Iran Pakistan Relationship / News

[SaadH]

1.Tehran seeks inclusion in the emerging KSA-Pakistan defence framework.
2.Joint border-management mechanism agreed.
3. Killing BLA/BRAs in Iran
4.Shared view: Afghanistan needs a regime change or a workable internal reset.
5.Pakistan given access to Chabahar region to monitor Indian activity.
6. Assurance that Chabahar won’t be used to aid Afghan Taliban or undermine Pakistan’s interests.”

Sure, GHQ jameder doing multiple daily prostrations in the direction of the holy pentagon will willingly invite their mai baaps' ire by letting Iranians into their little paper defense alliance thereby directly challenging the same mai baaps ability to strike and wage attacks on Iran.

 

[Toxic]

Sure, GHQ jameder doing multiple daily prostrations in the direction of the holy pentagon will willingly invite their mai baaps' ire by letting Iranians into their little paper defense alliance thereby directly challenging the same mai baaps ability to strike and wage attacks on Iran.

Tbf the current PAK-US diplomatic revival is purely an economic one for now that isn't really any different then Iranians have been doing with India.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

So we showed middle finger to Iran during the gas pipeline deal after they have completed their pipe and somewhat people are pissed that they had gone cold and warmedup with the Indians and now they are getting warm to us again but still it is their fault

 

[krash]

They don't have a choice, Israel are breathing down their necks.

We know they have used Pakistanis for their proxy wars and turned a blind eye to BLA in the hope they would collapse Pakistan through collaboration with India.

Pakistan forgiving and merciful as always.

The Iranian and Saudi sectarian proxy war was a shortsighted play of immature governments looking to extend their geopolitical reach beyond their means. Analogues to TTA's play.

The distrust between us has been primarily driven by internal Iranian machinations, leveraged on sectarian foolishness and aggravated by their unsubstantiated fears of our relations with the Saudis and Americans. Maybe the recent episode has made it a little more clear for them. We have no real conflicts of interest and both will be better served by a more amicable other. We should welcome it...cautiously, as all geopolitics goes.

We have a choice, for example recognizing Israel and delivering arms and support to them, like sunni states.

The horse ran away form under you. Better you climb down and re-evaluate your position.

So we showed middle finger to Iran during the gas pipeline deal after they have completed their pipe and somewhat people are pissed that they had gone cold and warmedup with the Indians and now they are getting warm to us again but still it is their fault

Missing a few decades before that of sectarian violence in Pakistan supported by the Iranians and Saudis on opposite sides. Time to read history and also why the pipeline didn't go through.

 

[Oscar]

Please keep in mind a cheque is only as good as the bank upon which it is drawn.

Or they can write a handwritten IOU when you go to withdraw.

 

[Meengla]

So we showed middle finger to Iran during the gas pipeline deal after they have completed their pipe and somewhat people are pissed that they had gone cold and warmedup with the Indians and now they are getting warm to us again but still it is their fault

It was Zardari govt's stupid idea to think Americans were going to ignore the Iran-Pakistan pipeline. When Americans did not ignore, Pakistan had no choice but to back off.
People here sometimes forget economic dependence Pakistan has in America/allies and GCC/allies. But I don't think Pakistanis are blaming Iran for the anything now and vice versa--on the contrary.
Change is the only Constant. I don't dwell too much in the past and that makes me less of a cynic then many here. I keep connecting the dots... and keep refining my understanding of the world based on the new Scatter Charts. And so on...

 

[VCheng]

Or they can write a handwritten IOU when you go to withdraw.

Only if they are still trying to be nice at that point.

Or they can fire a missile or three, again.

 

[Master Chief]

While trump let Israelis kill 100s of Iranians, FM and co were nominating Trump for NP.
What a stand for Iran .
These are diplomatic gymnastics.Both sides issue these salty statements to maintain the status quo.

Didn't expect such an amateurish interpretation of political nuance from you.

 

[KingQamaR]

Is another Israeli attack looming for
Iranian President visit to Pakistan to mend and offer us better relations.

 

[Distant_Observer]

We have a choice, for example recognizing Israel and delivering arms and support to them, like sunni states.

We damn well know this has nothing to do with Israel and its takeover of Palestine because Iran has had no issues with India and its oppression on Kashmir and its Muslims.

In fact Iran voted in the UN for India in the 90s.

Iran was trying to surround Saudi Arabia. Syria, Lebanon, Yemem and attempt on Iraq. They were trying to encircle Saudi Arabia with its proxies.

If Israel didn't challenge this then Iran would never have bothered with Israel and continued to give lip service about Palestinians.

 

[Oscar]

Only if they are still trying to be nice at that point.

Or they can fire a missile or three, again.

It depends on who they have finally calling the shots. The rather simplistic assumption is that regardless of rational or irrational - regimes built on religious themes are working on the common "political religious" theme as their main motivation when it is usually far from the truth. I forget how many times I stated this but at the end you could have had a pastafarian revolution in Iran with the flying spaghetti monster and yet they would still be focused on proxies and extending their influence net. Moreover, because of the initialization of the IRGC as a separate force with separate command structures, Iran really does have an issue at times of the right hand not knowing what the left is up to.

It's the frikkin Persian empire - one of the original world powers - not going to lose that characteristic that easy. For that matter the relationship with Pakistan eased because they realized when Israeli F-35s were flying 100km from Tehran they need to pipe down and save their assets so you had their entire transport fleet parked half at Quetta and Karachi along with other critical equipment while "show of force" cover was provided to ensure those assets being chased down by the IDF would not violate Pakistan airspace. to the extent that Pakistan had to send certain messages saying it was only going to ensure safety of "civilian" assets seeking refuge and did not want to be dragged into this conflict.

