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[TallGuy]

friend or foe systems should be able to navigate that. presumably you can distinguish between a f-14 and a f-35

Israel showed footage of them hitting 5 F-14s in total. 2 of them were known to be inactive and used for spare parts, but the others were likely active. but hitting 5 F-14s on the ground doesn't explain what happened to the rest of them and the mig-29s etc

did we see Iranian jets doing patrols during the war? there was one drone seen over Tehran which people debated whether it was a Shaheed-129 or an Israeli drone, but I don't regularly seeing Iranian jets in the skies

if they managed to shoot down drones with jets they would probably have boasted about it

so can you give a rough estimate of IRIAF operational aircraft if any left?

I thought all MiG-29/F5E/F-4E/RF4E at Tabrez/Hamdan were lost

 

[BigMela2onin]

so can you give a rough estimate of IRIAF operational aircraft if any left?

I thought all MiG-29/F5E/F-4E/RF4E at Tabrez/Hamdan were lost

As far as I know, no MiG-29 or F-4s were lost, a few F-5s and a couple of mothballed F-14s that were not in service were destroyed on the ground.

 

[TallGuy]

As far as I know, no MiG-29 or F-4s were lost, a few F-5s and a couple of mothballed F-14s that were not in service were destroyed on the ground.

Thats for me! hard to digest! no Airforce or its pilot's worth their salt will sit when enemy is actively operating against sovereign nation.

they should have scrambled and attempt to fight - Intent is everything! yes sure they would have been shot down - but message is transmitted to enemy that Iran stands tall and will fight even with old equipment.

alas all this not worth it!

 

[Flotilla]

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Again the Karrar and Magid AD-08.

IMO this UCAV have no chance against a modern 4g aircraft.

-It is purely subsonic.

-it has no real situational awarness. It has no onboard radar and no onboard IRST. Also has no RWR.

-Relies entirely in IADS radar Network and radio command guidance (It has not even Satcomm capability). That makes It extremely vulnerable to jamming. If radio link between ground station and aircraft is interrupted the UCAV is lost.

But It is a good basis to work in a real Air to Air UCAV. With onboard radar and RWR It should be easier to give it capability of autonomous track and search and with IFF capability of destroy other slow movers UAV and helicopters.

This concept It is more advanced that some european UAVs. But don't be demanding It is still too soon and not too much advanced.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Thats for me! hard to digest! no Airforce or its pilot's worth their salt will sit when enemy is actively operating against sovereign nation.

they should have scrambled and attempt to fight - Intent is everything! yes sure they would have been shot down - but message is transmitted to enemy that Iran stands tall and will fight even with old equipment.

alas all this not worth it!

No, our pilots don't need to throw their lives away for the sake of a message. Martyrdom culture has been an utter disaster for our military thinking.

 

[TallGuy]

No, our pilots don't need to throw their lives away for the sake of a message. Martyrdom culture has been an utter disaster for our military thinking.

WOW! You are wrong at so many levels - take it back! where is your nationalistic pride!

you think AF pilot is a Taxi Driver?

WOW! WOW! throw the lives - damn it! when you serve you die for your country!

 

[ShapurII]

WOW! You are wrong at so many levels - take it back! where is your nationalistic pride!

you think AF pilot is a Taxi Driver?

WOW! WOW! throw the lives - damn it! when you serve you die for your country!

Do you think a pilot is a fancy suicide bomber?
Treat your soldiers like dirt during war and they'll refuse your orders or even help the enemy next time.

The problem was not our pilots. The problem was decision makers that let the IRIAF die with lame excuses like we have ballistic missiles instead.

 

[TallGuy]

Do you think a pilot is a fancy suicide bomber?
Treat your soldiers like dirt during war and they'll refuse your orders or even help the enemy next time.

The problem was not our pilots. The problem was decision makers that let the IRIAF die with lame excuses like we have ballistic missiles instead.

but he should take his post back and apologize.

from where i am from soldier or pilot will give his life for the country. IRIAF pilot have given the life in name of Country in Iran-Iraq War --its not good that he downplaying there sacrifice.

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yes that is what i was trying to ask was it the government that grounded the Airforce whatever they had for the fear of losses.

that is one bad military strategy. look at Vietnam! for God sake!

 

[ShapurII]

but he should take his post back and apologize.

from where i am from soldier or pilot will give his life for the country.

Only when they have been given the proper equipment to fight.
It's like I ask you to jump from a tower without giving you a parachute.
Should I blame you if you refuse to do that?

yes that is what i was trying to ask was it the government that grounded the Airforce whatever they had for the fear of losses.

that is one bad military strategy. look at Vietnam! for God sake!

The government in Iran usually refers to the executive body. The executive body in Iran has very limited power when it comes to our armed forces.
It was the entire Ayatollah regime that did this treason to one of the best air forces in Asia.

 

[TallGuy]

Only when they have been given the proper equipment to fight.
It's like I ask you to jump from a tower without giving you a parachute.
Should I blame you if you refuse to do that?

