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[Deino]

The potential availability of the J-10CE production line presents a strategic opportunity for Pakistan to acquire this capability as a comprehensive package. Pakistan should prioritize securing this deal, whether through financing arrangements or other means, as it is critical for bolstering its defense industry. By acquiring the production line, Pakistan could manufacture over 200 J-10CE aircraft domestically, incorporating its own modifications to meet specific operational requirements. Furthermore, with China's consent and potential collaboration, Pakistan could explore exporting these aircraft to other nations, generating economic benefits and strengthening defense ties. This move aligns with Pakistan's long-term goals of enhancing self-reliance in defense manufacturing and expanding its role in the global arms market.

Pakistan will never get CAC's production line for the J-10C! Forget this ...

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Pakistan will never get CAC's production line for the J-10C! Forget this ...

yes i accept it seems unlikely but there is no wrong in trying and asking for it?

 

[Persian Gulf]

I don't now , I'm also certain building several hundred of those majid truck cost less than the damage of those drones .

My only guess is that majid was a prototype and not a finished project that they had to rush out of the research facilities to deal with drones.
pobably we later see a version of majid with a gun also added to dead to deal with drones and swarms and they produce it

I doubt Majid was a prototype, we saw a significant number of them in use in different branches

the line between prototype and production model is quite blurred in Iran

 

[MH.Yang]

China's ambassador to Israel told that to the Israelis.

I don't know where you're getting your information from, but according to sources inside China, the Chinese government will probably agree to export 40 J-10Cs and some KJ-500s to Iran this time around. and the Iranian government has agreed to honor its commitments in the 25-year agreement.

I guess Iranian govt may tear up the agreement with India on Chabahar port.

 

[ShapurII]

the line between prototype and production model is quite blurred in Iran

It seems that they never took the possibility of an actual war seriously.
They thought they were unreachable because Israel was far from Iran and the US seemed not interested in a ground invasion. Now they're surprised that they're not unreachable.

I'm really worried that most of our weapons have not been mass produced, just like Bavar-373.

 

[muz]

It seems that they never took the possibility of an actual war seriously.
They thought they were unreachable because Israel was far from Iran and the US seemed not interested in a ground invasion. Now they're surprised that they're not unreachable.

I'm really worried that most of our weapons have not been mass produced, just like Bavar-373.

Well a large number of your production facilities were either destroyed or damaged so to even replace the current losses its gonna take a long time

 

[ShapurII]

Well a large number of your production facilities were either destroyed or damaged so to even replace the current losses its gonna take a long time

We don't know that for sure. The issue is not to replace the current ones, the problem is that we didn't have a large enough stock of these weapons to begin with.
I mean when you run your mouth about the world's most powerful army almost every week and chant "Death to America" at Friday prayers, you'd better have something to defend yourself. It seems that they thought their propaganda and bragging would discourage the US, and it worked, until Trump called their bluff and exposed them as the loud mouth losers they are.

 

[muz]

We don't know that for sure. The issue is not to replace the current ones, the problem is that we didn't have a large enough stock of these weapons to begin with.
I mean when you run your mouth about the world's most powerful army almost every week and chant "Death to America" at Friday prayers, you'd better have something to defend yourself. It seems that they thought their propaganda and bragging would discourage the US, and it worked, until Trump called their bluff and exposed them as the loud mouth losers they are.

at least the missile production facilities were hit there is documented video evidence out there and major lesson for iran dont invest all your capcities in proxy forces because when they are nuetrilized and your enemy comes for your throat you be caught with your pants down

 

[vmro]

You obviously do not know the military details of the Vietnam War.

Sure, you can say that the US 'lost' the war, but then you would have to explain why did the US have complete autonomy over North Vietnam airspace.

I suppose you are American, do you, as American citizen, think that USA should be ultimate Iranian enemy in that regia, as American interest, or is expensive proxy favor for zionistic regime???

