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[Navigator]

since 2015 u had plenty time for building up ur airforce.
U can still do, beg china J10+J16+j35+AWACS+Refueling Tanker+Satellite intelligence capabilities. If only china takes the fatal risk for unworthy partner like u.

In reality Iran didn't have many opportunities for this before this year. Up to Oct 2020 there was still de-facto UNSC embargo on military jets etc. After 2020 there also were limits. It should be borne in mind that the J-10C version began to export only in the 2020s. And the first customer - Pakistan began to receive J-10C only from 2022. In any case, Iran could not get these aircraft earlier than Pakistan, due to close ties between China and Pakistan.
The J-16 fighter jets China doesn't export In principle, same as J-20 and J-15.
J-35 ready for export, but while the first J-35s only in this year enters in the service of the PLAAF\PLANAF and again, most likely the first export J-35 will be for Pakistan.

 

[Shams313]

In reality Iran didn't have many opportunities for this before this year. Up to Oct 2020 there was still de-facto UNSC embargo on military jets etc. After 2020 there also were limits. It should be borne in mind that the J-10C version began to export only in the 2020s. And the first customer - Pakistan began to receive J-10C only from 2022. In any case, Iran could not get these aircraft earlier than Pakistan, due to close ties between China and Pakistan.
The J-16 fighter jets China doesn't export In principle, same as J-20 and J-15.
J-35 ready for export, but while the first J-35s only in this year enters in the service of the PLAAF\PLANAF and again, most likely the first export J-35 will be for Pakistan.

That is not major issue who will get first...Pakistan is well defended but IRI not..If Iran seriously ask china that they need those birds j35/j16/j10 whatever, in serious manner, chain might can do something. They will explode the production line for j35, in qty wise it will far surpass j20 like f35. It is the seriousness...

Its Iran's sincerity that requires here, china as partner will definitely response. and only china has the ability to do that.
IRI policy makers still worshiping white dicks in Europe..So much sacrifice for em but what u have received in return in last 10 years should be the question.

 

[BigMela2onin]

U can still do, beg china J10+J16+j35+AWACS+Refueling Tanker+Satellite intelligence capabilities. If only china takes the fatal risk for unworthy partner like u.

No reason for China to do anything to help Iran, this is the country that still begs the west even under their bombs. Why would they sell high end equipment when Iran will turn it over the west instantly for yet another false promise of improved relations?

 

[Kyussis]

That is not major issue who will get first...Pakistan is well defended but IRI not..If Iran seriously ask china that they need those birds j35/j16/j10 whatever, in serious manner, chain might can do something. They will explode the production line for j35, in qty wise it will far surpass j20 like f35. It is the seriousness...

Its Iran's sincerity that requires here, china as partner will definitely response. and only china has the ability to do that.
IRI policy makers still worshiping white dicks in Europe..So much sacrifice for em but what u have received in return in last 10 years should be the question.

When the President of China visited Iran during the Rouhani administration, President Rouhani refused to meet with him. Got to love "reformists"!

 

[FUB]

When the President of China visited Iran during the Rouhani administration, President Rouhani refused to meet with him. Got to love "reformists"!

Because his handlers in the UK told him not to. His bank accounts and his Law degree ( LMAO) from Scotland would have been exposed

 

[FUB]

IR president with his fake Law Degree wanted to buy Rafael’s . Where would IR Air Force be today if IR cooperated with China in 2016 ?

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[ToddE]

I don't even want the pilots flying those old airframes. Only the best fly F14s; they are too valuable to lose frivolously to accidents.

F-14A in its original form has little combat relevance in todays warfare. Its relic of a radar i.e. AWG-9 or even the upgrade over it in F-14D the APG-71 will be jammed from distance by modern 4.5 gen E-warfare pods. It has a huge RCS so will be locked and fired upon from large BVR distance.

It can be turned into a supportive platform for SU-35S with extensive upgrades such as AESA antenna, built in ECCM control, MAWS, AWACS/GWACS datalink and a reliable ARH LRBVR + HMD Slaved-HOBS WVR. Thats just combat and avionics suite, airframes will need structural Midlife upgrade too. For 10-15 USD this upgrade can give the plane great credibility in combat along with SU-35S over PG or Iraqi airspace. IAIO can pull it inside Iran but IRIAF has no money so they ended up with a depot level upgrade "F-14AM" plan which got abandoned before it even took pace.

 

[muhammed45]

In reality Iran didn't have many opportunities for this before this year. Up to Oct 2020 there was still de-facto UNSC embargo on military jets etc. After 2020 there also were limits. It should be borne in mind that the J-10C version began to export only in the 2020s. And the first customer - Pakistan began to receive J-10C only from 2022. In any case, Iran could not get these aircraft earlier than Pakistan, due to close ties between China and Pakistan.
The J-16 fighter jets China doesn't export In principle, same as J-20 and J-15.
J-35 ready for export, but while the first J-35s only in this year enters in the service of the PLAAF\PLANAF and again, most likely the first export J-35 will be for Pakistan.

The interest in cooperation with Russia has something to do with historical realities/experiences. USA might have better quality products, problem with cooperation with USA and west as a whole is the forever dependence upon them for everything from maintenance to other components, you have to be a forever importer.

During industrial revolution in Iran, Iran laid the foundation with the help of Soviets for example iron foundry in Isfahan. As we all know its a mother industry.

