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[muhammed45]

You need to seriously study "what international relations are."

The diplomatic relations between China and Iran have been dynamic and evolving over the years. We are not hostile, but we are not particularly close either. In the minds of both China and Iran's respective populations, the relationship is simply a typical international one.

Iran has been subject to UN sanctions for a long time. China is a member of the P5. Only after these sanctions are lifted can we discuss the possibility of arms trade between China and Iran.

From military point of view, China is not considered as a major military hegemone. And its in spite of China's high tech military industries. China produces high tech weapons and also constantly improves, but its never been one of the top powers with military hegemony.

Russia is considered as the military powerhouse after fall of Soviets, therefore only Russians can stretch their arms and give something to someone independently.

For example without indirect approval of CIA, China was not allowed to sell long range ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia according to an unwritten agreement with the US. Not only that, KSA was mostly militarily aligned with USA at the time of receiving DF-3 from China. And its a hint. Without approval of USA, China couldn't do that. Maybe or maybe not, some day China will act independently in that area and introduce herself as a military hegemone of the globe. But given the dynamics of China-US relationship, it won't happen in a foreseeable future.

So, no one expects a military deal with China without US approval, not only Iran, but also every (independent) country in the world from South America to east Asia. Simple as that.

 

[Michael]

From military point of view, China is not considered as a major military hegemone. And its in spite of China's high tech military industries. China produces high tech weapons and also constantly improves, but its never been one of the top powers with military hegemony.

Russia is considered as the military powerhouse after fall of Soviets, therefore only Russians can stretch their arms and give something to someone independently.

For example without indirect approval of CIA, China was not allowed to sell long range ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia according to an unwritten agreement with the US. Not only that, KSA was mostly militarily aligned with USA at the time of receiving DF-3 from China. And its a hint. Without approval of USA, China couldn't do that. Maybe or maybe not, some day China will act independently in that area and introduce herself as a military hegemone of the globe. But given the dynamics of China-US relationship, it won't happen in a foreseeable future.

So, no one expects a military deal with China without US approval, not only Iran, but also every (independent) country in the world from South America to east Asia. Simple as that.

Based on our different social environments, we have completely different views on international relations. There's no way to reach a consensus.

Most Chinese people don't have much goodwill towards Iran. Most Iranians don't have much goodwill towards China either. Of course, there's not much animosity between us. We all live in two completely different, mutually exclusive social environments.

So, from an Iranian perspective, your viewpoint isn't surprising.

 

[muhammed45]

Based on our different social environments, we have completely different views on international relations. There's no way to reach a consensus.

Most Chinese people don't have much goodwill towards Iran. Most Iranians don't have much goodwill towards China either. Of course, there's not much animosity between us. We all live in two completely different, mutually exclusive social environments.

So, from an Iranian perspective, your viewpoint isn't surprising.

Childish comment.

In my point of view Chinese are a friendly and an smart nation. Real politics is something else.

Try to educate yourself before getting engaged in foreign sections of this forum. You seem hopeless.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran has been subject to UN sanctions for a long time. China is a member of the P5. Only after these sanctions are lifted can we discuss the possibility of arms trade between China and Iran.

Dear. Mr. Michael, I agree at this point.

Maybe it is the UN sanctions that avoid arms trade between China and Iran, therefore I am exceptical Iran would eventually receive something so good and advanced like J10CE+PL15E combo.

 

[Michael]

Maybe it is the UN sanctions that avoid arms trade between China and Iran, therefore I am exceptical Iran would eventually receive something so good and advanced like J10CE+PL15E combo.

The sanctions imposed on Iran under UN Security Council resolutions were set to expire on October 18, 2025. Theoretically, all restrictions on Iran should have been lifted after that date.

But, on August 28, 2025, the UK, France, and Germany invoked the "snapback" mechanism of the Iran nuclear deal, citing Iran's "failure to fulfill its obligations under the agreement." This mechanism stipulates that sanctions will be automatically reinstated unless the Security Council passes a new resolution opposing them within 30 days. Because the Security Council failed to veto the sanctions, several UN sanctions against Iran passed between 2006 and 2010 were reinstated on September 27, 2025.

The UN Security Council held two votes on September 19 and 26, 2025, regarding the extension of sanctions waivers for Iran. However, the votes failed to pass.
Russia, China, Pakistan, and Algeria voted in favor of preventing the reinstatement of sanctions; the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Denmark, Greece, Panama, Sierra Leone, Slovenia, and Somalia voted against extending the sanctions waivers. Guyana and South Korea abstained.

