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[Piet]

Iran needs to rethink its friendships. Will Russia provide military support to Iran if under attack, and why no planes have arrived in Iran despite Russia under western sanctions and facing threats itself. Iran also needs to think on what will they do in 10 years time, Israel will be inducting 6th generation planes.

J10CE is better option for Iran, better missiles and avionics, more upgrades. Iran they must not make threats to other nations and work on itself, slowly build relations with all nations, in 10 years time they can build close military economy relations with China Pakistan and buy J35s with pl16s.

Reading this post again, especially pertaining to Russian military support should Iran be attacked, there could be a solution that insures nobody does in fact attack Iran (again).

North Korea not only supplied combat troops to Russia, artillery ammo, and various other as yet unknown hardware.

Is it then so hard to imagine a scenario where North Korean wherewithal is deployed on say a rotary deployment to 'train' with their Iranian hosts.

It would also impact on anyone within missile range, and might even aid NKor in securing financial and sanctions relief.

Another thing, during the meeting of Kim with Putin and XI, the NKor leader looked anything but overawed by the other two world leaders. My own observation at least.

He probably regards himself as being on par with the other two leaders, knowing that he has the backing of a fast-growing military.

Piet

 

[ToddE]

And I'm sure many Iranians do consider them to be our enemies. People even chanted death to Russia in the Green Movement and that was back in 2009.

They were one of the first countries to call on Iran to settle our "differences" with the UAE over our Persian Gulf islands.

They have failed every test in the last 20 years. Every single one of them. A friend that betrays you every time is definitely your enemy in disguise.

If we go radically against or pro something we lose the common sense. Like I said before they are not allies but not enemies either. They exploited weak and low IQ leadership of IRI to their benefit which Iranian empires never provided them before in 300 years of wars, but thats what everyone else on planet did with IRI. Lets not single out one or two countries.

Reading this post again, especially pertaining to Russian military support should Iran be attacked, there could be a solution that insures nobody does in fact attack Iran (again).

North Korea not only supplied combat troops to Russia, artillery ammo, and various other as yet unknown hardware.

Is it then so hard to imagine a scenario where North Korean wherewithal is deployed on say a rotary deployment to 'train' with their Iranian hosts.

It would also impact on anyone within missile range, and might even aid NKor in securing financial and sanctions relief.

Another thing, during the meeting of Kim with Putin and XI, the NKor leader looked anything but overawed by the other two world leaders. My own observation at least.

He probably regards himself as being on par with the other two leaders, knowing that he has the backing of a fast-growing military.

Piet

DPRK's GDP is like less then half of Tehran's municipality GDP. Without Sino-Russo support, the country will crumble to famine like it has happened before. What Israel is to west, DPRK is to Iron brothers. Nothing but a military outpost on life support.

 

[sahureka2]

Rear fin assembly is markedly different. However you are right, Iran can only copy and not innovate so it's a copy of something, just not that DPRK missile.

Sure, the fins are different, but if you identify the fins to say it's a different project, it's a bit too timid as evidence.
I want to point out that nations subject to sanctions and embargoes often collaborate to achieve what's needed, and Iran and the DPRK have a long history of collaboration, whether openly or secretly.
Therefore, it may not be heresy to hypothesize that they collaborated to develop this missile, and then, to prevent others from making connections, each one does something to make them less similar.
PS
Indeed, considering the level reached by the DPRK in the defense sector, I wouldn't be surprised to see an intensification of collaboration and knowledge exchange.
PPS
It should be noted that the DPRK could be very interested in collaborating on military and commercial aviation products, whether produced or designed by Iran. The Simorgh could be very attractive to them, both as a military and civilian aircraft, like the Yasin or an upgraded version. It would be excellent for rejuvenating the decrepit training component of their air force, which could also lead to a version more suited to warfare.
This collaboration would be mutually beneficial and would certainly lead to mass production of both aircraft.

 

[ShapurII]

If we go radically against or pro something we lose the common sense. Like I said before they are not allies but not enemies either. They exploited weak and low IQ leadership of IRI to their benefit which Iranian empires never provided them before in 300 years of wars, but thats what everyone else on planet did with IRI. Lets not single out one or two countries.