 

[alireza]

Does Iran have the capability to modernize its Mig29? Would Russia help and allow it? Mig29M2 with R77 and upgraded R73 would better help provide point defense for Tehran where they are stationed. It can go after drones and cruise missiles. Ukraine had some success with the Mig29's. Iran has about 24 Mig 29's but if they can acquire used ones from Russia and have about 48 Mig29M2 alongside the Yak130 is better point defense for Tehran and Tabriz lets say.

Iran could get the R77 from Venezuela to study and potentially try to reproduce.

 

[tsunset]

Does Iran have the capability to modernize its Mig29? Would Russia help and allow it? Mig29M2 with R77 and upgraded R73 would better help provide point defense for Tehran where they are stationed. It can go after drones and cruise missiles. Ukraine had some success with the Mig29's. Iran has about 24 Mig 29's but if they can acquire used ones from Russia and have about 48 Mig29M2 alongside the Yak130 is better point defense for Tehran and Tabriz lets say.

Iran could get the R77 from Venezuela to study and potentially try to reproduce.

Russia will ask to move our mig-29 fleet to Russia for modernization, then never return them on some pretext of "UN sanctions"

They already tried to disarm us from our Kilo submarines

Russia is unreliable

 

[alireza]

Russia will ask to move our mig-29 fleet to Russia for modernization, then never return them on some pretext of "UN sanctions"

They already tried to disarm us from our Kilo submarines

Russia is unreliable

So Russia refuses to modernize them inside Iran.
Can Iran not modernize the planes themselves a bit? Could they seek help from China? Maybe Algeria? Make a deal to help Algeria produce its own missiles and drones in exchange for help modernizing the Mig29 and Sukhio24's.
Venuezela (close ally) has the R77 missile, could Iran get a unit to study and try reverse engineering.

 

[tsunset]

So Russia refuses to modernize them inside Iran.
Can Iran not modernize the planes themselves a bit? Could they seek help from China? Maybe Algeria? Make a deal to help Algeria produce its own missiles and drones in exchange for help modernizing the Mig29 and Sukhio24's.
Venuezela (close ally) has the R77 missile, could Iran get a unit to study and try reverse engineering.

It's not confirmed whether Russia would ask to bring them to Russia, but i am very certain they would ask to modernize them in Russia and block them there under UN sanctions pretext

The Iranian modernization wouldn't go far, same modernization as F-4 and F-14, very limited and would be limited to one or two plane while the others stays outdated

 

[Sami_1]

Regardless of everything, there is international sympathy for Iran, and there is also a desire by some countries to support Iran. Relying on the superpowers makes you a hostage to their agreements and interests. However, Iran can obtain support even from Russia.

Like Russia, they can send upgrade components for the Russian aircraft serving the Iranian Air Force. North Korea can also support Iran by equipping its aircraft with the Korean BVR missiles that North Korea offers to use. They can also use aging MIG-29 aircraft to improve their efficiency.

Iran can obtain engines and some airframes from countries that previously owned F-4s to restore part of the fleet to service. Perhaps, by integrating Chinese radars, they could play a role. The same applies to the MIRAGE F1 aircraft. Iran can revive them by acquiring some of them from countries that previously owned them.

Although these upgrades won't play a significant role, if Iran is serious about acquiring 40 Chinese aircraft, the availability of Chinese J-10C fighters for Iran will make Israel more cautious about entering Iranian airspace.

Published The Israelis have information that Iran has obtained Russian air defense systems such as the Russian S-300, which is used, and Chinese systems. They are also spreading rumors about Egyptian-Iranian cooperation in air defense systems as well, which is what made the Iranians repair the damage to the air defense systems that were damaged last month. The Iranians are in a race against time to improve their defensive capabilities to be more effective than what happened in previous confrontations.

 

[Watandar]

You obviously do not know the military details of the Vietnam War.

Sure, you can say that the US 'lost' the war, but then you would have to explain why did the US have complete autonomy over North Vietnam airspace.

The US didnt have any such autonomy. Air losses during Vietnam war were massive :

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is even a website dedicated to all the huge numbers of servicemen lost in Vietnam : https://www.vietnamairlosses.com/