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[Immortals]

are you under the impression the Russian jets are flying over Kyev?

What kind of question is this? Are you under the impression the war lines are around Kyiv? It’s not 2022 anymore.

How do you think an A-50 was targeted 200KM INSIDE Russia? Patriot missiles and NATO supplied air defense systems are moving closer to the battle lines as Russia advances.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763207625871630377

 

[tsunset]

are you under the impression the Russian jets are flying over Kyev?

Kiev is not the main battlefield as far as im informed

The Russian jets flies over the frontline giving support, not going deep inside Ukraine

 

[tsunset]

What kind of question is this? Are you under the impression the war lines are around Kyiv? It’s not 2022 anymore.

How do you think an A-50 was targeted 200KM INSIDE Russia? Patriot missiles and NATO supplied air defense systems are moving closer to the battle lines as Russia advances.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763207625871630377

I just dont understand why they are not throwing packs of mass of Kh-31/58 at the patriot batteries, is there even one Patriot killed?

Also Ukraine claimed to have used S-200 for the A-50s, it has a very long range even being outdated

 

[Immortals]

I just dont understand why they are not throwing packs of mass of Kh-31/58 at the patriot batteries, is there even one Patriot killed?

The most evasive missile by Ukraine’s own admission is KH-22 ironically. Ukraine has not intercepted a single KH-22 in 2 years of war.

Russia does do mass missile attacks from time to time. They did a 120+ missile attack end of Dec. At least one patriot missile launcher has been damaged.

The issue is NATO handlers are in control of the batteries and move them around based on ISR when Russia isn’t paying attention.

Even the infamous Russia Kiyv attack to try to take out patriots lead to subpar results as Kiyv threw tens of interceptors at the skies to prevent interception.

But this war was wake up call. Russia quite frankly didn’t invest in their military outside of various Wunderwaffe programs. Most of their previous drone tech came from a deal with Israel years ago. It’s CM tech production was low and not a priority. PGM production as well.

The good news is war funding fatigue has reached even US with republicans tired of pumping money into corrupt Ukraine. If Trump gets elected Ukraine might as well kiss the territories goodbye. No more tens of billions in military aid. All Russia has to do is take its time. Ukraine has manpower issues up and down the battle lines and even it’s own society doesn’t want to go die on front lines. Humans have such short attention spans these days. As Batman said you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. Well Ukraine war is slowly becoming a villain in eyes of the West.

This is what Napoleon and Hitler found out the hard way. Russia may bend, may suffer extreme losses, but rarely will it break. Not as long as there are men still alive to throw at the frontlines.

Also Ukraine claimed to have used S-200 for the A-50s, it has a very long range even being outdated

A-50 knew it was coming did all that they could to throw the missile off track. Likely sometype of NATO ISR trap happened where they knew flight was happening well in advance and snuck in air defense system into its killzone. But prior Ukraine air kills were later found to be Russian friendly fire incidents.

Should be a wake up call for those that thing B-1’s, B-52, and AWACs would get anywhere close to iran in case of war. These things are Christmas trees on radar screens.

 

[jauk]

I just dont understand why they are not throwing packs of mass of Kh-31/58 at the patriot batteries, is there even one Patriot killed?

Also Ukraine claimed to have used S-200 for the A-50s, it has a very long range even being outdated

You’re misunderstanding Russian strategy: fight the war as cheap as possible. What you see unfold are edge cases of their calculations.

 

[Flotilla]

The good news is war funding fatigue has reached even US with republicans tired of pumping money into corrupt Ukraine. If Trump gets elected Ukraine might as well kiss the territories goodbye. No more tens of billions in military aid. All Russia has to do is take its time. Ukraine has manpower issues up and down the battle lines and even it’s own society doesn’t want to go die on front lines. Humans have such short attention spans these days. As Batman said you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. Well Ukraine war is slowly becoming a villain in eyes of the West.

Agreed. And Taiwan should take it into account. Excuse me because of the offline post. I won´t insist it anymore.

