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[MH.Yang]

People talking about buying fighter jets from China while Chinese governmental company like Huawei doesn't put Iran in list of countries ...


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Do you realize that Huawei is a private company that owns a lot of assets in the West? There are countless state owned enterprises in China that don't give a damn about western sanctions, so why don't you choose Chinese state owned enterprises?

Just choose Chinese SOEs and Kunlun Bank to ignore sanctions, that's the Russians answer, Iran can just copy the answer.

 

[LX1111]

China has deep pockets my friend. China is an industrial power. Beside a large manpower can be gathered in shortest possible time. A disciplined workforce that a country like Iran lacks it.

All these reasons point to the fact that comparing China to Iran's production capability is not logical.

Why we first went for copying the F-5 is because its a good platform for developing capable 4th generation aircrafts with an eye on 5th generation. Its a twin engine platform which can be upgraded to F-18-20 class in the future (just bigger and different engine/radar). And with stealth coating, hidden engines equipped with cold gas in the exhaust section, you can make it a stealth jet excluding cruising capability which is out of reach for Iran for a foreseeable future.

It's a hard way with limited budget but not impossible. Till reaching this capability in the local defense industry, we have to rely on aerospace forces backed by air defense network.

The F5 was a US military aid fighter during the Cold War. It had a small fuselage, limited range, and its aerodynamic design was only at the 1960s level. Iran tries its best, it can only upgrade to the F20 level.
MiG29 is a project that Russia has abandoned, and its production equipment has been idle for many years. Iran can buy it very cheaply.
Moreover, the MIG35 has been upgraded with digital fly-by-wire flight control, 1553B data bus, AESA radar, and RD93MA, a new fighter.
If the Iranians could spend a little more money to purchase the MIG35 technology, then Iran could easily have a standard 4.5 generation fighter.
This has nothing to do with the budget. The money Iran spent on the F14/F5 is enough to make its own MIG35

 

[muhammed45]

The F5 was a US military aid fighter during the Cold War. It had a small fuselage, limited range, and its aerodynamic design was only at the 1960s level. Iran tries its best, it can only upgrade to the F20 level.
MiG29 is a project that Russia has abandoned, and its production equipment has been idle for many years. Iran can buy it very cheaply.
Moreover, the MIG35 has been upgraded with digital fly-by-wire flight control, 1553B data bus, AESA radar, and RD93MA, a new fighter.
If the Iranians could spend a little more money to purchase the MIG35 technology, then Iran could easily have a standard 4.5 generation fighter.
This has nothing to do with the budget. The money Iran spent on the F14/F5 is enough to make its own MIG35

Russia offered Mig-35 to Iran. Problem with a fighter in that class is its good for a landlocked and a passive country such as Azerbaijan.

You say we can only reach F-20, I say, let's give it a try.

Unlike others, I am not in a hurry to say that Iran immediately needs to buy a fighter jet. The military and IRGC are functioning well.

 

[Hack-Hook]

1. Hasan Rohani's PhD dissertation which is basically nonsense and irrelevant to International Law. It is believed it was written by someone else for him as he does not speak a word of English, particularly for a major like law which requires the highest degree of fluency in English and Latin. Numerous parts of his dissertation have been plagiarized verbatim, even though cited.
2. Khatami's daughter (Leila) visiting Harvard University as a scholar even though she was a pretty mediocre student at University of Tehran and the entire faculty of mathematics at Tehran University helped her graduate.
3. Thousands of reformists whose families live abroad in the US, Canada, England and other countries in the West.
4. The snapback mechanism that Zarif put in the JCPOA to give Europe incredible amount of influence over Iran.
5. The fact that they promote good relations with the West after the West betrays Iran every time. The fact that Rohani visited Italy and France as soon as the sanctions were temporarily lifted to buy junk products from these second-class economies.

One can write an encyclopedia about how the reformists are Western slaves while the conservatives are Russian slaves.

Are you believe those are the reason west support reformists.
What i see is west undermine the reformists.
Like pulling out of jcpoa or calling Iran axis of evil or attacking Iran and collectively supporting the invader.


But I see is what west you result in increasing the power of conservatives.

by the way didn't pezeshkian mor focused on improving relation with east than West.

 

[Hack-Hook]

China is an alternative, but the best alternative is to rely on your domestic capabilities and fund them, instead of cancelling strategic projects, or underfunding your army.

At last something we agree on.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The F5 was a US military aid fighter during the Cold War. It had a small fuselage, limited range, and its aerodynamic design was only at the 1960s level. Iran tries its best, it can only upgrade to the F20 level.
MiG29 is a project that Russia has abandoned, and its production equipment has been idle for many years. Iran can buy it very cheaply.
Moreover, the MIG35 has been upgraded with digital fly-by-wire flight control, 1553B data bus, AESA radar, and RD93MA, a new fighter.
If the Iranians could spend a little more money to purchase the MIG35 technology, then Iran could easily have a standard 4.5 generation fighter.
This has nothing to do with the budget. The money Iran spent on the F14/F5 is enough to make its own MIG35

F5 can reach f20 level which was superior to f16 at the time .if only we consider 40 years old techs
Now conder what f20 could become if politician didn't offered the contract to General dynamics

F20 was more capable and cheaper has better radar lower rcs was more compact and could scramble way faster had better more efficient and more powerful engine could fly higher and had higher rate of climb than f16 its AoA could not be matched it's only downside was 10-15 percent less range and carrying two less missile.

