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[LongLiveIran]

Israeli attack was a huge boost for the pro-air force crowd within decision making circles of Iran.

IRGC has tried to say it would be a waste of funds for years and that missiles and other strategic weapons would be enough. However, the Israeli attack showed that Iran at the minimum needs to have an interceptor force to keep the skies of Iran relatively clear.

Everyone could see this coming. If Iran had a decent interceptor force, Israel would have no sustainable option against Iran in a potential war.

I think the Islamic Republic has not forgotten the Nozheh Coup yet. There is no other explanation for their negligence of the IRIAF. Even a child understands that SAMs and OTH radars alone are not enough to ensure the security of Iran's skies.

 

[muhammed45]

Everyone could see this coming. If Iran had a decent interceptor force, Israel would have no sustainable option against Iran in a potential war.

I think the Islamic Republic has not forgotten the Nozheh Coup yet. There is no other explanation for their negligence of the IRIAF. Even a child understands that SAMs and OTH radars alone are not enough to ensure the security of Iran's skies.

Sorry bro but silly take on that subject from you.

What kind of a fighter jet could counter American F-22 and Israeli F-35 over Iraqi airspace? Could we even develop a fighter jet that could defeat them there?

Russia has tried for close to a century to have something like SU-57. Its expensive, time consuming and a trap too. If we only invested in fighter jet program, we would have been humiliated around our country like never before.

Let us suppose we could catch up with latest generations of F-18 super hornets. Yet, we could not do shit against Americam airbases and Israeli jets.

Even if we import big ticket itmes from Russia such as SU-30SM-35S, they will never be sent to chase or counter F-22. They will stay home to defend us against raining cruise missiles, drones and other radar evading anti - IADS assets of our enemies.

Do not try to make rift amongst our armed forces. Since first of all its a lie and secondly it is a silly analysis.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Sorry bro but silly take on that subject from you.

What kind of a fighter jet could counter American F-22 and Israeli F-35 over Iraqi airspace? Could we even develop a fighter jet that could defeat them there?

Russia has tried for close to a century to have something like SU-57. Its expensive, time consuming and a trap too. If we only invested in fighter jet program, we would have been humiliated around our country like never before.

Let us suppose we could catch up with latest generations of F-18 super hornets. Yet, we could not do shit against Americam airbases and Israeli jets.

Even if we import big ticket itmes from Russia such as SU-30SM-35S, they will never be sent to chase or counter F-22. They will stay home to defend us against raining cruise missiles, drones and other radar evading anti - IADS assets of our enemies.

Do not try to make rift amongst our armed forces. Since first of all its a lie and secondly it is a silly analysis.

Brother, your narrative is the exact reason that the IRIAF is in the shape it is today. But even if so, at least that would narrow down the number of available jets that Israel could use against us.

Israel has 66 F-15s and 175 F-16s. It has only 38 F-35s and as far as I'm aware, Israel operates no F-22s. So, what you are saying is true about 15% of their air force and for some reason, you want to focus on only that 15% instead of 85% that we can deal with.

Other than that, what Israel did 2 nights ago can be replicated by our other neighbors as well. Other countries in the region (Turkey and Saudi Arabia, for example) definitely have taken notes. Let's not forget that we have territorial disputes with the Emirates and the Emirates have air superiority over us as well.

 

[muhammed45]

Brother, your narrative is the exact reason that the IRIAF is in the shape it is today. But even if so, at least that would narrow down the number of available jets that Israel could use against us.

Israel has 66 F-15s and 175 F-16s. It has only 38 F-35s and as far as I'm aware, Israel operates no F-22s. So, what you are saying is true about 15% of their air force and for some reason, you want to focus on only that 15% instead of 85% that we can deal with.

Other than that, what Israel did 2 nights ago can be replicated by our other neighbors as well. Other countries in the region (Turkey and Saudi Arabia, for example) definitely have taken notes. Let's not forget that we have territorial disputes with the Emirates and the Emirates have air superiority over us as well.

Your point is correct in its nature. We need proper air superiority interceptors. But there is a big difference between acquiring fighter jets from abroad and developing them inhouse from zero point.

