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[Shags101]

The US didnt have any such autonomy. Air losses during Vietnam war were massive :

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is even a website dedicated to all the huge numbers of servicemen lost in Vietnam : https://www.vietnamairlosses.com/

Even I knew that one Vietnam wasn’t a walk in the park for anyone especially for American troops yes they definitely lost that war because they did better than their adversary in the air doesn’t hide the massive losses American forces sustained in the air and those on the land damn I have this guy on ignore but he could have used any of the gulf wars to highlight American air dominance ground forces even faired better depending what phases we are talking about in each war

 

[gambit]

The US didnt have any such autonomy. Air losses during Vietnam war were massive :

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is even a website dedicated to all the huge numbers of servicemen lost in Vietnam : https://www.vietnamairlosses.com/

That just goes to show you next to nothing about air combat.

The vast majority of those air losses came from air defense, not from air-air. Defense means you wait until your opponent come to you. It also mean your opponent has complete access to your airspace.

Operation Bolo...

Operation Bolo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To sum it up, no guns F-4s shot down 1/2 of North Vietnam MIG-21s. That is air superiority.

 

[Watandar]

That just goes to show you next to nothing about air combat.

The vast majority of those air losses came from air defense, not from air-air. Defense means you wait until your opponent come to you. It also mean your opponent has complete access to your airspace.

Operation Bolo...

Operation Bolo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To sum it up, no guns F-4s shot down 1/2 of North Vietnam MIG-21s. That is air superiority.

Ok sir, losing 10k aircraft over Vietnam equals air superiority and America also won the war ! Huuah!!

 

[gambit]

Ok sir, losing 10k aircraft over Vietnam equals air superiority and America also won the war ! Huuah!!

US airpower had complete access to North Vietnam's airspace, do you deny that?

 

[Watandar]

US airpower had complete access to North Vietnam's airspace, do you deny that?

They had access to not only North Vietnam but Cambodia and Laos as well, since we know how liberally the US bombed all three states while attempting to stop the Ho Chi Minh trail (the supply routes). But those American attacks did not go unchallenged and thousands of aircraft and servicemen were lost. Hence the US never had air superiority over North Vietnam.

We have gone off topic though. Have a nice day.

 

[gambit]

We have gone off topic though. Have a nice day.

Yeah...That is the usual response I get when the issue about US airpower got too details.

 

[Sipahsalar]

The F5 was a US military aid fighter during the Cold War. It had a small fuselage, limited range, and its aerodynamic design was only at the 1960s level. Iran tries its best, it can only upgrade to the F20 level.
MiG29 is a project that Russia has abandoned, and its production equipment has been idle for many years. Iran can buy it very cheaply.
Moreover, the MIG35 has been upgraded with digital fly-by-wire flight control, 1553B data bus, AESA radar, and RD93MA, a new fighter.
If the Iranians could spend a little more money to purchase the MIG35 technology, then Iran could easily have a standard 4.5 generation fighter.
This has nothing to do with the budget. The money Iran spent on the F14/F5 is enough to make its own MIG35

F 5 is Americas jf 17. The problem is not the platform which is capable but the outdated armaments and avionics and there is no route to improving them. But it can still be used in an effective ground attack roles with a targeting pod and pgms.

Why invest into mig29 when Russia has abandoned it? Next project should be something that can be updated further and not a dead end.

I think j10c is the best option for Iran for air superiority and f5s can be used for ground attack with something like the ROSE upgrade for Pakistan mirages.

 

[Sipahsalar]

The FAB (Brazilian Air Force) has made the F-5 (F-5EM) one of the most capable fighters by modernizing it with the support of local industry. It has been in service with the FAB for 50 years.

Brazil’s Upgraded Tiger IIs Might Be The Most Capable F-5s In The World

Local industry has just completed a wide-ranging modernization program for the Brazilian F-5 Tiger II fleet.

www.twz.com

The difference between Brazil and Iran is that we have an AWACS (Embraer E-99M) and SIGINT (Embraer R-99) fleet for support and force multiplier.

As I said, f 5 is Americas jf 17. It’s capable with proper integration and upgrades.

 

[Sinan]

Iran can build quite a powerful air force when the time is right and when the nation isnt a pariah anymore. That alone would be enough to keep the real regional rivals Turkey, Iraq, Saudi etc in their place.

The first thing you need to understand is Turkey is not Iran's rival nor Iran is Turkey's rival. We have no reason to be rival.

A stable and prosperous Syria, Iraq and Iran would benefits Turkey the most. Yet all 3 are in shambles.

 

[StrategicBear]

Yeah...That is the usual response I get when the issue about US airpower got too details.

USAF still got planes shot down and pilots killed in Vietnam War, which has still yet to happen in any US military interventions against the present-day Houthis.

Shooting down enemy planes in war is significant, as it's something Houthis and Iran has yet to be able to do...

 

[Flotilla]

US airpower had complete access to North Vietnam's airspace, do you deny that?

Well... After Linebacker operation... Complete complete...

 

[LX1111]

F 5 is Americas jf 17. The problem is not the platform which is capable but the outdated armaments and avionics and there is no route to improving them. But it can still be used in an effective ground attack roles with a targeting pod and pgms

BVR depends not only on missiles and radar, but also on the aircraft's climb and acceleration performance.
Even if Iran upgrades the F5 to the F20 standard
At best, it is just at the level of JF17black1.

Why invest into mig29 when Russia has abandoned it? Next project should be something that can be updated further and not a dead end

It is because Russia gave up the MiG-29
So this aircraft is cheap enough
Russia is also willing to transfer more technology

I think j10c is the best option for Iran for air superiority and f5s can be used for ground attack with something like the ROSE upgrade for Pakistan mirages

Ten years ago, Iran gave up on buying the J10A, now I wonder if it will give up on the J10C
The MiG-29 solution I mentioned is the best solution for Iran's domestically produced fighter jets.It’s also the most economical solution.
You don't have enough money to buy more than 200 F15SA like Saudi Arabia，
A large amount of funds are taken by the Revolutionary Guard

 

[Persian Gulf]

stay on topic

 

[BigMela2onin]

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IRIAF planes have not yet returned to Iran after a month.

 

[Comandante]

Maybe someone will process the part about the 12 days involving the air force. I haven't heard that the Israelis shot down a Persian plane in an air war, but they were certainly active, especially as long as the air defenses were able to support them.