Note: This mechanism does not require a UN Security Council vote. Therefore, China's veto power cannot be used under this mechanism. The Chinese government explicitly opposes the initiation of the sanctions mechanism and advocates for dialogue and consultation among all parties.

Currently, this issue remains embroiled in intense diplomatic clashes. Until this issue is resolved, it is unlikely that a concrete military trade deal will be reached between China and Iran.

 

[battalion25]

From military point of view, China is not considered as a major military hegemony

China is playing the art of sleeping giant meaning the art of stragetic patience. They wanna hide their hand until they are fully ready.

It is like poker where you hide your hand until the last second where you must reveal them to the table.

But make no mistake China will come out of the flood gates the day they are ready and try to ethbalish their own world hegemony but now china is building up and playing sleeping giant and stragetic patience with everyone don´t get fooled by that. China is buying time and is racing against the clock. Time is working for China as every second it ticks China grows stronger.

Nobody knows who and where the Chinese will first strike but they will go on adventure around the mid-century.

 

[Shafagh]

The era of the dragon is fast approaching. Make no mistake.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran has been subject to UN sanctions for a long time. China is a member of the P5. Only after these sanctions are lifted can we discuss the possibility of arms trade between China and Iran.

This is incorrect.

1) the UN cannot impose sanctions. only the UNSC can, which China is a permanent member of.

2) UNSC sanctions were lifted in 2015 and China does not recognise the recent purported attempt by the West to reimpose these sanctions.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Russia has clearly indicated it does not recognise the sanctions anymore, and the recent transfer of components required for Irans missile program also shows that China does not recognise them either.

 

[muhammed45]

China is playing the art of sleeping giant meaning the art of stragetic patience. They wanna hide their hand until they are fully ready.

It is like poker where you hide your hand until the last second where you must reveal them to the table.

But make no mistake China will come out of the flood gates the day they are ready and try to ethbalish their own world hegemony but now china is building up and playing sleeping giant and stragetic patience with everyone don´t get fooled by that. China is buying time and is racing against the clock. Time is working for China as every second it ticks China grows stronger.

Nobody knows who and where the Chinese will first strike but they will go on adventure around the mid-century.

When cold war was at its peak, we had only two superpowers hence two strong ideologies. Communism and capitalism.

Others were too weak to have a say. After revolution, Iran introduced new ideology which was based upon pure teachings of prophet Muhammad PBUH. That was a threat to all the man made whatever-ism in the world.

Therefore we can conclude that in today's world only two ideologies are opposing each other. Capitalism and pure Islam which means west VS Islam of prophet.

That's why in ideological section Iran is innovative. Communism was digested by the west.

Its side effect is that China doesn't have an independent ideology from west. Its just an other wannabe USA. Yes its possible China could leave USA behind in many areas, but the question is, does that really makes a difference? Will we have a new ideology to save humanity from greed of Jews, Zionists and imperialists? Can we rid ourselves from colonial powers?

Because of all these factors, China can never become an other USA. We have one already.

Now you call China dragon or panda or dinosaur, makes no difference. China is engine of capitalists' economy and ideologically is a subcategory of the west.

 

[mythbuster]

When cold war was at its peak, we had only two superpowers hence two strong ideologies. Communism and capitalism.

Others were too weak to have a say. After revolution, Iran introduced new ideology which was based upon pure teachings of prophet Muhammad PBUH. That was a threat to all the man made whatever-ism in the world.

Therefore we can conclude that in today's world only two ideologies are opposing each other. Capitalism and pure Islam which means west VS Islam of prophet.

That's why in ideological section Iran is innovative. Communism was digested by the west.

Its side effect is that China doesn't have an independent ideology from west. Its just an other wannabe USA. Yes its possible China could leave USA behind in many areas, but the question is, does that really makes a difference? Will we have a new ideology to save humanity from greed of Jews, Zionists and imperialists? Can we rid ourselves from colonial powers?

Because of all these factors, China can never become an other USA. We have one already.

Now you call China dragon or panda or dinosaur, makes no difference. China is engine of capitalists' economy and ideologically is a subcategory of the west.

China has the ultimate ' ideology called PRAGMATISM..... Chinese don't believe in mumbo jumbo.

