Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[Pakistanithinktank]

What choice Iran has? Russia was not even as a supplier before Ukraine war.
The only way out is to get some J-10E, HQ-9B, HQ-16, HQ-19, AWAC, ground base radars, and allowed to use satellites network. If funding is available, a few type 054A/B or type 052D can reduce being attacked from sea

That’s the best and most reliable option

 

[ST1976]

Good decision if true.

@Persian Gulf

I would recon Iran to buy Mig29 of Mig29k standard of Indian IAC standard, as compared to go for any of Su35 or J10......

Mig29k are fit in comparison to F52 standard and are of low priced, with already having training and other infrastructure in Iran

 

[muhammed45]

Stop talking nonsense, you talking J 10C and up. Why dont you get quality weapons from some other good suppliers, you despise Chinese products so much, why you want them anyways. Chkna has the right to decide who to sell its weapons, period.

That guy you are talking to is a Zionist.

 

[zzw001]

@Persian Gulf

I would recon Iran to buy Mig29 of Mig29k standard of Indian IAC standard, as compared to go for any of Su35 or J10......

Mig29k are fit in comparison to F52 standard and are of low priced, with already having training and other infrastructure in Iran

Indian Migs and Sukhois are heavily modified with western (especially Israeli) avionics and electronics. I am pretty sure that Israel will not allow India / Russia to pass on their tech to Iran.

Even if Israel allowed such exports, will Iran trust platforms heavily modified with Israeli components?

 

[vizier]

J10C may be fine but Jf 17 in higher numbers would be a good mix. Jf 17 can include some code customisation option as well like israeli f16 sufa . Iran can install domestic ew and similar pods. Forgetting about Su 35 is a good idea as Russia is in active warfare now they need all the equipment themselves. Also putin is not trustable either. Ccp contains many high power figures and one man for example Xijinping does not hold all power unlike Russia. This makes the country more reliable supplier representing the countrys interests more.

Large awacs is an easy target if you dont have a huge area like Russia or high air control capability like israel. E2-hawkeye variants like KJ-600 can possibly use grass-unpaved runways and can be hidden from spy satellites easier. They need to fly to other runways several times a day ofcourse eventually spy sats detect those runways and can attack them if the planes are still there.

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The problem with mountain airbases is the gates can be collapsed just like the bm mountain bases of Iran in recent israeli attacks. Also bombs can be dropped from ventilation shafts like the Fordow. Extra emergency tunnels and runways need to be made inside mountain bases that are closed from outside and can be exploded open when necessary with small amount of work. They can also use camouflaged emergency exits to not to be detected by spy sats but this is difficult gate construction sites are detected from outside by spy satellites. Ventilation shafts can be zig zag shaped, tungsten mesh can be installed in some parts like closer to exit. Some parts in ventilation shafts can contain triggered booby trap explosives to damage bunker buster bombs as they enter.

Also everyone should have indigeneous loyal wingman copy concept. They can be used in a2a mode and not too expensive to produce. Supersonic and high turn rate is not necessary if you dont enter dogfight. Even some nlos wvr capability can be added potentially that dont require direct line of sight of the target and dont require high turn rate.

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[Ali_Baba]

Let us say Iran bought 10 J-10 from China. Unfortunately, tension between Iran and Israel is still high. Since Israel already rule Iranian sovereign airspace, if Israel destroy just two out of those 10, does Iran still have an air force? Who is going to fly the rest?

Bottom line is this, China will not sell any jet unless somehow Iran is allowed by outside powers to have an air force. There is no point in selling if some day in the future, a Chinese made Iranian J-10 is shot down or destroyed on the ground and the video is all over the internet.

Israel was able to successfully on day #1, take out a large number of AD components before those AD components could become active through drones, special commando raids and spike missiles, local mossad agents. What Israel did was a sneak attack, a bit like Peal Harbour was and caught the Iranians off guard. The amount of damage done by DEAD operations done by the IAF at the outset was small compared to what was done on the outset through its special operations and for now, that has left a hole in Iran's defence coverage. Iran will work with suppliers to procure replacements, be that local or overseas.

The premise that Iran cannot reconstitute her AD is absurd. She will.

China will do what is in China's strategic interest, it does not need permission from the USA, or anyone else. If it is in Chinas interest to help Iran, they will do it, if not, then they wont do it, it is their calculus.

Iran can and will be able to reconstitute both her air force, and repair her AD network. That work is happening right now, and will carry on. Rebuilding her air force will take time but they have the basics all there, what they lack is modern technology which they will need to purchase from overseas. The status quo does not need to stand simply because that is how it is 'now'.