 

[Persian Gulf]

What kind of question is this? Are you under the impression the war lines are around Kyiv? It’s not 2022 anymore.

your point was iranian su-35s will stay inside iran and won't face same attrition as Russian su-35s because they will be backed up by local AD systems

well Russian su-35s are not going very far from Russian controlled territory and should also be backed up by local AD systems with 400-600km+ claimed range

 

[Immortals]

your point was iranian su-35s will stay inside iran and won't face same attrition as Russian su-35s because they will be backed up by local AD systems

well Russian su-35s are not going very far from Russian controlled territory and should also be backed up by local AD systems with 400-600km+ claimed range

Russian SU-35’s aren’t defending their local AD systems or Russian territories. The only point of Iranian SU-35’s is to protect Bavar, S-300 and HVT sites deep inside Iranian territory.

Russians are specifically hunting Ukrainian aircraft and bombing HVTs around the front lines. And SU-35’s are entering Donbass and other Russian controlled territories. So it’s not like the TU bombers who safely fire from Belarus or Caspian Sea or within Russian borders.

The issue people fail to understand is they don’t understand how fragile IFF (friend or foe) tech is even in this day age. It’s simply not entirely reliable at long ranges in the era of ECW. So while your S-400 might have 400KM range, there is serious concerns as an operator if your targeting your own guy. This has happened on both sides during the war. Hell this week a billion dollar German destroyer fired two AD missiles at US Predator it mistaked for Houthi drone.

You can also be assured during war iran will shoot down some of its own fighters and vice versa. That’s the fog of war when operators have split second decision making. But the risk of leaving your AD without any airforce whatsoever will be that will eventually get overwehlmed once US ISR finds their location.

We saw this in Russia when S-300 was overwhelmed by a 10 missile+ barrage attack so a UK shadow cruise missile could get thru and hit the system.

 

[Flotilla]

your point was iranian su-35s will stay inside iran and won't face same attrition as Russian su-35s because they will be backed up by local AD systems

well Russian su-35s are not going very far from Russian controlled territory and should also be backed up by local AD systems with 400-600km+ claimed range

You must take into account that 90% of the russians looses have been produced by SAM systems, not Ukr Mig29 or Su27. Those systems have been very successful sneaking into the frontline (even further probably after shooting down the A-50 Madge) and firing to any operating aircraft.

 

[KonTim]

You must take into account that 90% of the russians looses have been produced by SAM systems, not Ukr Mig29 or Su27. Those systems have been very successful sneaking into the frontline (even further probably after shooting down the A-50 Madge) and firing to any operating aircraft.

I always had the following question in my mind: does the RuAF has loose a single fighter aircraft in A2A combat since the beginning of the war?

 

[tsunset]

I always had the following question in my mind: does the RuAF has loose a single fighter aircraft in A2A combat since the beginning of the war?

Drones, probably

Helicopters, probably

Fighters, no one knows, Ukraine has a limited A2A arsenal in comparison with Russia R-37 etc

 

[Shams313]

Iran's aviation industry literally sleeping

 

[Hack-Hook]

Big difference flying near war lines, versus flying in your own airspace with your air defense network backing you up. Night and day difference. Which is what Iranian SU-35’s would be doing. Not flying to Israel or US military bases or any major front lines on the ground (not that a land invasion of Iran is even remotely possible).

Wait and see when F-16’s get delivered to Ukraine you will start to seeing the first ones fall of the sky, that’s assuming they even bring them close to war front.

The current SU-27/30 Ukraine has they are flying them at near tree level before “popping up” to fire their anti radiation missiles and escaping. Dangerous games get dangerous prizes.

Russian SU-34 bombers and SU-35 are typically also flying low (I am talking manpad level) because of lack of PGMs. Only recently have glide mention kits been more rampantly used. This isn’t a Russia only phenomenon. Israeli Air Force has been largely using unguided bombs in Gaza. Most countries stocks of “guided” munitions get rapidly depleted in a major war.

I think Iran Air Force is also in the same boat if it had to rely on its airforce to deliver most kinetic power it would run out of [guided] bombs fairly quickly.

Russian s-35u and a-50 were not inside Ukraine controlled area

 

[Hack-Hook]

The most evasive missile by Ukraine’s own admission is KH-22 ironically. Ukraine has not intercepted a single KH-22 in 2 years of war.

technically a ballistic missile fired from aircraft

 

[wudangmaster]