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Each carrier group has at least one nuclear submarine following them.

Iranian submarines cannot compete against those that can dive deeper and more silent and stealthy. They would be annihilated.
there are three US destroyers in the Persian Gulf

they are not in a carrier group and do not have nuclear subs tailing them (which would be pointless in the shallow Persian Gulf anyway)

these are suitable targets for the 20+ Ghadir midget subs

1 Fateh small sub and 3 Kilo class subs should focus on Gulf of Oman area to at least keep US ships 700km+ away to reduce sortie rates
 
there are three US destroyers in the Persian Gulf

they are not in a carrier group and do not have nuclear subs tailing them (which would be pointless in the shallow Persian Gulf anyway)

these are suitable targets for the 20+ Ghadir midget subs

1 Fateh small sub and 3 Kilo class subs should focus on Gulf of Oman area to at least keep US ships 700km+ away to reduce sortie rates

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the submarine fleet should be ordered near the aircraft carriers

So my response was to attacking a carrier group with the subs Iran has. The response stands correct sending any of Iran’s submarines towards a carrier group will be a suicide mission.

Don’t forget the U.S. navy fought Japanese and German submarines 85 years ago. They are no novices in anti submarine warfare.

I wouldn’t hold hope that Ghadir will fair any better than U-Boats. Given their limited armament (2 torpedos) and need to go back to Iran to resupply. I don’t think they will get the chance to do multiple runs.
 
1 Fateh small sub and 3 Kilo class subs should focus on Gulf of Oman area to at least keep US ships 700km+ away to reduce sortie rates

On the contrary, the close they are, added vectors of our AShBM/AShCM come into play which are missing at longer ranges.
 
there are three US destroyers in the Persian Gulf

they are not in a carrier group and do not have nuclear subs tailing them (which would be pointless in the shallow Persian Gulf anyway)

these are suitable targets for the 20+ Ghadir midget subs

1 Fateh small sub and 3 Kilo class subs should focus on Gulf of Oman area to at least keep US ships 700km+ away to reduce sortie rates
Also, you don't need to send a naked Ghadir against a US destroyer.
You can use naval mines and UUV submarines to deploy mines or even captor stile mines/torpedo that can be carried even by small lenj fishing boats.
 
Also, you don't need to send a naked Ghadir against a US destroyer.
You can use naval mines and UUV submarines to deploy mines or even captor stile mines/torpedo that can be carried even by small lenj fishing boats.

Remember Houthi’s showed that even a successful container ship attack didn’t necessarily mean massive damage. Many of those ships continued sailing on their own accord and rarely did they sink.

These big ships can take a beating and a container ship doesn’t even have reinforced hulls like a destroyer. So it’s gonna require multiple hits to put a destroyer out of commission unless you get lucky and cut power to its engines or hit the munition storage on the first hit.
 
Remember Houthi’s showed that even a successful container ship attack didn’t necessarily mean massive damage. Many of those ships continued sailing on their own accord and rarely did they sink.

These big ships can take a beating and a container ship doesn’t even have reinforced hulls like a destroyer. So it’s gonna require multiple hits to put a destroyer out of commission unless you get lucky and cut power to its engines or hit the munition storage on the first hit.
Houthis and Irans capabilities are basically on far different levels and the quantities Houthis could launch at a prolonged period isn’t the same as Irans even Houthis got some fairly close hits on military ships but if this actually did come to a war between Iran and trump aligned forces better to fire off as much firepower as they can in the beginning and hope they can hit a few ships that are attacking Irans territory I honestly can understand why Iran is hesitant at a preemptive strike Israel attacks world won’t bat an eye trump attacks world won’t bat an eye Iran strikes preemptively at forces surrounding them they’re the belligerent force attacking trump would force bato and Arab countries to do his and Israel’s dirty work so they have to take a hit first in order to respond massively and takeout as many ships with hundreds of cruise missiles anti ship ballistic missiles and swarms of aerial and naval drones and mines hell thousands of they’re capable of doing it against sea targets how many waves can these carriers stop I don’t know the answer but I can bet after 4 waves no matter what they’re going to connect and if there’s aircraft on top of those carriers they’re going to start a chain reaction no matter what
 
Remember Houthi’s showed that even a successful container ship attack didn’t necessarily mean massive damage. Many of those ships continued sailing on their own accord and rarely did they sink.

