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[Ali_Baba]

^ Taghvaee saying SU-35S transfers have already stopped since Russia has once again midway chickened out of the full transfer order of 48 + 12. Probably 12-24 have already arrived. The IRIAF pilots who were trained in Russia on SU-35S are being transferred to Yak-130 (12 total).

Where is this from? Reference/source?

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

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I posted it in wrong thread

 

[ToddE]

US A-10Cs have arrived in Persian Gulf to be used against IRGCN's missile crafts in case of naval conflict. This virtually indicates towards something that USN still has no purpose built counter to the missile crafts/FACs/ Speed Boats of IRGCN.

I have been saying it for 2+ decades now that IRIAF/IRGCAF should have been re-built not just to guard the land but more importantly the surface fleet in Persian Gulf and beyond. IRIN/IRGCN fleet expanded rapidly in last few years while IRIAF regressed so this disbalance occured. Iran today operates ~20 Frigates/Corvettes, 32 Missile Crafts, 26 Submarines, 6 Forward Ocean Bases/including a drone carrier, 100+ missile/torpedo fast boats and the fleet is virtually naked from above and have to rely upon their own AD. Some of their naval AD is good against A-10 like Navab VLS AESA tracking SHORADS on Zolfaghars. To gaurd them from air, IRIAF should have had atleast 5 squadrons facing Persian Gulf of F-14AM (Fakour-90 Armed), SU-30S/SU-35S to operate at periphery of IADS HIMAD/SHORAD coverage. Instead they have upgraded F-4E/Ds for Martime Strike stationed on coastal FABs. IRI planners are dumb as hell, withoutout aircover, this will be Praying Mentis 2.0 only more devastating because the Iranian naval fleet is large as hell now.

 

[Flotilla]

US A-10Cs have arrived in Persian Gulf to be used against IRGCN's missile crafts in case of naval conflict. This virtually indicates towards something that USN still has no purpose built counter to the missile crafts/FACs/ Speed Boats of IRGCN.

I have been saying it for 2+ decades now that IRIAF/IRGCAF should have been re-built not just to guard the land but more importantly the surface fleet in Persian Gulf and beyond. IRIN/IRGCN fleet expanded rapidly in last few years while IRIAF regressed so this disbalance occured. Iran today operates ~20 Frigates/Corvettes, 32 Missile Crafts, 26 Submarines, 6 Forward Ocean Bases/including a drone carrier, 100+ missile/torpedo fast boats and the fleet is virtually naked from above and have to rely upon their own AD. Some of their naval AD is good against A-10 like Navab VLS AESA tracking SHORADS on Zolfaghars. To gaurd them from air, IRIAF should have had atleast 5 squadrons facing Persian Gulf of F-14AM (Fakour-90 Armed), SU-30S/SU-35S. Instead they have upgraded F-4E/Ds for Martime Strike stationed on coastal FABs. I hope IADS HIMAD/SHORAD coverage is strong there for now. IRI planners are dumb as hell.

New Kowsars with IR short range missiles would deal with them with high possibility of exit. Also those are highly vulnerable if IRGCN boats operate inside bubble of Khordad 3 or even Khordad 15. They're crazy if they use CAS missions profiles.

 

[ToddE]

New Kowsars with IR short range missiles would deal with them with high possibility of exit. Also those are highly vulnerable if IRGCN boats operate inside bubble of Khordad 3 or even Khordad 15. They're crazy if they use CAS missions profiles.

There are like few active Kowsars and Azaraksh HOBS WVR is purchased by IADS instead of IRIAF (was purpose built for F-14AM program).

For now, IADS should put as many Mobile TELAR of Khordad 3/15 at coast as possible for them. Had they been upgrading F-14AMs at regular pace, CAS would have been a suicide for the enemy but right now the IADS will have to fight in the sky for the large IRIN/IRGCN fleets. I am not sure if Naval HIMADS+SHORADS (Mehrab/Sayyad-2/3/Navab) are datalinked with land IADS. Where do they even take the search cues from considering the fleet is new and steadily getting their sensory suites.