While Israel was able to achieve air superiority over parts of Iran, Israel cannot conduct, or sustain her operations over Iran for a sustained period of time without the help of the USAF/RAF/German Airforce to provide air to air refuelling capabilities. Iran will need to make some serious decisions on how to counter that particular logistics chain that supported operations over Syria/Jordan/Iraq and into Iran if war is imposed on Iran again.

Israel's may well try and take another shot at Iran, but the element of surprise is gone, her local network of Mossad agents are being dismantled, and all the infra that was put in place for day#1 operations is being taken apart. Iran has real problems to fix for sure, but they will fix them, they are a large country with resources. Israel's problem right now is that her superiority window is getting smaller and smaller with time as Iran repairs and reconstitutes what she lost during the initial round.

Ask yourself, with all the advantages that Israel had, why did it have to get the Americans to try and put a ceasefire in place? Why couldn't Israel continue the fight?

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Israel was able to successfully on day #1, take out a large number of AD components before those AD components could become active through drones, special commando raids and spike missiles, local mossad agents. What Israel did was a sneak attack, a bit like Peal Harbour was and caught the Iranians off guard. The amount of damage done by DEAD operations done by the IAF at the outset was small compared to what was done on the outset through its special operations and for now, that has left a hole in Iran's defence coverage. Iran will work with suppliers to procure replacements, be that local or overseas. The premise that Iran cannot reconstitute her AD is absurd. She will.

China will do what is in China's strategic interest, it does not need permission from the USA, or anyone else. If it is in Chinas interest to help Iran, they will do it, if not, then they wont do it, it is their calculus.

Iran can and will be able to reconstitute both her air force, and repair her AD network. That work is happening right now, and will carry on. The status quo does not need to stand simply because that is how it is 'now'.

While Israel was able to achieve air superiority over parts of Iran, Israel cannot conduct, or sustain her operations over Iran for a sustained period of time without the help of the USAF/RAF/German Airforce to provide air to air refuelling capabilities. Iran will need to make some serious decisions on how to counter that particular logistics chain that supported operations over Syria/Jordan/Iraq and into Iran if war is imposed on Iran again.

Israel's may well try and take another shot at Iran, but the element of surprise is gone, her local network of Mossad agents are being dismantled, and all the infra that was put in place for day#1 operations is being taken apart. Iran has real problems to fix for sure, but they will fix them, they are a large country with resources. Israel's problem right now is that her superiority window is getting smaller and smaller with time as Iran repairs and reconstitutes what she lost during the initial round.

Ask yourself, with all the advantages that Israel had, why did it have to get the Americans to try and put a ceasefire in place? Why couldn't Israel continue the fight?

Even the JF-17 outperforms the MiG-29 in many aspects. But it’s not just about having J-10Cs, what really matters is the whole package: AWACS, air defense systems, ground-based radars, and satellite feeds all working together in what’s called a multi-dome setup. With that kind of network in place, Iran can actually secure its key assets. If they go for the J-10C and somehow manage to get the Su-57 from Russia and integrate everything properly, they could build a credible defensive shield.

Iran needs to sign defence pack with Russia.

 

[Viet]

I don't know, their military and gov are badly infiltrated by Israeli spies. If China sell these valuable Chinese weapons to them, Israel probably going to get the secrets and the weapons will be compromised or even blown up by the agents, that's no good for Chinese military in any way. The question is Iran a trustable military partner for China ?

why make thing difficult?
usually should be only 2 conditions
does the sale harm China’s strategic interest?
or harm any vital military secrets?
if the answer is no then ok.
don’t make thing like the Japanese do.
they require Vietnam to scrap communism before military sale.
what has communism to do with warships or planes?
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you seriously should not ask Iran to do irrelevant this and that as conditions.

 

[ety]

why make thing difficult?
usually should be only 2 conditions
does the sale harm China’s strategic interest?
or harm any vital military secrets?
if the answer is no then ok.
don’t make thing like the Japanese do.
they require Vietnam to scrap communism before military sale.
what has communism to do with warships or planes?
0
you seriously should not ask Iran to do irrelevant this and that as conditions.

You are looking at J 10C and up, the whole air force system, and Chinese military support later. If the secrets of Chinese weapons are likely going to get compromised and end up in Israeli hands, then probably is not in China's interest. Plus, Iran and China are not that close and don't really trust each other, China is not a strategic partner of Iran, Russia is the foremost one followed by India. As an example, China initiated and signed a 25 years economic deal with Iran worth $400 billions, but Iran is not committed and has stalled the the progress of the projects. But, China doesn't want to see Iran fall and ends up pro-US. It will be a tough call for Chinese gov and PLA.