The Iranians have every reason to be humble & contrite at this point because they realized they had no other neighbor even willing to discuss this. But to consider it long lasting genuineness is to consider Pakistan's overtures to trump or vice versa or any international relationship genuine. It's transactional in ways most people never look into, transactions that go well beyond just monetary or physical material but words and commitments.

Put on one of my favorite movies yesterday - Redford and Pitt's "Spy Game" - the movie may seem far fetched and fictional - but the idea that a senior or group of senior operatives in an intelligence agency(or bureaucracy or cabinet or anything else) can run their own parallel operations for personal reasons isn't far from reality.

 

[VCheng]

It depends on who they have finally calling the shots. The rather simplistic assumption is that regardless of rational or irrational - regimes built on religious themes are working on the common "political religious" theme as their main motivation when it is usually far from the truth. I forget how many times I stated this but at the end you could have had a pastafarian revolution in Iran with the flying spaghetti monster and yet they would still be focused on proxies and extending their influence net. Moreover, because of the initialization of the IRGC as a separate force with separate command structures, Iran really does have an issue at times of the right hand not knowing what the left is up to.

It's the frikkin Persian empire - one of the original world powers - not going to lose that characteristic that easy. For that matter the relationship with Pakistan eased because they realized when Israeli F-35s were flying 100km from Tehran they need to pipe down and save their assets so you had their entire transport fleet parked half at Quetta and Karachi along with other critical equipment while "show of force" cover was provided to ensure those assets being chased down by the IDF would not violate Pakistan airspace. to the extent that Pakistan had to send certain messages saying it was only going to ensure safety of "civilian" assets seeking refuge and did not want to be dragged into this conflict.

The Iranians have every reason to be humble & contrite at this point because they realized they had no other neighbor even willing to discuss this. But to consider it long lasting genuineness is to consider Pakistan's overtures to trump or vice versa or any international relationship genuine. It's transactional in ways most people never look into, transactions that go well beyond just monetary or physical material but words and commitments.

Put on one of my favorite movies yesterday - Redford and Pitt's "Spy Game" - the movie may seem far fetched and fictional - but the idea that a senior or group of senior operatives in an intelligence agency(or bureaucracy or cabinet or anything else) can run their own parallel operations for personal reasons isn't far from reality.

A great post, but about a topic I try to stay well clear of, given the policies of this forum. You have said many things worthy of thought and debate, but sadly, that has to remain in check from my side.

Suffice to say that Iran continues to write checks it cannot cash. It can end only one way.

(That is a great movie, right up to the last scene!)

 

[muhammed45]

@Musings

Please go through the comments of that British iser, distant_observer, in this thread, already busy with destroying the goal of this positive event.

I always wonder why you Pakistanis allow foreigners to speak for you.

Whenever something positive comes out certain elements come and ruin it.

One of them, i well discovered that bastard. Take a look into this


In the Egyptian air defense systems thread. Look at the writing of Hamas word. He has used Jewish spelling and ironically he was one of those so called Sunni warriors. There was a time when ignorant elements from amongst Pakistanis lined behind him and insulted Iranians. You can see deleted comments i guess. His nickname was Ziaulislam. From the old forum.

Don't make us hopeless, allowing foreigners to speak for Pakistanis freely without consequence of their bad intentions, is very harmful.

Btw, Iran will apparently allow Pakistani ships and traders to use south-north corridor. Which is a very strategic move, will already cause major shifts.

I guess the real Pakistanis are aware that such a move will help Gwadar port to stabilise its own strategic role.

I consider it as a huge favor for Pakistanis.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

We damn well know this has nothing to do with Israel and its takeover of Palestine because Iran has had no issues with India and its oppression on Kashmir and its Muslims.

In fact Iran voted in the UN for India in the 90s.

Iran was trying to surround Saudi Arabia. Syria, Lebanon, Yemem and attempt on Iraq. They were trying to encircle Saudi Arabia with its proxies.

If Israel didn't challenge this then Iran would never have bothered with Israel and continued to give lip service about Palestinians.

Lip service? almost all weapons, missiles or anything fired upon Israel came through Iran or Iranian allies.
Iran fought against western impersialism, that's the ideology of Iran. GCC, Jordan is legacy of British impersialism (Hence they commited genocide in Yemen and stopped Iranian missiles from reaching Israel). And now Syria and slowly Lebanon (which you mentioned) are becoming US projects. Israel is the cancer planted in west asia to disrupt, occupy and kill. If sunni Arabs are ok with that (especially GCC, Jordan), let them handle it. Why should Iran suffer for arab sunnis?

 

[muhammed45]

Lip service? almost all weapons, missiles or anything fired upon Israel came through Iran or Iranian allies.
Iran fought against western impersialism, that's the ideology of Iran. GCC, Jordan is legacy of British impersialism (Hence they commited genocide in Yemen and stopped Iranian missiles from reaching Israel). And now Syria and slowly Lebanon (which you mentioned) are becoming US projects. Israel is the cancer planted in west asia to disrupt, occupy and kill. If sunni Arabs are ok with that (especially GCC, Jordan), let them handle it. Why should Iran suffer for arab sunnis?

What is the problem with supporting oppressed Sunni Muslims?

I haven't forgotten when you unfairly insulted the Sunni caliphs for no reason and interestingly you did it when ISIS attack on Syria was at its peak point. Why?

An other blunder from Pakistani moderators and the so called Iranian moderator is giving people like you the space to speak.