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Total failure of IRI intel, they should have smuggled these out.

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MIG-29s aren't a major "force-multiplier" for IRIAF when Iran is getting much more superior Su-35s anyway.

Best thing Iran can do now is study the Su-35s they're going to get so they can reverse-engineer it just like China bought the Su-27 first before they reverse-engineered it into J-11 fighter.
 
StrategicBear said:
MIG-29s aren't a major "force-multiplier" for IRIAF when Iran is getting much more superior Su-35s anyway.

Best thing Iran can do now is study the Su-35s they're going to get so they can reverse-engineer it just like China bought the Su-27 first before they reverse-engineered it into J-11 fighter.
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Something for free is better than nothing. Syria owes Iran billions. Doubtful Iran will recover much of that.

Iran should have offered all pilots of the airforce asylum if they arrive with aircraft. They could have flown low over Iraq and gotten into Iran quickly.
 
Emirzad said:
Total failure of IRI intel, they should have smuggled these out.

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Poor them. This is between sad and pathetic. Poor Syrians. IRIAF must do by herself. Any fleed Mig29 won't give a substantial difference as SteategiBear said... And would be pure gasoline for genocidal israelis and US supporters for more sanctions or isolation.
 
Emirzad said:
Such talks do happen, right now there are rumors over internet of Russia signing deal with DPRK to supply them with MIG-29 and SU-27 airframes against DPRK pumping more soldiers into Ukraine theatre.
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I for one will consider - and watch - something like this seriously.

Stranger things have in fact actually happened here in my own homeland.

Such as:-

In the early 1980's South Africa acquired 60 tonne's of LEU from China to fuel its two Koeberg power plants. Open market acquisition proving to be problematic for obvious reasons .

And secondly, in 1990 Armscor and Russia's Promexport initiated the first stage of developing and equipping SA combat a/c with a version of the Klimov RD-33 (dubbed SMR-95). Two of these actually flew. The mandatory UNSC arms embargo against South Africa still being very alive at that stage.

Emirzad said:
So yes this can happen but in Iranian case, the bigger question should be, does Iranian leadership even want these planes? do not underestimate the stubbornness of Ayatollahs when it comes to rebuilding IRIAF.
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Well yes... sometimes silence is the best answer.
Emirzad said:
I have a hard time believing Russia will be able to complete the 62 Flanker airframes order. (A) They do not have the capacity to manufacture these planes in high numbers while their own needs are above Iranian ones, even if we start with 12 airframes/per year then the order will be completed by 2029 (B) Post Ukraine war Russia will try to appease US/NATO at all costs so they can do the "S-300" again, they have a history of backstabbing Iran. Before S-300 there was Mig-29/31 fiasco in 90s.

I see some numbers delivered and then order being hanged by Moscow because of "sanctions".
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I agree with your reasoning on the numbers of planes & dates. Truth be told, my estimate of airframes required also amounted to --> 12 per annum. But, if the rumors of SU-27's via Russia to North Korea are true, then what stops Iran from receiving the rest of the Flankers (100 - 24 currently) ~74 in the form of upgraded second hand Flankers?

Regarding Moscow beginning to back-peddle on arms deals with Iran, face it, this can become a real problem. Especially come 20 Jan 2025.

Piet
 
Emirzad said:
Total failure of IRI intel, they should have smuggled these out.

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The failure is not IRIs. It is of the Syrian High Command and the Syrian Airforce. They had decided to abandon Assad, and that was fine. But - why did they remove their forces form the borders, air defence systems and airforce? Where are all these people ?

What happened to the co-ordination and controlled withdrawls that was taking place, to actually maintain some level of sovereign control over the borders and airspace ???

When the Syrian High command decided the end was there for Assad, why did they think that was also the end of the entire Syrian military aswell ?

Given what has happened - what will the new goverment do to discipline those officers who allowed all this infrastructure to get destroyed? Must be to cancel their pensions at a minimum, right ?

Had this been a "hard battle to the end" then i would understand the logic of disarray, but that is not what went down. The Syrian Army co-ordinated the fall of Assad with the rebels at the end. That was clear for all to see.

At least Saddam had the good sense to see his jets to Iran. Why was there no contingency planning ?

It will take tens of billions to replace all this and decades(and given the state of the economy this wont happen), simply because the Syrian High Command all went home. What did they think would happen ?????
 
StrategicBear said:
MIG-29s aren't a major "force-multiplier" for IRIAF when Iran is getting much more superior Su-35s anyway.

Best thing Iran can do now is study the Su-35s they're going to get so they can reverse-engineer it just like China bought the Su-27 first before they reverse-engineered it into J-11 fighter.
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Your comments are not very strategic in their thought.

This is what Israel has destroyed. Are you going to say the following had no combat capability ??? Seriously ??

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I count close to 196 jets, even if just 50% of that fleet was flight worthy, that is still a good level of military capability.
 