Russia is proven different with Soviets, a weaker version of it. This historical memory of cooperation with the Soviets is fading away. What China can offer, does not meet our requirements. The enemy possesses most advanced versions, so why waste money on something non useful?

Its better to have a homemade one even if it takes decades.

 

[LX1111]

No reason for China to do anything to help Iran, this is the country that still begs the west even under their bombs. Why would they sell high end equipment when Iran will turn it over the west instantly for yet another false promise of improved relations?

We are willing to invest $400 billion in Iran,Isn't this helping Iran?

 

[Immortals]

We are willing to invest $400 billion in Iran,Isn't this helping Iran?

In my opinion, it will be a cold day in hell before China invests even 50B in Iran.

Neither side trust the other. And Iran still remembers giving Chinese companies energy projects (10? 15 years ago?) and China dragging its field because of geopolitical climate. There’s also the last military deal between the countries (C-802 in 2000) which was fraught with problems.

I just don’t think, China is coming to the rescue, they already diversified away to other countries in the Middle East and Africa. Iran isn’t as vital to the Silk Road plans as it was 20 or even 10 years ago.

China might see Iran as energy independence or Maybe as an energy provider of last resort, if Russia falls to the West (Post-Putin) or an energy embargo is placed on China similar to Imperial Japan pre-Pearl harbor. But even then the reformists and opportunists in Iran have shown they will take the bait at the first second of better relations with the west. Not sure how much China can rely on Iran without a strategic treaty.

At the end of the day, China helping Iran will only bring headaches, sanctions, and the wrath of Israel, Arabs, Europe, and U.S. Huge downsides and negligible upside for China.

Xi is too conservative to make such a gamble.

 

[LX1111]

In my opinion, it will be a cold day in hell before China invests even 50B in Iran.

Neither side trust the other. And Iran still remembers giving Chinese companies energy projects (10? 15 years ago?) and China dragging its field because of geopolitical climate. There’s also the last military deal between the countries (C-802 in 2000) which was fraught with problems.

I just don’t think, China is coming to the rescue, they already diversified away to other countries in the Middle East and Africa. Iran isn’t as vital to the Silk Road plans as it was 20 or even 10 years ago.

China might see Iran as energy independence or Maybe as an energy provider of last resort, if Russia falls to the West (Post-Putin) or an energy embargo is placed on China similar to Imperial Japan pre-Pearl harbor. But even then the reformists and opportunists in Iran have shown they will take the bait at the first second of better relations with the west. Not sure how much China can rely on Iran without a strategic treaty.

At the end of the day, China helping Iran will only bring headaches, sanctions, and the wrath of Israel, Arabs, Europe, and U.S. Huge downsides and negligible upside for China.

Xi is too conservative to make such a gamble.

If China did not trust Iran, it would not have listed a $400 billion investment plan.This amount of money is almost the same as the investment in the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.As far as I know, the investment plan was shelved by the Laixi government.This is a rather stupid decision, the reason being that the Raisi administration believes it will interfere with Iran's independent policy.

 

[LX1111]

In my opinion, it will be a cold day in hell before China invests even 50B in Iran.

Neither side trust the other. And Iran still remembers giving Chinese companies energy projects (10? 15 years ago?) and China dragging its field because of geopolitical climate. There’s also the last military deal between the countries (C-802 in 2000) which was fraught with problems.

I just don’t think, China is coming to the rescue, they already diversified away to other countries in the Middle East and Africa. Iran isn’t as vital to the Silk Road plans as it was 20 or even 10 years ago.

China might see Iran as energy independence or Maybe as an energy provider of last resort, if Russia falls to the West (Post-Putin) or an energy embargo is placed on China similar to Imperial Japan pre-Pearl harbor. But even then the reformists and opportunists in Iran have shown they will take the bait at the first second of better relations with the west. Not sure how much China can rely on Iran without a strategic treaty.

At the end of the day, China helping Iran will only bring headaches, sanctions, and the wrath of Israel, Arabs, Europe, and U.S. Huge downsides and negligible upside for China.

Xi is too conservative to make such a gamble.

There is too much hostility towards China within Iran. The investment environment for Chinese companies is very bad, and a large number of trade barriers hinder the free flow of capital.
Although this objectively protects Iranian companies, it also causes a lack of competition in Iranian industry and a technological level that lags behind that of products from most industrial countries.
What is more serious is that Iran’s internal inefficiency and chaos have led to a large amount of duplicate investment in outdated production capacity. I have seen that Iran’s internal production capacity utilization rate is only 40%.This means that Iran has a serious overcapacity.However, the technological level of Iranian industrial products is not high and the prices are not low enough, which has led to Iran being unable to dump its industrial products abroad.
It can be said that most of Iran’s current problems are caused by overcapacity.

 

[Sipahsalar]

I wonder if these pilots really believe they were engaged in hour long dogfights with Israeli jets over Isfahan

seems incompetence is institutionalised and present in all aspects of Iranian military

An hour long fight over Iran is not even possible for Israeli planes due to fuel capacity limitations.

 

[BigMela2onin]

We are willing to invest $400 billion in Iran,Isn't this helping Iran?

Why would you invest $400 billion in a nation dead set on self-destruction? You would lose your investment.

 

[kastor ville]

All of the reformist are traitors...Iranians should hang em all.

This comment should get you ejected from this thread....this is a threat of violence....there should be no tolerance for any of you making such comments....dimwits.