It goes way beyond exploitation of the weak leadership in Iran.
As we speak, Russia is handing over Iran's sphere of influence to Turkey step by step.
They perfectly did that in Syria. They're now doing the same in the Caucasus.

Russia has never missed a chance to weaken Iran. You can say what you want, but it is undeniable that anti-Iranian sentiments have always been strong in Russia and anti-Russia sentiments have always been strong in Iran.

 

[ToddE]

It goes way beyond exploitation of the weak leadership in Iran.
As we speak, Russia is handing over Iran's sphere of influence to Turkey step by step.
They perfectly did that in Syria. They're now doing the same in the Caucasus.

And US imposed crippling sanctions on Iran. EU supported Baathist nerve gas and military machine, PGCC hated Iranian Islamo socialist revolution in their neighborhood that calls their monarch as Haram. You are picking Russia for whatever personal reason, I am seeing all countries that exploited IRI for its inherent weakness. Russia is one of them not the only one. We just have more grievance against Russia because they broke our country and took massive chunks out of it.

Russia has never missed a chance to weaken Iran. You can say what you want, but it is undeniable that anti-Iranian sentiments have always been strong in Russia and anti-Russia sentiments have always been strong in Iran.

They have always been staunchly Anti-Muslim be it Iran or Ottoman Turkey, all slavs are if you know them, remember Balkan wars. If today they are supporting Turkey then its just a balancing act against Iranian power in ME/CA. They are by no means in love with Turkish, they used to massacre them in wars just like how Iran and Russia clashed in Caucasus.

 

[ShapurII]

And US imposed crippling sanctions on Iran. EU supported Baathist nerve gas and military machine, PGCC hated Iranian Islamo socialist revolution in their neighborhood that calls their monarch as Haram. You are picking Russia for whatever personal reason, I am seeing all countries that exploited IRI for its inherent weakness. Russia is one of them not the only one. We just have more grievance against Russia because they broke our country and took massive chunks out of it.



They have always been staunchly Anti-Muslim be it Iran or Ottoman Turkey, all slavs are if you know them, remember Balkan wars. If today they are supporting Turkey then its just a balancing act against Iranian power in ME/CA. They are by no means in love with Turkish, they used to massacre them in wars just like how Iran and Russia clashed in Caucasus.

So did the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union used to be the main supplier of Iraq.
Meanwhile, the EU and the US turned against Iran after the 1979 revolution. We took American diplomats hostage for God's sake. You are selectively forgetting that it was the US that was arming Iran to the teeth against the Soviets. The US greenlighted the sale of 80 F-14s to Iran, and over 60 F-16s were on their way to Iran before the revolution. The original order for F-16 was well above 100 jetfighters. In today's terms, it's like giving 80 F-22s and 60 F-35s to a foreign country! Now compare that to what Russians have given us after 3 decades of friendship.

Russia is a different case. Not comparable to the US or the EU at all. Russia has stabbed Iran in the back multiple times in the last 3 decades, while claiming to maintain great relations with us politically. As for Persian Gulf Arabs, they have been known to be our enemies. They never claimed to be our friends or allies. lol So, again, not similar at all.

Russians maintain better relations with Turks than Iranians. It's not solely about Islam. Go interview Russians in their own country. They will mostly talk positively about Turkey, but I doubt they would have the same attitude towards Iran. In fact, let's just pick the most random video on YouTube. Obviously, there's plenty more, but here you are:

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And obviously, they're not dumb. They can clearly see that the girl is Iranian. So, they're holding back and not being 100% honest.

 

[Corax]

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The problem facing the Iranian Air Force is the Israeli and American threats, so Iran's options are limited. For example, the Russians actually possess 150 MIG-29A/S fighter jets that could be upgraded to the level of the MIG-29SMT, and the new AESA radar used in the MIG-35. However, the Russians' actual capacity does not exceed the supply of 36 fighters per year from the production line.
Another solution is Algeria, which possesses 32 MIG-29SMT fighters. There have been numerous rumors, including that they will be supplied to Sudan and that they will be equipped with North Korea's new BVR missiles.