 

[OldTwilight]

F5 can reach f20 level which was superior to f16 at the time .if only we consider 40 years old techs
Now conder what f20 could become if politician didn't offered the contract to General dynamics

F20 was more capable and cheaper has better radar lower rcs was more compact and could scramble way faster had better more efficient and more powerful engine could fly higher and had higher rate of climb than f16 its AoA could not be matched it's only downside was 10-15 percent less range and carrying two less missile.

That doesn't matter, if we don't build 4th and 4.5th gen fighter gen, no one will even offer 5th gen fighter ...

we need at least 500-550 fighters to cover our sky ... buying 550 fighter jet from aboard is very expensive .... if we build these fighters inside Iran, then we can build at least 500 civil aircraft as well, with 1000 fighter and aircraft, we can have functional air industry in iran which will make job for 10000 technicians ...

 

[FUB]

That doesn't matter, if we don't build 4th and 4.5th gen fighter gen, no one will even offer 5th gen fighter ...

we need at least 500-550 fighters to cover our sky ... buying 550 fighter jet from aboard is very expensive .... if we build these fighters inside Iran, then we can build at least 500 civil aircraft as well, with 1000 fighter and aircraft, we can have functional air industry in iran which will make job for 10000 technicians ...

All that has been built over the last two decades is a dozen reverse-engineered F5s. What makes you think that Iran can build 500 Gen 4s?

 

[OldTwilight]

All that has been built over the last two decades is a dozen reverse-engineered F5s. What makes you think that Iran can build 500 Gen 4s?

The problem is that it never become really top priority projects , its was like this:

1- missile force ( best in region )
2- AD ( moving toward become best in region )
3- Air force ( shouldnt lake behind number 1 and number 2 )

 

[FUB]

The problem is that it never become really top priority projects , its was like this:

1- missile force ( best in region )
2- AD ( moving toward become best in region )
3- Air force ( shouldnt lake behind number 1 and number 2 )

2- AD? It is doubtful. We will see in the next round,.Hopefully, they have the house in order.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The problem is that it never become really top priority projects , its was like this:

1- missile force ( best in region )
2- AD ( moving toward become best in region )
3- Air force ( shouldnt lake behind number 1 and number 2 )

Our air defense lacked in number.
But loot at how many air defence Ukraine had and how many we had.
And also look at how many short range air defence we had and how we lacked the capability to deal with swarm.

Our lack of adequate amount of air defence equipment was clear when Mr. Khamenei went to another city they had to send an airdefence battalion in front of him

 

[OldTwilight]

Our air defense lacked in number.
But loot at how many air defence Ukraine had and how many we had.
And also look at how many short range air defence we had and how we lacked the capability to deal with swarm.

Our lack of adequate amount of air defence equipment was clear when Mr. Khamenei went to another city they had to send an airdefence battalion in front of him

The initial versions were created, the quantity was not enough which with spending more money it would be solved ...
And Fighter jets could use the knowledge gained in Missile Tech and AD Tech ...

 

[Flotilla]

China has deep pockets my friend. China is an industrial power. Beside a large manpower can be gathered in shortest possible time. A disciplined workforce that a country like Iran lacks it.

This is, excuse for my language, pure BS.

Iran shown a industrial capability designing and producing tens of thousand ballistic missiles, some of them storaged after 20 years used and working perfectly in TPIII.

The problem of Iran is simple. Iran have NOT money and the only money left have to be used in something with credible deterrence. It has been the extraordinary ballistic missile force the one that stablished deterrence. So Iran did it well.

There is a huge problem with air force and air defense. But the decision of investing the avaiable money in ballistic missile force proved to be the correct decision.

 

[Yasser76]

This is, excuse for my language, pure BS.

Iran shown a industrial capability designing and producing tens of thousand ballistic missiles, some of them storaged after 20 years used and working perfectly in TPIII.

The problem of Iran is simple. Iran have NOT money and the only money left have to be used in something with credible deterrence. It has been the extraordinary ballistic missile force the one that stablished deterrence. So Iran did it well.

There is a huge problem with air force and air defense. But the decision of investing the avaiable money in ballistic missile force proved to be the correct decision.

Correct decison? Israel is now treating Iranian air space like Lebanese air space.

 

[Flotilla]

Correct decison? Israel is now treating Iranian air space like Lebanese air space.

Really?. How many times Iranian Air space have been violated?.

Moreover. Do you think that 36 J10C or Su35 would deterrent Israel?.

The only thing that Israel fears It is Kheybar Shekan, Fattah 1 and Khorramshar 4 respectively.

That is the evidence that Iran bet correctly.