 

[muhammed45]

China has the ultimate ' ideology called PRAGMATISM..... Chinese don't believe in

Yet to make any difference.

Try harder...

 

[Michael]

This is incorrect.

1) the UN cannot impose sanctions. only the UNSC can, which China is a permanent member of.

2) UNSC sanctions were lifted in 2015 and China does not recognise the recent purported attempt by the West to reimpose these sanctions.

On July 20, 2015, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 2231. This resolution set a 10-year timeframe for limiting Iran's nuclear program, expiring on October 18, 2025. (15 votes in favor, 0 against. China and Russia, among others, unanimously supported the resolution.)

In 2018, the United States unilaterally withdrew from the agreement.
In 2020, the United States submitted a draft resolution to the Security Council aimed at indefinitely extending the arms embargo on Iran. However, the draft resolution failed to pass. China's statement at the time was: "As a party that withdrew from the comprehensive agreement, the United States has lost its status as a participant in the agreement and has no right to demand that the Security Council activate the 'snapback' mechanism."

On August 28, 2025, the UK, France, and Germany invoked the "snapback" mechanism in the resolution. This mechanism stipulates that sanctions will be automatically reinstated unless the Security Council adopts a new resolution opposing them within 30 days.

On September 19, 2025, the UN Security Council voted on a draft resolution to continue sanctions waivers for Iran. 4 votes in favor, 9 against, 2 abstentions. It failed to pass.​

On September 26, 2025, China and Russia initiated a vote on a draft resolution to extend sanctions waivers for Iran. 4 votes in favor, 9 against, 2 abstentions. It failed to pass.​

Because the Security Council failed to veto the sanctions imposed on Iran by the United Nations between 2006 and 2010, these sanctions were reinstated on September 27, 2025.

All of the above information can be found on the official website of the United Nations.

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Both China and Russia oppose sanctions against Iran.

However, the UN Security Council sanctions against Iran are currently in effect. All resolutions comply with the current rules of procedure of the UN Security Council. Therefore, even though China and Russia oppose them, they must abide by these resolutions publicly.

As for the unilateral sanctions imposed on Iran by Western countries bypassing the UN, and whether China and Russia have privately helped Iran or taken any "workaround" measures behind the scenes, these are not within the scope of this discussion.

 

[mangekyo]

When cold war was at its peak, we had only two superpowers hence two strong ideologies. Communism and capitalism.

Others were too weak to have a say. After revolution, Iran introduced new ideology which was based upon pure teachings of prophet Muhammad PBUH. That was a threat to all the man made whatever-ism in the world.

Therefore we can conclude that in today's world only two ideologies are opposing each other. Capitalism and pure Islam which means west VS Islam of prophet.

That's why in ideological section Iran is innovative. Communism was digested by the west.

Its side effect is that China doesn't have an independent ideology from west. Its just an other wannabe USA. Yes its possible China could leave USA behind in many areas, but the question is, does that really makes a difference? Will we have a new ideology to save humanity from greed of Jews, Zionists and imperialists? Can we rid ourselves from colonial powers?

Because of all these factors, China can never become an other USA. We have one already.

Now you call China dragon or panda or dinosaur, makes no difference. China is engine of capitalists' economy and ideologically is a subcategory of the west.

We’re tied to non-Islamic powers that use us only when it benefits them. Our two main “allies” are a state run by oligarchs, many of them openly pro-Israel, and an atheist state ruled by the Communist Party with a capitalist economy. So where exactly is the “pure Islam” in aligning with those two? And did the Prophet ever set up a government where mullahs ruled over everyone in God’s name?

Our own society is driven by elitists who’ve made themselves filthy rich through sanction-busting and corruption, while the average believer earns only a few hundred dollars a month. Where’s the Islam in that?

 

[muhammed45]

We’re tied to non-Islamic powers that use us only when it benefits them. Our two main “allies” are a state run by oligarchs, many of them openly pro-Israel, and an atheist state ruled by the Communist Party with a capitalist economy. So where exactly is the “pure Islam” in aligning with those two? And did the Prophet ever set up a government where mullahs ruled over everyone in God’s name?

Our own society is driven by elitists who’ve made themselves filthy rich through sanction-busting and corruption, while the average believer earns only a few hundred dollars a month. Where’s the Islam in that?

We have our own weaknesses, its true, no one is perfect. Unless the Islamic civilization is built.

It will take time and effort to be shaped.

Btw, too many off topic posts. I just had to clarify a few things.