Quick solutions for Iran would be to acquire F-4E fighters and spare parts to extend the life of its fleet, as well as the aircraft stored in Egypt and Greece.
China would also provide spare parts for F-14 fighters, as Chinese aircraft have F-14 fighters for display. Thus, Iran can ensure the operation of several squadrons for additional years and their rapid and effective operation, given the availability of pilots operating these fighters.

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There are A report on a Chinese website claims that Pakistan has quickly delivered 10 J-10C fighter jets to Iran as a prelude to potential J-10C fighter jet deals from China to Pakistan in the coming period. If this information is true, Iran will have acquired the fighters and their crews.
One viable solution would be to convert Iran's F-7 and F-5 fighters into UCAVs.
Upgrading the F-7 provides a 2-ton payload after removing the cockpit and everything related to the presence of a pilot in the fighters, and increases the fuel load needed to carry out strikes against Israel. The same applies to the older F-5s.

Rebuilding the Iranian Air Force requires years of training, modernizing equipment, command and control systems, and purging Iran of spies. This is Iran's weak point, as Israel wants to strike Iran as quickly as possible. Reviving the Iranian Air Force aims to raise the cost of any Israeli strikes against Iran and hinder the destruction of Iranian territory.

https://www.sohu.com/a/941782447_12...spm=smpc.content.fd-d.76.1760436029823hfJhfBk

Sorry, but WTF?! Iran can buy F4Es from Greece and Egypt?! And the US would allow that would they? And "Chinese aircraft have F-14 fighters for display"?! What are you on about?

 

[Sarhang]

So did the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union used to be the main supplier of Iraq.
Meanwhile, the EU and the US turned against Iran after the 1979 revolution. We took American diplomats hostage for God's sake. You are selectively forgetting that it was the US that was arming Iran to the teeth against the Soviets. The US greenlighted the sale of 80 F-14s to Iran, and over 60 F-16s were on their way to Iran before the revolution. The original order for F-16 was well above 100 jetfighters. In today's terms, it's like giving 80 F-22s and 60 F-35s to a foreign country! Now compare that to what Russians have given us after 3 decades of friendship.

Russia is a different case. Not comparable to the US or the EU at all. Russia has stabbed Iran in the back multiple times in the last 3 decades, while claiming to maintain great relations with us politically. As for Persian Gulf Arabs, they have been known to be our enemies. They never claimed to be our friends or allies. lol So, again, not similar at all.

Russians maintain better relations with Turks than Iranians. It's not solely about Islam. Go interview Russians in their own country. They will mostly talk positively about Turkey, but I doubt they would have the same attitude towards Iran. In fact, let's just pick the most random video on YouTube. Obviously, there's plenty more, but here you are:

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And obviously, they're not dumb. They can clearly see that the girl is Iranian. So, they're holding back and not being 100% honest.

All the Russophiles in Iran are Islamist marxists... the same crowd that hijacked our nation back in 1979.


They can never tolerate a word of criticism against Russia and always deflect by calling the U.S. the ''greater evil''


Under this system the IRIAF will never reach its true potential ..the leadership is simply too incompetent and corrupt.

 

[Flotilla]

So did the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union used to be the main supplier of Iraq.
Meanwhile, the EU and the US turned against Iran after the 1979 revolution. We took American diplomats hostage for God's sake. You are selectively forgetting that it was the US that was arming Iran to the teeth against the Soviets. The US greenlighted the sale of 80 F-14s to Iran, and over 60 F-16s were on their way to Iran before the revolution. The original order for F-16 was well above 100 jetfighters. In today's terms, it's like giving 80 F-22s and 60 F-35s to a foreign country! Now compare that to what Russians have given us after 3 decades of friendship.

Russia is a different case. Not comparable to the US or the EU at all. Russia has stabbed Iran in the back multiple times in the last 3 decades, while claiming to maintain great relations with us politically. As for Persian Gulf Arabs, they have been known to be our enemies. They never claimed to be our friends or allies. lol So, again, not similar at all.

Russians maintain better relations with Turks than Iranians. It's not solely about Islam. Go interview Russians in their own country. They will mostly talk positively about Turkey, but I doubt they would have the same attitude towards Iran. In fact, let's just pick the most random video on YouTube. Obviously, there's plenty more, but here you are:

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And obviously, they're not dumb. They can clearly see that the girl is Iranian. So, they're holding back and not being 100% honest.

