Iranian Air Force (IRIAF/IRGC-ASF) | News and Discussions

[Cancerous Tumor]

Iran has no interest to buy China's low-end jet fighter like J-10C, although it had a fantastic performance against the Indian air force.

Official experts inside Iran's military don't consider products of China as "low-end". Since we are inside Air Force thread i just point to China visit of minister of defense of Iran Aziz Nasirzadeh (he has AirForce experience too) right after end of fire exchange between U.S/NATO/Israel and Iran.

On point of J-10C I'm not expert will leave it to other members and experts inside both China and Pakistan .

If you are referring to posters like Emirzad or me in regards to MiG-29 or .. similar Russian ones? based on logistics and available manpower and .... it makes perfect sense to point out to already existing platforms inside Iran.

If China wants to match the competitiveness in Iran's eyes, it needs to offer the 6th gen fighter to match the Su-35.

Just like some people still trust those german/japanese legacy auto over the Chinese EV, although the former ones are dinosaur technology compared to China's EV.

On Su-35 (or Su-30) we know from official sources inside Iran that they have been interested but the rest are just one leak here , one paper there and so on.
Japan did bad things during and before WW2 but later they started to build good cars and now China is taking market share there is nothing wrong here.Russia has been exporter during last decades and their planes are already popular so ...
As someone that knows almost nothing about warfare I guess Russia is still make better stuff right now ( who knows maybe i'm just ignorant huh )

In this case, Iran will still stick with the Russian fighter jets, but the delivery date will depend on Russia's productivity capability.

I was trying to praise both China and India models(idk if i was successful or not ). crazy manufacturing power and greater land mass are reasons that I skipped China then i went to find similarities/differences between India and Iran models in order to find negative points of current Iran's view related to Air Force.one of them was lack of large scale manufacturing ....

Just move on, no needs to bring China's fighter jet every post in Iran's air force defence section.

Ok Sir, What about every 2 post then ?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

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SU-35S bunkers being built in Hamedan, surprisingly not hardened wtf is wrong with these people.

few years ago there was a student whom created some sort of stronger concrete and then I remember I saw someone with much stronger asphalt at 2:00 pm news or something. I wonder where these guys are now

 

[ToddE]

few years ago there was a student whom created some sort of stronger concrete and then I remember I saw someone with much stronger asphalt at 2:00 pm news or something. I wonder where these guys are now

Living outside Iran ...

Our STEM workforce is worlds 4th-5th largest but best ones leave Iran because of Mullah Policies.

 

[PakAl]

no they cant because China doesn't have dedicated lines for it , and it would be ridiculously expensive to start those lines which iran would have to pay

I mean the deal, so Iran buys from China and Pakistan innocently only builds the plane, remember the engine comes from Russia unless ws13/ws10 is used so China will have to be involved in the deal. The radars, avionics, missiles all come from China.

 

[PakAl]

They even recognized that and sent many planes to Pakistan like Saddam did in the 90s.

Did not know this. But it shows without a strong SAM systems, AD systems, strong airforce its difficult to protect your nation.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Pakistan innocently only builds the plane

again its not happening , if we do then expect global sanctions on us and we cant handle that

 

[Comandante]

"Awaacs of 600km"
The Earth is spherical, so depending on the flight altitude, the range is 450 km. Let's not exaggerate, the laws of physics cannot be nullified. Quantum radar has not yet been used militarily.

 

[Flotilla]

As someone that knows almost nothing about warfare I guess Russia is still make better stuff right now ( who knows maybe i'm just ignorant huh )

IMO no. China's J16 is far better than Su35. Nearly in everything. From the radar to the missiles, electronic Warfare, engines, everything is much better. But J16 is not available (China-Russia have an agreement about non exporting Su27 Chinese derivatives outside China).

And J10C is excellent and better even than Su35 in many fields.

But the reality It is that IRIAF needs a long range fighter. Irán is very big and have many high sensitive places to protect. Therefore IRIAF destiny is tied to long range fighter. But IRIAF have been interested in J10C and even most Telegram groups still talks about secrets agreement for purchasing J10CE. Even if that is true, the reality It is that Irán needs a long range fighter just now. And any other fighter would be postponed after incorporating a meaningful number of Su35. As Emirzad have appointed many times, it is a unavoidable necessity.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Ho hum, the Iranians should put the Yanks between a rock and a hard place, put out a tender for 150+ fighter aircraft to Washington, a mix of F-16 & F-15 , 60 : 40 ratio, obviously the white house would publicly dismiss this as nonsense, but in private the defence lobby would see this as a golden opportunity to capture the Iranian defence market, and put intense pressure on the white house and congress, afterall it's all about $$$$, and there's no hiding that Iran whether it's ruled by the religious authorities, the monarchy , Gen z or whoever, they all love American made hardware, so the govt in Tehran should piss off the Israel and the Zionist fukers and give the yanks a dilemma to contend with

I see the Iranian government is doing whatever it can to survive against the Zionist oppression.

Everyone is putting their own national interest foremost.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Official experts inside Iran's military don't consider products of China as "low-end". Since we are inside Air Force thread i just point to China visit of minister of defense of Iran Aziz Nasirzadeh (he has AirForce experience too) right after end of fire exchange between U.S/NATO/Israel and Iran.

On point of J-10C I'm not expert will leave it to other members and experts inside both China and Pakistan .