Soldiers Follow orders! there are lot of occasions where missions are flown with knowledge that they may never return. but they do it! for the country.

Against USAAF/USN look how Vietnam with ancient tech flew and fought - yes, they took losses yes! but their name is engraved in history! there Valor their courage! in times when everything seems lost/gloomy - you need heroes! so as a Nation can stand up!

you have heroes! those who manned Air defenses when they knew they will die. still fought. you have heroes who took the missile launchers out and fired at the entity!

celebrate them with honor! that they deserve.

 

[Shafagh]

so can you give a rough estimate of IRIAF operational aircraft if any left?

I thought all MiG-29/F5E/F-4E/RF4E at Tabrez/Hamdan were lost

There is no evidence of this as of yet, I really hope they moved them to the east.

 

[ToddE]

نرود میخ آهنی در سنگ
اینها اگه می‌خواستن بفهمن تا الان فهمیده بودن

خطر اصلی ایران دیگه خود آمریکا نیست
آمریکا اصلاً نیازی به اینکه با ایران مستقیم درگیر بشه نداره وقتی حتی با جنگ با بازوهاش تو منطقه مثل اسرائیل و ترکیه هم می‌تونه ایران رو شکست بده

خطر اصلی ایران الان ترکیه و امارات و آذربایجان هستند
بدون نیروهوایی از هرکدوم از این کشورها شکست می‌خوریم
نیازی هم به اسرائیل و آمریکا نیست​

سپاه با موشکاش می‌تونه این کشورا رو نابود کنه چون هیچ‌کدومشون پدافند هوایی در حد اسرائیل ندارن....... مشکل اینه که پدافند خود ایران از دور می‌خوره واسه همینه که یه نیروی هوایی قوی با جنگنده‌های درست‌وحسابی لازمه تا قبل از این‌که تهدید برسه آسمون ایران جمعش کنه.

 

[ToddE]

so can you give a rough estimate of IRIAF operational aircraft if any left?

I thought all MiG-29/F5E/F-4E/RF4E at Tabrez/Hamdan were lost

2 non flying F-14A's or their decoys that sat on Tarmac for years were targeted. No evidence of any other jet destroyed exists other than this.

Tom Cooper is probably the most experienced author outside Iran on IRIAF. He wrote an article on this.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/isr...coys-instead-israel-iran-ceasefire-announced/

Here you can see an F-14AM's 1:1 decoy being transported. IRIAF is known for years to be in possession of possibly hundreds of 1:1 decoys including Jets and helis.

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There is an entire IRGC related organization in Esfahan whose job is to produce the most exact looking decoys of F-14, F-4, F-5, MIG-29, AH-1J, Bell rangers helis etc I think they create MBT, AD batteries decoys as well. Such a long range strike through an ALBM, ALCM, long ranged SOW or PGM with refueling means enemy wastes millions of USD on this plastic and wood. Some bases have more decoys than actual airframes. You see government might have killed IRIAF through budget cuts but its a very professional force. Had they been as lucky as IRGCAF is with its budget, it would have been a devastating force like it once was.

 

[ToddE]

Btw guys, T Cooper reporting only 22 airframes means F-14 fleet is gone for good and with them Iran now has no long ranged BVR option left. From here Mullahs can either re-arm the IRIAF with air-superiority fighters that can fight outside IADS cover (over PG or Iraq) or just resort to even more powering IRGCAF for reciprocating missile strikes (most likely) for deterrence.

Re-arming IRIAF means Iran buys minimum of 120 SU-35S/30SM or hypothetical equivalents from China. Train the pilots on them for years to work in Datalinked scenarios with IADS/AWACS/GWACS, engage enemy over Iraq and PG, launch BVR thwart attacks, reciprocate ALBM launches etc. Current IRIAF runs on 200 million USD joke of a budget a year. They will need to enhance the budget to 3 Billion USD a year for this. This sounds expensive but it will frustrate enemy and save Iranian citizen and military lives that IRI loves to waste.

Other scenario means IRGCAF takes 50-60% of the hypothetical 30+ Billion USD budget (remains to be seen), produces a new bulk of Fattah I/II hypersonic, KS-I/II skip glide vehicles. Deploy submunitioned and MIRVed K-4/Sejjil. Get more TELs, invest in more widely spread underground launch mechanisms etc. This means Iran will take enemy hits from outside Iranian borders that will result in civilian deaths but will refuse to be dettered and keep giving back to enemy.

 

[studsmart]

it is very unfortunate for iran not to have an airforce ... this shows how poor planning is in Iranian establishment. having a rocket force and air defense is good, but not having a credible air force is very bad. Over the last 45 years, with the support of China and Russia, Iran has demonstrated its inability to produce a credible 4th-generation fighter that can replace all 3rd- and 2.5-generation examples in its air force. Very unfortunate. But wait, is this not the issue with all Middle Eastern countries? Except for Turkey and Pakistan, no muslim majority nation has any credible air force. Malaysia has good planning, but a critical mass is missing. Except for Turkey and Pakistan, no muslim majority country has any credible local aviation base, including Iran ... a very sorry state.