I don´t agree.

You´re suggesting there is a kind of evil plan in the Russian government against Irán and that is simply not true.

Economically Russia needs Iran to connect with Middle East and south asia. Just that simple. Their NSTC it is vital for their interest.

Militarily Russia needs Irán because Irán is distracting thousands of military personnel stuck in the middle of the dust, probably dozen of satellites and tens of warships.

You can´t compare Syrian fate with Irán. Syrian regime gave up because internal turmoils (Alauite family was just a minor part of the Syrian society), external pressure and over all, Russian inability to intervene. Israel and US knew perfectly that Russia was losing hundreds of best soldiers monthly in thousand kilometers away war, and then gave "coup de gràce" to the Regime.

We´re derailing the treat, so let me add that Russia is nowadays the only country capable of delivery advanced fighters to Irán. China can´t because of sanctions or western pressure (you can guess what would say EU if China transfer some dozens of just J-10CE).

Nobody is telling Irán should marry with Russia, but up to now, Irán needs to rebuild their conventional deterrence for the final step of being a nuclear power. Simply because you can´t build a nuclear weapon without a conventional force capable of protecting all your nuclear program.

 

[ToddE]

So did the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union used to be the main supplier of Iraq.
Meanwhile, the EU and the US turned against Iran after the 1979 revolution. We took American diplomats hostage for God's sake. You are selectively forgetting that it was the US that was arming Iran to the teeth against the Soviets. The US greenlighted the sale of 80 F-14s to Iran, and over 60 F-16s were on their way to Iran before the revolution. The original order for F-16 was well above 100 jetfighters. In today's terms, it's like giving 80 F-22s and 60 F-35s to a foreign country! Now compare that to what Russians have given us after 3 decades of friendship.

Russia is a different case. Not comparable to the US or the EU at all. Russia has stabbed Iran in the back multiple times in the last 3 decades, while claiming to maintain great relations with us politically. As for Persian Gulf Arabs, they have been known to be our enemies. They never claimed to be our friends or allies. lol So, again, not similar at all.

Russians maintain better relations with Turks than Iranians. It's not solely about Islam. Go interview Russians in their own country. They will mostly talk positively about Turkey, but I doubt they would have the same attitude towards Iran. In fact, let's just pick the most random video on YouTube. Obviously, there's plenty more, but here you are:

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And obviously, they're not dumb. They can clearly see that the girl is Iranian. So, they're holding back and not being 100% honest.

Once a prostitute went to a Cop and complained that her pimp, client 1, client 2, client 3 all beat her up. Police officer replied, stop being a whore, nobody will beat you up.

You are telling me which one of your client beat you the hardest (Russia > EU > Jewdo-US) while I am asking you not to be a ho (weak vulnerable IRI) so nobody beats you up.

UK, Ottoman Turkey, Russia all tried seizing Iranian lands. UK and Turkey failed but Russia kinda succeeded in Caucasus so we may have more grievance against them. But that does not mean they are the enemy number one and others fall behind.

Russia took Iranian lands, exploited weak IRI.
UK tried seizing Iranian land.
Turkey tried seizing Iran land, failed.
Baathists tried to genocide Iranians.
EU helped Iranian genocide, supported Crippling sanctions
US imposed crippling sanctions
Israel killed 1000+ Iranians.

So how come only Russia is bad ?

 

[ToddE]

I don´t agree.

You´re suggesting there is a kind of evil plan in the Russian government against Irán and that is simply not true.

Economically Russia needs Iran to connect with Middle East and south asia. Just that simple. Their NSTC it is vital for their interest.

Militarily Russia needs Irán because Irán is distracting thousands of military personnel stuck in the middle of the dust, probably dozen of satellites and tens of warships.

You can´t compare Syrian fate with Irán. Syrian regime gave up because internal turmoils (Alauite family was just a minor part of the Syrian society), external pressure and over all, Russian inability to intervene. Israel and US knew perfectly that Russia was losing hundreds of best soldiers monthly in thousand kilometers away war, and then gave "coup de gràce" to the Regime.