These big ships can take a beating and a container ship doesn’t even have reinforced hulls like a destroyer. So it’s gonna require multiple hits to put a destroyer out of commission unless you get lucky and cut power to its engines or hit the munition storage on the first hit.
Well I agree that with a anti ship ballistic missile It will be harder to sink a large ship. But naval mines are different. Even if they don't sink the ship they can easily break or jam the shaft and without propulsión/power that ship can be easily target by ballistic or conventional antiship cruise missiles.
 
Well I agree that with a anti ship ballistic missile It will be harder to sink a large ship. But naval mines are different. Even if they don't sink the ship they can easily break or jam the shaft and without propulsión/power that ship can be easily target by ballistic or conventional antiship cruise missiles.
How about ASBM armed with thermobaric warheads? Even if 1 not enough to sink it, crews can die due to the intense heat.
 
I asked ChatGPT :
Are thermobaric warheads effective against aircraft carriers when used on ASBMs?

Thermobaric warheads are generally
ineffective at sinking or significantly damaging an aircraft carrier's hull, but they can be highly effective at achieving a "mission kill" by devastating the flight deck.

Limitations Against Ship Structures
  • Airtight Resilience: Modern warships, especially aircraft carriers, are designed to be "buttoned up" with airtight, compartmentalized sections to survive chemical or nuclear environments. Because thermobaric weapons rely on a fuel-air cloud penetrating into cavities to be effective, they struggle against the sealed, armored hull of a carrier.
  • Armor Protection: Carriers have thick deck and side armor. Thermobaric blasts lack the focused "penetrator" energy found in armor-piercing or shaped-charge warheads needed to breach these defenses.

Effectiveness for "Mission Kills"
When used on an Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM) like the Chinese DF-21D, the goal is often to disable the carrier's ability to launch aircraft rather than sinking it.
  • Flight Deck Devastation: A thermobaric detonation on or above the flight deck would create a massive fireball and sustained overpressure. This would incinerate aircraft, destroy sensitive radar and sensor arrays, and potentially kill personnel in exposed areas.
  • Sensor Blindness: Even without structural damage, the intense heat and blast can "blind" the ship by destroying its communication and targeting masts, rendering the carrier unable to defend itself or coordinate its air wing.
  • Fuel/Ordnance Ignition: The secondary heat effects could potentially ignite exposed fuel lines or munitions on the deck, leading to catastrophic secondary fires.

Comparison with Other Payloads
  • Kinetic Energy: A heavy ASBM warhead (like a hypersonic MaRV) striking at Mach 10+ carries enough raw kinetic energy to cause massive structural damage regardless of the explosive type.
  • Conventional High Explosive (HE): Conventional "semi-armor-piercing" HE warheads are usually preferred for ships because they are designed to punch through the deck before exploding inside the hull.
Would you like to explore the defensive systems carriers use to intercept these ballistic missiles, such as the SM-6 interception.


How about crews?

While thermobaric warheads are devastating against personnel in the open or in simple bunkers, their effect on a carrier's crew depends entirely on
where the personnel are located during the strike.

Crew on the Flight Deck and Hangar
Personnel in these exposed areas face the most extreme danger:
  • Thermal Obliteration: Those near the ignition point are often vaporized or suffer fourth-degree burns as temperatures reach 3,000°C.
  • Internal Ruptures: The sustained "negative pressure" wave is particularly lethal to internal organs. It causes pulmonary barotrauma (ruptured lungs), burst eardrums, and internal hemorrhaging.
  • Asphyxiation: The weapon "sucks" oxygen from the surrounding air to fuel the explosion, which can cause suffocation for those who survive the initial blast.