 

[tsunset]

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If it's true then i hope Iran gets the full systems

HQ-22+HQ-16+HQ9/19+J-10CE+KJ-500

 

[MH.Yang]

why make thing difficult?
usually should be only 2 conditions
does the sale harm China’s strategic interest?
or harm any vital military secrets?
if the answer is no then ok.
don’t make thing like the Japanese do.
they require Vietnam to scrap communism before military sale.
what has communism to do with warships or planes?
0
you seriously should not ask Iran to do irrelevant this and that as conditions.

Let me make a comparison and you'll see what we're worried about.

North Korea and Iran both gave Russia military aid, so what did they each get from Russia?

North Korea:
1, received technical assistance, satellite technology, missile technology, shipbuilding technology, drone technology have significantly improved;
2, thousands of containers of last century's nearly obsolete artillery shells, exchanged for foreign currency (Western media estimates that at least 20 billion euros sold).
3, the United Nations military sanctions against North Korea in name only. The sanctions have not affected North Korea's military trade with the permanent members, and then will not do so again in the future.
4, North Korea and Russia have formalized their military alliance. Add to that the defense treaty that North Korea and China signed in 1962. It now has the covenant of two military powers.

And what about Iran?
Sold some drones, which led to additional EU and US sanctions. And then what? No more then, nothing. Iran got scared and backed down from selling. So Iran got nothing but more sanctions.

This is the most important reason why China doesn't trust Iran. This country is always full of political uncertainty and lacks the courage to stay the course in everything it does.

If Iran wants to have good relations with the West, it should not aid Russia, and it should even voluntarily betray Russia with its increased oil production.
If Iran wants to be hostile to Europe and the US, it should insist on aiding Russia. As long as it insists on aiding Russia, air defense equipment will be available, satellites will be available, nuclear protection will be available, foreign exchange will be available, and even the KGB will assist you in catching Mossad.

But Iran chose the worst route. Eventually we see Iranians on X complaining that Russia has abandoned Iran.

This Iran treats China the same way. Either Iran don't choose China or you completely honor your cooperation agreement with China. But what Iran did was to sign a cooperation agreement with China, but halfway through it gave India the most important port in the agreement.

 

[ShapurII]

And what about Iran?
Sold some drones, which led to additional EU and US sanctions. And then what? No more then, nothing. Iran got scared and backed down from selling. So Iran got nothing but more sanctions.

This is the most important reason why China doesn't trust Iran. This country is always full of political uncertainty and lacks the courage to stay the course in everything it does.

If Iran wants to have good relations with the West, it should not aid Russia, and it should even voluntarily betray Russia with its increased oil production.
If Iran wants to be hostile to Europe and the US, it should insist on aiding Russia. As long as it insists on aiding Russia, air defense equipment will be available, satellites will be available, nuclear protection will be available, foreign exchange will be available, and even the KGB will assist you in catching Mossad.

That's such a simplistic view of politics and foreign affairs lol

Iran didn't aid Russia more because Russia failed, and continues to fail, to deliver Sukhoi-35s to Iran. Why should Iran aid Russia when Russia doesn't return the favor?

KGB? lol There's no KGB anymore. The Russian security apparatus couldn't even assist Russia in detecting the Ukrainian drone attack, losing tens of their strategic bombers in a single day lol Give me a break

Stop talking about things you are clueless about. The rest of your post is also based on completely wrong info as well. You don't even know the timeline of most of these developments to begin with.

 

[That_Guy]

You do realize that reddit is by far the most ridiculous place to discuss/learn about Iranian affairs, right? Reddit is by far the most left-leaning medium you can find. It's like you want to find out about the American society by looking at what people on reddit say.

If things were as reddit shows they are, Kamala Harris had won the presidential race with +400 electoral votes and 90% of the popular vote.

Being left-leaning doesn't mean they're wrong.

Also, during the elections, most of reddit was saying that Trump was gonna win.

FYI, it's the right-leaning mediums that don't know anything about Iran, and want war.

 

[mulj]

@Persian Gulf

I would recon Iran to buy Mig29 of Mig29k standard of Indian IAC standard, as compared to go for any of Su35 or J10......

Mig29k are fit in comparison to F52 standard and are of low priced, with already having training and other infrastructure in Iran

This is sane proposal but just in case that there is 250-300 airframes available right now for purchasing and retrofitting starting from moment of purchase.

 

[mulj]

Even the JF-17 outperforms the MiG-29 in many aspects. But it’s not just about having J-10Cs, what really matters is the whole package: AWACS, air defense systems, ground-based radars, and satellite feeds all working together in what’s called a multi-dome setup. With that kind of network in place, Iran can actually secure its key assets. If they go for the J-10C and somehow manage to get the Su-57 from Russia and integrate everything properly, they could build a credible defensive shield.

Iran needs to sign defence pack with Russia.

That would be huge blunder for little or no tech gains.