 

[Lulldapull]

and here in the photo the seventh, if as previously they are delivered in pairs the Yak-130s already delivered to Iran should be 8
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You know this is a nail in the coffin of that nice Kowser trainer. Its going to die a slow death now.

 

[sahureka2]

You know this is a nail in the coffin of that nice Kowser trainer. Its going to die a slow death now.

The Yak-130 serves as a transition to the SU-35 which does not have a two-seater aircraft to do so.
It should also be remembered that to buy the YAK-130 you have to pay (dollars, rubles or national currency) and they go entirely to a foreign country, therefore, the total number of these aircraft will only cover the needs to train the SU-35 pilots.
So there is a lot of room to continue the Yasin project, which could improve performance if turbofan engines with Patent made in Iran or made under license are available.
To standardize if a suitable Iranian turbofan is not available, the same engine as the YAK-130 would be optimal.

Finally, I think that the only reasons that the Iranian authorities close the Yasin project would be:
1) The Yasin project ultimately turns out to be a total failure so much so that it would prove dangerous in operational use.
2) the Yasin project is closed because Iran obtains the license to build the YAK-130 including the turbofan.
or
3) Having received directly from Russia a number considered sufficient of YAK-130, they aim to create a single-engine jet trainer for the transition from propeller-driven trainer aircraft to jet, for example, an aircraft in the category of the Chinese K-8.

For this third hypothesis, in Iran they could in any case follow the path taken by MIG which is in the design phase of a single-engine version starting from the MIG-AT trainer.
Since the Yasin has similarities with the MIG-AT, the Iranian designers could eventually use a large number of the design studies already done, machinery, accessories, components and structural elements to create a Yasin with reduced dimensions and single engine

 

[Comandante]

Saudi Arabia has reportedly rejected the Chinese J35s, and Iran could make an offer to take them over at half price.

 

[OldTwilight]

Saudi Arabia has reportedly rejected the Chinese J35s, and Iran could make an offer to take them over at half price.

Chinese won't sell them to iran

 

[Shags101]

Chinese won't sell them to iran

No china would sell them but would Iran pay the lopsided price for them honestly it all depends if Iran is that desperate to get them they could probably have large batches within a year but I’m fairly sure Iran would want large long term deals in oil or minerals of Iran namely large discovery of lithium

 

[Hack-Hook]

SImorgh/IRan140 program is messed up by lack of budget. Iran does not need 50 of them, just may be 15-17 for Maritime Petrol, AEW&C and logistics.

Truth be told I see it as an ego project now, the ease with which Iran smuggles in these quite modern cargo jets means Simorgh is just not needed that much anymore.

Iran need that airplane or at least one modified version of it for civil aviation

 

[KHORSHIDSIYAH1488]

Chinese won't sell them to iran

No one will sell anything to Iran now, it's the 11th hour.

We will have to look at "the day after" to see politically first- then militarily- what Iran can buy or attain. It's safe to say Iran's defense industry will be severely damaged or even destroyed, Iran's best units and assets will be destroyed, and whatever Iran comes out of this will have to re-arm from complete scratch.

 

[Michael]

Saudi Arabia has reportedly rejected the Chinese J35s, and Iran could make an offer to take them over at half price.

100% fake news!

Chinese won't sell them to iran

This is an issue that can be discussed.
However, since you are being guided by so much incorrect information, I am not sure you are willing to discuss this issue calmly.

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SAC does have an exportable version of the J-35. However, they are in no rush to market it to other countries.
The PLAAF and PLA Navy have a huge demand for the J-35. The volume of these orders is enough to keep SAC busy for many years.

Half price? What kind of sweet dream are you dreaming about?

 

[royalharris]

Saudi Arabia has reportedly rejected the Chinese J35s, and Iran could make an offer to take them over at half price.

It won't be sell to Iran even at double the price
It's not worth it.
unless iran pay something can't be rejected

 

[Sultan Baybars]

Why are Russia and China not upgrading Iran’s Air Force ?

Iran need to update its Air Force and they have the money for it. And Russia and China both have a massive airforce sector.

What is the problem here?