Crew Inside the Ship's Hull
For the thousands of crew members below deck, the ship itself acts as a massive shield:
  • Airtight Resilience: Modern warships are designed to be "buttoned up" to survive chemical or nuclear attacks. If the ship's hatches are sealed, the thermobaric fuel cloud cannot seep into the lower decks, rendering the weapon largely ineffective against the interior crew.
  • Mission Kill Impact: While the interior crew may survive, the ship suffers a "mission kill"—meaning the loss of radar, communications, and flight operations personnel makes it impossible for the carrier to continue its primary task.

Medical Challenges
According to the Journal of Military and Veterans' Health, survivors of a thermobaric blast present unique challenges:
  • Invisible Injuries: Blast survivors often appear uninjured externally but suffer from cerebral arterial gas embolisms (air bubbles in the blood) that can cause sudden death minutes or hours later.
  • Treatment Difficulty: Standard military field dressings and sandbags are largely ineffective against the pressure waves, and secondary inhalation of toxic combustion gases can cause severe respiratory failure.
Would you like to compare the lethality of thermobaric warheads to conventional fragmentation warheads in maritime environments?
 
Well I agree that with a anti ship ballistic missile It will be harder to sink a large ship. But naval mines are different. Even if they don't sink the ship they can easily break or jam the shaft and without propulsión/power that ship can be easily target by ballistic or conventional antiship cruise missiles.
a torpedo or mine that hits in the right location can easily render a destroyer unusable
 
the air defence situation is terrible

in Esfahan, one of the best protected areas, at least 20 / 30 the US cruise missiles hit their targets (the rest likely failed since the Tomahawk apparently has a c. 33% failure rate)

likely no interceptions were made

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How about ASBM armed with thermobaric warheads? Even if 1 not enough to sink it, crews can die due to the intense heat.
Usually the crew wear helmets and special fireproof mask and gloves, but also the command bridge and the CIC are armored.
The best way to sink a ship It is torpedo, second It is a naval mine and third cruise missile. Ballistic missiles and bombs because their kinetic force if fuze is a bit delayed just cross the hull and detonates under de water. A ballistic missile need to have a very specific and very well tuned fuze to avoid such efect.
IMO just a ballistic missile contact high explosive fuze to destroy radar sensors and ECM equipment and a half of dozen noors/ghader can finish the job.
 
Usually the crew wear helmets and special fireproof mask and gloves, but also the command bridge and the CIC are armored.
The best way to sink a ship It is torpedo, second It is a naval mine and third cruise missile. Ballistic missiles and bombs because their kinetic force if fuze is a bit delayed just cross the hull and detonates under de water. A ballistic missile need to have a very specific and very well tuned fuze to avoid such efect.
IMO just a ballistic missile contact high explosive fuze to destroy radar sensors and ECM equipment and a half of dozen noors/ghader can finish the job.
I doubt any ship Capitan is insane enough to continue operation after being hit by ballistic missiles
 
The air defense situation in Iran is extremely interesting. How is it possible that the Russians can easily shoot down Himars, Shadovstorm, AGM88 missiles, and drones with their Tor and Buk, S33-400 systems, while Iran is incapable of doing so. This is inexplicable. And if the previous assumption is true, then they should also be able to shoot down quasi-ballistic missiles.
Asking for advice and help is not shameful, it is necessary.
 
the air defence situation is terrible

in Esfahan, one of the best protected areas, at least 20 / 30 the US cruise missiles hit their targets (the rest likely failed since the Tomahawk apparently has a c. 33% failure rate)

likely no interceptions were made

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Makes you wonder what the air defense situation in 2006 was like.

I find it hard to believe that Iran’s air defense network performed worse than Assad’s and considerably worse than Iraq 2003.

The only explanation is that reliance on Windows OS or some other technical issue means that that large amounts of Iran’s air defense nodes were taken offline via EW or even viruses. Maybe in the coming years it will leak what they did. Just find it hard to believe that this many systems performed so poorly.

Even the capital Tehran was using AA guns for the bulk of defense.
 

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