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Flotilla said:
Poor them. This is between sad and pathetic. Poor Syrians. IRIAF must do by herself. Any fleed Mig29 won't give a substantial difference as SteategiBear said... And would be pure gasoline for genocidal israelis and US supporters for more sanctions or isolation.
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These were MIG-29SMTs armed with HMD slaved R-73, R-77 ARH, Talisman EW pods. Their Zhuk-ME radars can track a F-15 at 150KM (5 m2 F-16 at 120). Add them to IRIAF's fleet (post hypothetical upgradation) and you have a top notch fleet of 54 MIG-29SMTs guarding the key points like oil terminals while SU-35S, F-14 (if it stays in service) can go for long range interceptions.

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Iran at one point will have to integrate interceptors with IADS completely. What that means:

1) Iranian airspace is HUGE which can only be covered by some 200+ 4+ generation SU-35S/J-16 like heavy KE airframes. Even if by some miracle we get these higher numbers the operating cost of these large foreign planes will be too much.

2) Iranian IADS is massive, modern and completely local. It has performed good before with interceptions and destruction of even stealth vehicles. Even recently if we go by Iranian version, it has intercepted a good amount of SOWs, even a British intel officer said Iranian HIMAD locked on F-35s. My point is considering Iranian huge geography IADS will have to completely control the manned/unmanned interceptions through datalinking with its own long ranged search-track assets. IADS will need some 120-150 manned and some 300 unmanned dedicated data-linked pure interceptors in this role. They have been using Datalinked-HOBS-WVR armed Karrar in this role over persian gulf in recent times. A group of Karrars some time ago was reported by Iranian AD official to have locked on a US P-8, this means IADS has its aerial interception wing. Why not give them manned aircrafts as well.

With 35 Billion USD budget, they need to procure or build these datalinked interceptors for point defence within IADS. Iranian IADS is getting layers after layers covered with HIMADS, SHORADS, suddenly you have MIG-29 taking same track info from IADS in real time while they can combine it up their own radars. This is why they should not have given up on Kowsar production.
 
Piet said:
I for one will consider - and watch - something like this seriously.

Stranger things have in fact actually happened here in my own homeland.

Such as:-

In the early 1980's South Africa acquired 60 tonne's of LEU from China to fuel its two Koeberg power plants. Open market acquisition proving to be problematic for obvious reasons .

And secondly, in 1990 Armscor and Russia's Promexport initiated the first stage of developing and equipping SA combat a/c with a version of the Klimov RD-33 (dubbed SMR-95). Two of these actually flew. The mandatory UNSC arms embargo against South Africa still being very alive at that stage.


Well yes... sometimes silence is the best answer.

I agree with your reasoning on the numbers of planes & dates. Truth be told, my estimate of airframes required also amounted to --> 12 per annum. But, if the rumors of SU-27's via Russia to North Korea are true, then what stops Iran from receiving the rest of the Flankers (100 - 24 currently) ~74 in the form of upgraded second hand Flankers?

Regarding Moscow beginning to back-peddle on arms deals with Iran, face it, this can become a real problem. Especially come 20 Jan 2025.

Piet
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If leadership was smart they would pressure Russia into selling Iran any old/stored MIG-29 airframe. Even if the rumor of TOT production of SU-35S and SU-30SM are true, Iran should procure as many airframes as possible for rainy days ahead.

Syrian opportunity missed shows how stupid our Ayatollahs really are.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Your comments are not very strategic in their thought.

This is what Israel has destroyed. Are you going to say the following had no combat capability ??? Seriously ??

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I count close to 196 jets, even if just 50% of that fleet was flight worthy, that is still a good level of military capability.
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If those 196 jets are a "good level of military capability", tell me what they could have done against Israel's F-35 5th generation STEALTH fighters???

None.

Only Chinese J-20s and J-35s can match Israel's F-35s, with no aircraft the Syrians have that can challenge Israel in Air Superiority.

Iran needs Su-35 minimum, and should get the J-35s from China in the near future.

Only 4.5 and 5th gen fighters are a strategic asset for Iran because many Western Air Forces are transitioning to 5th gen (even Pakistan, SK and Japan) and are developing 6th gen.

Therefore 4.5 gen is the bare minimum for today's standards in AF tech, and junk like MiG-29s and MiG-25s can't help much unless if they can be reconfigured to house AESA radars and fire AMRAAM-level missiles for air combat BVR.
 
Emirzad said:
Talisman EW pods are part of SMT package so they might end up in Iran if the hypothetical SMT conversion happens.

SU-35S uses world's most lethal ECM package, Khibiny, they are probably at Hamedan right now.
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Well, both of these should signify a significant contribution of high-tech to the local knowledge-tree.

I have always maintained that in the case of Khibiny at least, its impact both on the battlefield and the local understanding (EW) of it, will be determined with what so ever are actually unloaded from those Russian transport a/c.

Piet.
 
Emirzad said:
If leadership was smart they would pressure Russia into selling Iran any old/stored MIG-29 airframe. Even if the rumor of TOT production of SU-35S and SU-30SM are true, Iran should procure as many airframes as possible for rainy days ahead.
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No argument here.
 
There is no concrete evidence that the Kowsar project was abandoned and there is no logic in saying that. Where are the videos, photos, spider webs as evidence?
 
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