If you are referring to posters like Emirzad or me in regards to MiG-29 or .. similar Russian ones? based on logistics and available manpower and .... it makes perfect sense to point out to already existing platforms inside Iran.



On Su-35 (or Su-30) we know from official sources inside Iran that they have been interested but the rest are just one leak here , one paper there and so on.
Japan did bad things during and before WW2 but later they started to build good cars and now China is taking market share there is nothing wrong here.Russia has been exporter during last decades and their planes are already popular so ...
As someone that knows almost nothing about warfare I guess Russia is still make better stuff right now ( who knows maybe i'm just ignorant huh )


I was trying to praise both China and India models(idk if i was successful or not ). crazy manufacturing power and greater land mass are reasons that I skipped China then i went to find similarities/differences between India and Iran models in order to find negative points of current Iran's view related to Air Force.one of them was lack of large scale manufacturing ....



Ok Sir, What about every 2 post then ?

Because the US and Russian legacy weapons are more recognized as a brand, and China is not willing to offer something 10 times better just to get the same recognition.

We don't want to offer our 6th gen fighters just got the recognition of Su-35.

The Su-35 is practically the weakest fighter among PLAAF fighters, and it cannot even beat the J-10C which is one of our lowest-end indigenous fighter jets.

If Iran is not interested in J-10C, then I don‘t that China has anything other than J-35.

However, the J-35 would have a completely different price tag.

China will not offer you the J-35 for the price tag of the J-10C.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Because the US and Russian legacy weapons are more recognized as a brand, and China is not willing to offer something 10 times better just to get the same recognition.

We don't want to offer our 6th gen fighter just got the recognition of Su-35.

The Su-35 is practically the weakest fighter among PLAAF fighters, and it cannot even beat the J-10C which is one of our lowest-end indigenous fighter jets.

you are arguing with yourself. "Official experts inside Iran's military don't consider products of China as "low-end""

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

I mean the deal, so Iran buys from China and Pakistan innocently only builds the plane, remember the engine comes from Russia unless ws13/ws10 is used so China will have to be involved in the deal. The radars, avionics, missiles all come from China.

it's huge military and political case i don't know if decision makers inside Iran wanto involve Pakistan into this, like this ... their initial reaction was few visits to Beijing and Moscow then talking to people in Islamabad.

IMO no. China's J16 is far better than Su35. Nearly in everything. From the radar to the missiles, electronic Warfare, engines, everything is much better. But J16 is not available (China-Russia have an agreement about non exporting Su27 Chinese derivatives outside China).

I've read recent radar lock on two of Japan's F-15s as they reported near Okinawa(by J-15s?).

Same group of people that made first agreements can change it if they want to right ?.I've said 2000 Su27s and MiG derivatives comment .... based on mindset of public perspective both inside Iran and outside.Russia is in a unique position and it's understandable but even Russia as u stated can do wonders just by few pen moves and then we will see whom stands where (even if it's symbolic action )

And J10C is excellent and better even than Su35 in many fields.

But the reality It is that IRIAF needs a long range fighter. Irán is very big and have many high sensitive places to protect. Therefore IRIAF destiny is tied to long range fighter. But IRIAF have been interested in J10C and even most Telegram groups still talks about secrets agreement for purchasing J10CE. Even if that is true, the reality It is that Irán needs a long range fighter just now. And any other fighter would be postponed after incorporating a meaningful number of Su35. As Emirzad have appointed many times, it is a unavoidable necessity.

From official sources we know interest on Su30 and Su35 and few visits of defense minister to China.at least as far as i know it's like this

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

you are arguing with yourself. "Official experts inside Iran's military don't consider products of China as "low-end""

The J-10C now is considered the low-end for the PLAAF.

However, if Iran wants something better than the J-10C with the same price tag will be practically impossible.

As for those flanker derivatives like J-16/J-15/J-11B, China has to honor its promise with Russia.

The J-20 won’t be available for export, never mind the 6th gen fighters.

As for the J-35, Iran needs to develop deeper ties with China.

It seems that Iran is looking for a higher level fighter with the same price tag like the J-10C.

If this is the case, I don’t think any deal will be reached.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The J-10C now is considered the low-end for the PLAAF.

However, if Iran wants something better than the J-10C with the same price tag will be practically impossible.

As for those flanker derivatives like J-16/J-15/J-11B, China has to honor its promise with Russia.

The J-20 won’t be available for export, never mind the 6th gen fighters.

As for the J-35, Iran needs to develop deeper ties with China.

It seems that Iran is looking for a higher level fighter with the same price tag like the J-10C.

If this is the case, I don’t think any deal will be reached.

latest Iranian reports suggest that Iran is considering J-10CE. this is perfectly fine for Iranian requirements. and it is necessary to build a relationship and start somewhere, to one day progress to purchase of higher quality items like J-35.

 

[PakAl]

latest Iranian reports suggest that Iran is considering J-10CE. this is perfectly fine for Iranian requirements. and it is necessary to build a relationship and start somewhere, to one day progress to purchase of higher quality items like J-35.

J10CE is perfect for Iran, even better than su30s su35s, Jf17s, China is also always upgrading the planes with new technologies, this will benefit Iran in terms of upgrades after 7 to 10 years, new generation missiles, jamming etc. Then J35s can also be made available, Awaacs etc. Its cutting edge technology.