We learnt a lesson from 8 years war with Saddam. Unfortunately, western aviation is light years ahead of eastern technology. Soviets' economy was destroyed because of trying to stay on par with western military Solutions. Russia spent nearly 30 billion dollars on SU-57. Can you imagine the economic burden?

Buying from Russia has an advantage for us. We would not have to spend that huge budget on a single platform. Imagine how many SU-35S you can buy with 30 bn dollars that was spent on developing SU-57. Sometimes purchasing a pltform is much more cost effective than starting from zero point.

I have to remind you bro, one of our pilots shot 3 Mig jets with 1 Phoenix. That's the same damn advantage of western platforms compared to what we can afford to have.

And do not forget, we do not have dollar printing machines unlike United Snakes of America.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Your point is correct in its nature. We need proper air superiority interceptors. But there is a big difference between acquiring fighter jets from abroad and developing them inhouse from zero point.

We learnt a lesson from 8 years war with Saddam. Unfortunately, western aviation is light years ahead of eastern technology. Soviets' economy was destroyed because of trying to stay on par with western military Solutions. Russia spent nearly 30 billion dollars on SU-57. Can you imagine the economic burden?

Buying from Russia has an advantage for us. We would not have to spend that huge budget on a single platform. Imagine how many SU-35S you can buy with 30 bn dollars that was spent on developing SU-57. Sometimes purchasing a pltform is much more cost effective than starting from zero point.

I have to remind you bro, one of our pilots shot 3 Mig jets with 1 Phoenix. That's the same damn advantage of western platforms compared to what we can afford to have.

And do not forget, we do not have dollar printing machines unlike United Snakes of America.

I'm not disputing any of your arguments. Yes, Western jet fighters are superior to Russian jet fighters. No doubt about that. Yes, we should make purchases because we don't have time to develop our own platform. I even doubt that we have the technology to produce a decent jet engine anyway. We haven't been able to reverse engineer RD-33 yet.

However, Iranians are resilient people. Iranians are honorable, patriotic people. I am sure that the Iranian economy can easily absorb the burden of 30 billion dollars in 5-10 years, if people see something is getting better. We don't have a dollar printing machine like the Fed, but the Central Bank in Iran is already printing money like crazy which has led to high inflation, sometimes over 60% in urban areas. We have had multiple billion-dollar plunders of public wealth in the last 2 decades that would total to more than $10-15 billion dollars.

We have spent 10-20 billion dollars in the region to support our allies/proxies since the Syrian Civil War and October 7th. If we had spent the same amount of money on the IRIAF, we would be in a much better situation in the region now. We have too many enemies around us. Two of them have officially laid claims on our territory through their actions, speeches and official media (namely the Emirates and the Republic of Azerbaijan).

 

[muhammed45]

I'm not disputing any of your arguments. Yes, Western jet fighters are superior to Russian jet fighters. No doubt about that. Yes, we should make purchases because we don't have time to develop our own platform. I even doubt that we have the technology to produce a decent jet engine anyway. We haven't been able to reverse engineer RD-33 yet.

However, Iranians are resilient people. Iranians are honorable, patriotic people. I am sure that the Iranian economy can easily absorb the burden of 30 billion dollars in 5-10 years, if people see something is getting better. We don't have a dollar printing machine like the Fed, but the Central Bank in Iran is already printing money like crazy which has led to high inflation, sometimes over 60% in urban areas. We have had multiple billion-dollar plunders of public wealth in the last 2 decades that would total to more than $10-15 billion dollars.

We have spent 10-20 billion dollars in the region to support our allies/proxies since the Syrian Civil War and October 7th. If we had spent the same amount of money on the IRIAF, we would be in a much better situation in the region now. We have too many enemies around us. Two of them have officially laid claims on our territory through their actions, speeches and official media (namely the Emirates and the Republic of Azerbaijan).

Azerbaijan and UAE?

Come on. UAE the little shit will be annexed the moment they go full retard. I can conquer Azerbaijan with an AK-47 lol. Jokes aside, 90% of their army are kefli iskandar (drunk Iskander as we call) with a drunk leader that sometimes appears on the media and says slogans with that drunk face.

