soviet Union and Putin is not Stalin, just like Germany is not Third Reich today and Al-Sudani of Iraq is not Saddam Hussein.

The famine was caused indirectly by many many different factors such as seasonal droughts, requisitioning and confiscation of foodstuffs by occupying armies, speculation, hoarding, war profiteering, and poor harvests., it was not a pre-set goal (like the holocaust), it was a consequences of many different factors, weak central government (qajars), invasion by 3 foreign armies, and many other factors, among them the global Spanish Flu which killed 20-50 million people in few years. The final death toll in Iran is still not clear.

News flash: Todays Russia occupies not more than 1 % of former Iranian lands of Qajar era (the portion of Dagestan).

If you crave for the bigger portion of lost lands (Turkmenistan, Azerbayjan, Armenia, Georgia), Russia does not own or occupy them anymore as of today and the Tsars are no more, the Bolsheviks killed them.

So instead of being mad at Russia, direct your "nationalist energy" towards bringing Armenia and Georgia to us and containing Baku, which should become part of Iran again if they cross red lines by inviting Israel to harm us.

And I don't know why you don't get it that we tried more that 3 times to restart ties with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian) by allowing them to invest trillions in Iran. I don't know in which other way we could make it more clear to them. Even the leader said I don't mind negotiations and trade. What more you want? to literally bend over?

That Russia and West is full of Zionist Oligarch is not a surprise, tell us something new. But in Russia they don't have free reign like in the west. Many Jewish-origin oligarchs who were politically independent or opposed Putin were neutralized through legal, financial, or political pressure, not direct assassination. If they had free hand in Russia as well, Russia woud sanction us (maximum pressure) and bomb us and kill our scientists and invite clown pahlavi to Moscow.

That Russia has no common interests with Iran when it comes to Israel or as you mentioned Syria (where they partly had common interests), is already known, but we do have many common interests in other places such as Caspian, Caucasus, Central Asia and we are both members of formats/blocks such as SCO, BRICS and Iran works closely with Eurasian Union (observer status in Eurasian Economic Union). We do have both common interests in multi-polarism and new world order. We do have both common interests in rise of east and Asia.

Now you confuse my realistic, objective, pragmatic view as "sucking up to Russia", but you consider hating on Russia, a neighbour connected through Caspian Sea, and begging USA for ties and getting bombed by them, a direction which we should follow?

This is what I only expect from gamblers and those gambling on man-child pahlavi, who married his daughter to an Israeli, to create a future Israeli king ruling over Iranians. But as Faramarz Dadras says, we have only 1 king and that's Burger-King, not loser and defeated slave Pahlavi.

 

[tman786]

 

[Bharatah]

 

[Fatman17]

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D: Jun 14

N: Israeli Air Force

T: IAI Eitan (Heron TP)

During the initial Israeli air strikes on Iran, local media footage showed debris from this UAV, which had been destroyed in a crash near Buin Zahra, Iran. It had reportedly been downed by Israeli air defences.

D: Jun 15

N: Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force

T: Boeing 707-3J9C tanker

This tanker aircraft was destroyed during an Israeli Air Force attack on Mashhad International Airport as part of Operation Rising Lion. It was initially reported to be KC-747 (747-131SF) tanker 5-8107 (see Attrition, AFM, August, p97) but later satellite imagery confirmed that it was a 707 that was destroyed.

D: Jun 19

N: Israeli Air Force

T: 2 x IAI Heron TP Eitan UAVs

S: 298 plus one other

Updating the report of the shootdown of these UAVs over western Iran (see Attrition, AFM, August p97), Iranian media later said that one of them was shot down near the Iranian border with Iraq by the Majid short-range air defence system and photos of the wreckage showed serial no 298.

 

[Fatman17]

N: Israeli Air Force

T: IAI Eitan (Heron TP)

S: 248

Wreckage of this UAV was found on this date in the mountains of Sefidkouh close to Khorramabad, Lorestan Province, Iran. It is thought likely that it had been destroyed by being shot down at an unknown date earlier in the Iranian-Israeli conflict which had begun on June 13 and ended on June 24.

 

[Fatman17]

Wreckage of Israeli Air Force IAI Eitan 298 which was shot down on June 19.