We´re derailing the treat, so let me add that Russia is nowadays the only country capable of delivery advanced fighters to Irán. China can´t because of sanctions or western pressure (you can guess what would say EU if China transfer some dozens of just J-10CE).

Nobody is telling Irán should marry with Russia, but up to now, Irán needs to rebuild their conventional deterrence for the final step of being a nuclear power. Simply because you can´t build a nuclear weapon without a conventional force capable of protecting all your nuclear program.

HEU + Missiles are deterrence. AF plays its part but is highly vulnerable itself on the ground. I am rather alarmed by the fact that since war, IRGCAF is showing no signs of newer missile tests. May be they are being secretive but kinda concerning.

 

[royalharris]

China can´t because of sanctions or western pressure (you can guess what would say EU if China transfer some dozens of just J-10CE).

China don't care how Europe think

China care there are so many traitors in iran who will sell Chinese technology to Israel and USA,.

Iran is much less valueable to china compared with Pakistan, Egypt amd KSA.

Iran should try its best to win trust from China, show china its value.

If iran keeps show little value, china maybe shift the oil purchase to the other friendly country to help their economy.

 

[Flotilla]

HEU + Missiles are deterrence. AF plays its part but is highly vulnerable itself on the ground. I am rather alarmed by the fact that since war, IRGCAF is showing no signs of newer missile tests. May be they are being secretive but kinda concerning.

I agree, but it is not enough. It has been shameful how some MALE have been operating for hours and destroying some launchers, until a small AD-08 system reach the place to destroy it.

Even if Su35 aren´t real challenge for israeli F35 combined with AEW and US satellite AEW net, they would pose a major tread and reduce the window of oportunity to those missions of "seek and destroy" launchers. IMO 2 or 4 squadrons of Su35 will make much harder those long endurance raids inside Iranian airspace.

But you´re right. It was the missile force the one that turned back that "changing the face to entire middle east" Netanyahu said. IMO missiles performed so well that no further necessity for testing missiles is required. Just to re-stock the spent items and why not, send a subliminal warning about longer ranger missiles (those SLV). The new underground missile base announced two days ago for the missile force it is really milk cream for the cake.

The only dissapointing news was the cancellation of the HGV of Fattah2. Because as you said would make a nightmare for any THAADs/Arrow3 crew their job. But that falls apart this tread.

 

[Flotilla]

China don't care how Europe think

China care there are so many traitors in iran who will sell Chinese technology to Israel and USA,.

Iran is much less valueable compared with Pakistan, Egypt amd KSA.
Iran should try its best to win trust from China, show china its value.

If iran keeps show little value, china maybe shift the oil purchase to the other friendly country to help their economy.

I don´t agree. China cares. If not they would have transferred years ago new fighters to DPKR.

Germany and France, and even worse, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and EAU wouldn´t support transfer of some of the best world´s fighters to Irán.

For sure China have is own international agenda. But western and middle east money is very well appreciated for China.

And I suspect that is the reason why we see right now a so much chinese-similar Air to Air medium ranged missile. The military power of China can be also subtle. They just transfered enough technology to DPKR for developing this missile and via DPKR that technology reaches Irán via North Korean partnership. This last idea, it is just speculative, but I cannot leave to think about a connection between chinese technology and this new military iranian milestone, and I think Mr Sahureka is right about this.

 

[royalharris]

I don´t agree. China cares. If not they would have transferred years ago new fighters to DPKR.

Germany and France, and even worse, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and EAU wouldn´t support transfer of some of the best world´s fighters to Irán.

For sure China have is own international agenda. But western and middle east money is very well appreciated for China.

And I suspect that is the reason why we see right now a so much chinese-similar Air to Air medium ranged missile. The military power of China can be also subtle. They just transfered enough technology to DPKR for developing this missile and via DPKR that technology reaches Irán via North Korean partnership. This last idea, it is just speculative, but I cannot leave to think about a connection between chinese technology and this new military iranian milestone, and I think Mr Sahureka is right about this.

You know nothing

What north Korea need is not air fighter
What north Korea need is nuclear bomb and ballistic missile.