2 former provinces of Iran are no real threat to motherland. No worries.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Azerbaijan and UAE?

Come on. UAE the little shit will be annexed the moment they go full retard. I can conquer Azerbaijan with an AK-47 lol. Jokes aside, 90% of their army are kefli iskandar (drunk Iskander as we call) with a drunk leader that sometimes appears on the media and says slogans with that drunk face.

2 former provinces of Iran are no real threat to motherland. No worries.

Of course, they will never face Iran alone during peace time.
Why do you think the European Union has called Iranian islands 'occupied' during this sensitive time? Coincidence?
When shit hits the fan, these two cowards will use the opportunity. They know they're no match for Iran otherwise.

 

[Tijani]

Prior to heavy sanctions imposed on our country, Iran had almost 20 billion dollars forzen in Russian banks.

The payment is not an issue, since Iran can use its frozen assets in Russia.

We had 30 billion Euro in Europe and almost 50 billion dollar in Chinese banks.

Please inform "Longliveiran" of this! Iran has more than a 100 billion USD frozen overseas. Compare this the total financial aid, little over 64 billion USD, received by Ukraine. He's claiming that Iran doesn't have the economy to fight a war. People need to stop believing the West's definition of gdp. They inflate theirs and underestimate or lie about everyone else's

 

[LongLiveIran]

Please inform "Longliveiran" of this! Iran has more than a 100 billion USD frozen overseas. Compare this the total financial aid, little over 64 billion USD, received by Ukraine. He's claiming that Iran doesn't have the economy to fight a war. People need to stop believing the West's definition of gdp. They inflate theirs and underestimate or lie about everyone else's

Please learn to read before you spew nonsense. Nobody said that Iran doesn't have the economy to fight a war.

 

[Tijani]

Please learn to read before you spew nonsense. Nobody said that Iran doesn't have the economy to fight a war.

"So, Iran doesn't seem ready for this war. Everyone agrees that economically, Iran is not ready for this war."

You're right! Must be someone else using your name writing this nonsens I've quoted and answered previously. Let's move on

 

[LongLiveIran]

"So, Iran doesn't seem ready for this war. Everyone agrees that economically, Iran is not ready for this war."

You're right! Must be someone else using your name writing this nonsens I've quoted and answered previously. Let's move on

You are responsible for your comprehension issues, not me. I said Iranian economy is not "ready" for this war, not that Iran doesn't have the economy to fund this war. We will be able to fund the war, but with catastrophic consequences for the Iranians which may result in limited revolts here and there.

Heck, Iranian economy isn't even ready for a skirmish with the Taliban. Iranian Rial has already lost 10% of its value in the last week. Stop being delusional.

 

[Ali_Baba]

If Iran has received a license to manufacture, it would be interesting to see what they are receiving interms of TOT compared to the deal that India got to manufacture its planes. What does that mean interms of avionics(eg radars) and engine TOT transfer ?

Ideally Iran can develop its own avionics suite to swap our Russian avionics, but keep the core airframe and related systems for the platform.

A mix of Su-30/35s makes sense for Iran, Iran needs the range and payload capabilities and this does provide a potential path for Su-57s down the road.

If you consider that Israel needed large air refuellers, AEW&C aircraft to operate over Iraq to attack Iran, then you can see how platforms like the Sukhoi series can limit the area of operation for those types of platforms, and therefore the degree of movement that IDF can have over Iraq.

The world is not binary, just because Iran is purchasing this platform, does not mean Iran cannot continue its own indigenous development programmes in parallel to develop core new technologies.

 

[ToddE]

I believe nothing until I see the plane in Iranian colors.

Makes no difference in Iranian doctrine but nice to see leadership finally giving something to the orphaned IRIAF.

 

[ToddE]

Reza on Twitter is repeating what Babak Taghvaee (not a journalist anymore) was saying few months back.

Total number of Yak-130 in Iran right now = 12
Total number of SU-35S in Iran right now = 2 (Total 24 due)

The rumor of SU-35S assembly line and SU-30SM for training is yet to be confirmed by journalistic sources.

 

[wudangmaster]

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