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Iran has never shown the Mesbah in operation or in an exercise. It is barely ever talked about. It seems like a parade toy at this point. It seems their AAA artillery primarily consists of manned ZU23 and 35mm oerlikon. Iran should consider developing something similar to China's LD-2000 for land CIWS. They already have the KAMAND CIWS naval. They also need to work on more digitized, automated, and modern versions of the ZU23 and Oerlikon 35mm (Samavat). Look at how Poland modernized the ZU23 to the:

ZUR-23-2SP Jodek 23mm.​

"This artillery system is now electrically powered in elevation and traverse to allow faster engagement of air targets. it is also fitted with new sighting system, TV Camera , cooled thermal camera and laser range finder. This upgrade package automates the aiming of the weapons, allows targets to be engaged under day and night conditions and gives a higher kill probability against faster targets."
This version also only needs one person operator instead of two!
False! They used it during exercises, and it's far from a toy because it's supported by radar and optical systems. For me, Mesbah is an important and effective artillery system. If I were in charge of the army, I would have thousands of them produced.

It's highly likely that the army has in its possession an artillery system similar to the Pantsir or an Iranian version of the C-RAM, which has not yet been revealed.
 
I hope Iran continues to produce a huge number of artillery systems. Hundreds, even thousands, of aerial cannons should be supplied to the Basij. I hope the army builds a huge number of six-barreled artillery systems, especially their famous Mesba system, which I consider fundamental.

Saturating the sky with thousands of bullets per second can really help intercept multiple missiles, drone bombs, and bombs with high-performance and powerful radar and optical tracking. No missile, drone, or bomb in the world can withstand a wall of bullets without being destroyed in mid-air. 100 bullets directly hitting a missile, bomb, drone, or even aircraft is a guaranteed success.

It helps other air defense systems do their job and protect many sensitive and less sensitive locations.

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A must for stopping cruise missiles, small drones and other low RCS, low flying threats.
 
I hope Iran continues to produce a huge number of artillery systems. Hundreds, even thousands, of aerial cannons should be supplied to the Basij. I hope the army builds a huge number of six-barreled artillery systems, especially their famous Mesba system, which I consider fundamental.

Saturating the sky with thousands of bullets per second can really help intercept multiple missiles, drone bombs, and bombs with high-performance and powerful radar and optical tracking. No missile, drone, or bomb in the world can withstand a wall of bullets without being destroyed in mid-air. 100 bullets directly hitting a missile, bomb, drone, or even aircraft is a guaranteed success.

It helps other air defense systems do their job and protect many sensitive and less sensitive locations.

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Since when such systems can intercept ballistic missiles?
 
Has Iran made any effort to find a way of actually protecting these installations next time?

To lose 2 in on strike, is quite bad of there are only a max of 20.
they have overlapping coverage so losing 2 is not a big deal. they are big fixed targets, they will always be the first targets destroyed. their goal is to alert iran to the attack not to survive
 
they have overlapping coverage so losing 2 is not a big deal. they are big fixed targets, they will always be the first targets destroyed. their goal is to alert iran to the attack not to survive
They are still expensive assets and in the absence of air borne radars, we will still need them to detect cruise missile attacks.
 
They are still expensive assets and in the absence of air borne radars, we will still need them to detect cruise missile attacks.
yes but losing 1-2 does not result in major gaps in coverage is my point. their purpose is to detect such an attack at the earliest stage possible.

yes we desperately need AWACS and an interceptor fleet to work with IADS and close remaining gaps / weaknesses
 
yes but losing 1-2 does not result in major gaps in coverage is my point. their purpose is to detect such an attack at the earliest stage possible.

yes we desperately need AWACS and an interceptor fleet to work with IADS and close remaining gaps / weaknesses
But how many OTH radars do we have that we can afford to lose one or two? I know only 3 or 4 such radars in Iran. And we have lost at least one already.
 
But how many OTH radars do we have that we can afford to lose one or two? I know only 3 or 4 such radars in Iran. And we have lost at least one already.
I said in my original post there are 15

there are actually 20 in total. at least 13 are operational, 2 are being repaired, and 5 are in various stages of construction and may also be in operation.
 
I said in my original post there are 15

there are actually 20 in total. at least 13 are operational, 2 are being repaired, and 5 are in various stages of construction and may also be in operation.
That's a relief. Still, probably not enough to cover most of the blind spots in Iran's mountainous terrain.
Do we have a list of these 15 OTH radars and their locations?
 
While building the many underground missile cities, they could build some kind of deep underground bunker for the OTH radar operators. The antennas are not vulnerable and can be easily repaired, but the control system and trained people are expensive and difficult to replace.
 
False! They used it during exercises, and it's far from a toy because it's supported by radar and optical systems. For me, Mesbah is an important and effective artillery system. If I were in charge of the army, I would have thousands of them produced.

It's highly likely that the army has in its possession an artillery system similar to the Pantsir or an Iranian version of the C-RAM, which has not yet been revealed.
Can you provide any videos/photos of them being used in exercises? Because I haven't seen any. It's barely ever talked about. In theory, its a good system, but we have yet to see it in mass use or even in use by limited numbers. Please provide sources of where you've seen it in exercises
 
Can you provide any videos/photos of them being used in exercises? Because I haven't seen any. It's barely ever talked about. In theory, its a good system, but we have yet to see it in mass use or even in use by limited numbers. Please provide sources of where you've seen it in exercises
Same for Bavar-373 and most of Iran's indigenous systems. No actual evidence of use or mass production.
 
Same for Bavar-373 and most of Iran's indigenous systems. No actual evidence of use or mass production.
Bacar has been shown in use mass production is another story but since it takes years to of r and d on these systems with a decade or longer for the final product to be fully developed it’s not that uncommon otherwise everyone would have have thaad arrow 3 s 500 and etc…….
 
That's a relief. Still, probably not enough to cover most of the blind spots in Iran's mountainous terrain.
Do we have a list of these 15 OTH radars and their locations?
yes

10+ Ghadir
3+ Nazir
1+ Keyhan

a few accounts on twitter share this stuff
 

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