 

[Persian Gulf]

reformists have proposed temporary suspension of enrichment in Iran to make a deal to relieve the economy and unite people

they are coming under pressure from other factions for that

honestly, they are right. the cost of maintaining enrichment for the sake of enrichment with a religious edict not to build a nuclear bomb is not worth it.

 

[Hack-Hook]

reformists have proposed temporary suspension of enrichment in Iran to make a deal to relieve the economy and unite people

they are coming under pressure from other factions for that

honestly, they are right. the cost of maintaining enrichment for the sake of enrichment with a religious edict not to build a nuclear bomb is not worth it.

reformist asked other groups if they have a solution they announce it.
there no other solution proposed yet

 

[Persian Gulf]

reformist asked other groups if they have a solution they announce it.
there no other solution proposed yet

status quo is not working that is obvious

either you go for nukes and pay the price or you give up and develop in other ways. you can't go half way and suffer the costs for none of the benefits

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

1. why shouldnt I question, the narrative spread by the entity media of fewer missiles actually hitting the target?
2. When IR can hit, a dual purpose site (which wasnt even the declared military site, let alone bunker), what stops IR from hitting their military bases?!!!
3. IR showed heavy restraint, question is why?!!!

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

reformists have proposed temporary suspension of enrichment in Iran to make a deal to relieve the economy and unite people

they are coming under pressure from other factions for that

honestly, they are right. the cost of maintaining enrichment for the sake of enrichment with a religious edict not to build a nuclear bomb is not worth it.

The cost of giving up on nuclear program might increase... If military force works against Iran, they will demand more soon, by increasing sanctions and pressure and threatening more military strikes.
Missile program? Space program? what will be next?

These foolish defeatist "reformist" oligarchs (traitors) want to destroy Iran from inside. They're very very nasty, coupling political reforms to denuclearization and demilitarization. They want to hijack the idea of political reform.

Libya model was the goal of Netanyahu and zionists, it still is and with bunch of mossadist politicians in Iran waging soft war from inside, the zionists will be emboldened.

It's outragious that they're giving such irresponsible and dangerous signals to the zionists (giving up on international recognized rights under NPT while zionists have nuclear weapons).

 

[Hack-Hook]

The cost of giving up on nuclear program might increase... If military force works against Iran, they will demand more soon, by increasing sanctions and pressure and threatening more military strikes.
Missile program? Space program? what will be next?

These foolish defeatist "reformist" oligarchs (traitors) want to destroy Iran from inside. They're very very nasty, coupling political reforms to denuclearization and demilitarization. They want to hijack the idea of political reform.

Libya model was the goal of Netanyahu and zionists, it still is and with bunch of mossadist politicians in Iran waging soft war from inside, the zionists will be emboldened.

It's outragious that they're giving such irresponsible and dangerous signals to the zionists (giving up on international recognized rights under NPT while zionists have nuclear weapons).

offers us your model

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

offers us your model

Put Zarif in jail (for treason by accepting snapback mechanism), execute Rouhani and some other (reformist) oligarchs. This gives signal that other traitors might follow. Just like how politicians in Russia commit "suicide" or "jump" from buildings or poison them.

Allow non-islamist nationalist parties to participate in elections, by reforming guardian council and constitution. This way the Israeli-zionist game of Regime VS people will come to an end. The nagging of reformist traitors will also come to an end.

Unite the people around the government. If they activate the snapback mechanism, then either go for buying nuclear weapons from North Korea or create nucleair weapons in secret or enrich uranium there by investing in their nucleair infrastructure (proxy nucleair program).

If war happens destroy all energy infrastructure in the region and start a costly war to bankrupt Europe and GCC. Tell China and Russia we've no choice if you guys don't support us, this is what it is. We go down all together.

Now you can say yeah this is all so unrealistic, fantasy blabla. I would rather start a defensive adventure than becoming the next Libya or Iraq.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Commander of Iran’s Khatam al-Anbiya Central HQ: Armed forces are at full readiness, closely monitoring any enemy movements. If the enemy repeats its first mistake, it will face a response more crushing than the first. Enemy will be stunned by our defense capabilities.

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did they explain how they didn't detect > 100 fighter jets leave Israel and travel through Iraq yet even though heavy fighter jet activity in Iraq was openly reported on twitter at least 20 minutes before any attacks happened in Iran? @Hack-Hook