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[ToddE]

I agree, but it is not enough. It has been shameful how some MALE have been operating for hours and destroying some launchers, until a small AD-08 system reach the place to destroy it.

Even if Su35 aren´t real challenge for israeli F35 combined with AEW and US satellite AEW net, they would pose a major tread and reduce the window of oportunity to those missions of "seek and destroy" launchers. IMO 2 or 4 squadrons of Su35 will make much harder those long endurance raids inside Iranian airspace.

But you´re right. It was the missile force the one that turned back that "changing the face to entire middle east" Netanyahu said. IMO missiles performed so well that no further necessity for testing missiles is required. Just to re-stock the spent items and why not, send a subliminal warning about longer ranger missiles (those SLV). The new underground missile base announced two days ago for the missile force it is really milk cream for the cake.

The only dissapointing news was the cancellation of the HGV of Fattah2. Because as you said would make a nightmare for any THAADs/Arrow3 crew their job. But that falls apart this tread.

Real problem is IAF's ALBMs+long ranged SOWs/ALCMs that they can safely launch at Iranian Search n Track assets from distance. Once the search radars are gone either by enemy fire or internal terrorism the IADS has lost the far sight vision. Batteries are barely able to pick things at 300-400 KM so they are sitting ducks to high speed projectiles fired at them from far away. SU-35S/30SM can at best somewhat disrupt IAF's ALBM launching + refueling from above Iraq with their R-37 LR-BVR. Thats the only job they can do in war that matters. Even 200 MIG-29M cant do this. They lack the range, radar range, BVR range. Secondary role can be launch of Iranian ALBMs in return as part of reciprocating strikes to deter the enemy but thats what IRGCAF itself does so it wont make much difference, also Russia wont allow this. Overall Iran needs atleast 70-90 air-superiority MRCAs of 4+ gen and SU-35S fits the bill. MIG-29M, Yak-130, SU-34MK2, Kowsar AT/CAS are needed too but only SU-35S+R-37 can reduce the damage.

Yes Missiles are the real deterent. Fattah-HGV is abandoned but Fattah-III is being worked upon. Not sure what will it be if not an HGV considering Fattah-1 is a war proven hypersonic MaRV-MRBM.

 

[Piet]

If we go radically against or pro something we lose the common sense. Like I said before they are not allies but not enemies either. They exploited weak and low IQ leadership of IRI to their benefit which Iranian empires never provided them before in 300 years of wars, but thats what everyone else on planet did with IRI. Lets not single out one or two countries.



DPRK's GDP is like less then half of Tehran's municipality GDP. Without Sino-Russo support, the country will crumble to famine like it has happened before. What Israel is to west, DPRK is to Iron brothers. Nothing but a military outpost on life support.

I have many times asked myself the Q of how a financially-stricken country such as NKor manages to come up with munitions and hardware, regularly, that even a 'medium-sized' EU country would struggle to achieve.

North Korea is a military outpost for Russia and China to be sure, or it would long ago have run into intractable financial and other problems that would have spelt finish for any other roughly comparable country.

Why Russia and China will continue to sustain NKor is because it is a nuclear-armed outpost, that can be used by them to apply all kinds of pressure on the West.

I feel that I should clarify that any rotation of 'military training' between Iran and NKor is only going to be realistically possible in the aftermath of a terminal UN decline, and a vastly different Bretton Woods Agreement from what it is today.

This military 'rotation' between Iran and NKor will of course remove the pressure of trying to prevent Iran of 'going nuclear' by itself, as there will exist a presumption that just maybe, such a rotation can come with some ( 2 -3) missiles having been armed with nuclear warheads.

This will cause a measure of strategic ambiguity that would invariably give pause for future attacks on Iran.

Piet

 

[Sami_1]

Sorry, but WTF?! Iran can buy F4Es from Greece and Egypt?! And the US would allow that would they? And "Chinese aircraft have F-14 fighters for display"?! What are you on about?

An Egyptian F-4E aircraft commemorating the 40th anniversary of the presence of F-16 fighters.


It's clear that you don't respect others, first of all. Secondly, you don't understand how things are managed.

Since 1980, Greece has been maintaining, repairing, and supplying spare parts for Iran's C-130 aircraft. Canada and European countries provide spare parts and even engines for Iran's helicopter fleet, which has put them in a position where Iran operates the largest military aircraft production facilities, exposed by the low production volume. The operation of its fighter fleet for 45 years has been done through imports. Any country subject to a military embargo buys whatever weapons it wants, but at double the price. If there had been a real arms embargo, Iran's armament would not have continued for 40 years.
Even the Israeli weapons models that Iran produces are some purchased on the international market.

Isolated North Korea produces American Stinger missiles and copies many American weapons. Where do they get models, such as the Stryker armored vehicles and others?
Countries subject to an arms embargo on some American weapons use countries like Turkey and Greece. Currently, Ukraine is seeking American weapons. With money, it can buy everything. Egypt itself, before the October 1973 War, purchased two F-4D fighters through British arms dealers to test destroy fortifications similar to the Israeli Bar-Lev Line, which was in preparation for war. It also acquired American bombs for the experiments, and Egypt was fully armed with Russian weapons.

Iran also obtains spare parts for Iraqi Mirage F-1 fighters from Greek stockpiles, as well as F-5 fighters. It even obtains spare parts for the F-4 from the fleets of South Korea and Japan, albeit undisclosed.

The reason for the lack of development of the Iranian air defense industry is the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which views a strong Iranian air force as a threat to its existence. If the Iranian air force possesses fighters, it could launch a strike against it and eliminate the Iranian regime.

You say Iran is subject to a ban on those extracting Iranian oil. Aren't there American companies working in the field of extracting Iranian oil? Did you know that Egypt is leading negotiations between Iran and the United States to end the conflict between the two countries? With the US securing huge energy contracts in Iran and hundreds of Boeing aircraft,

Iran has obtained turbine engine technology from the German company Siemens, a German car engine manufacturer, and various technologies from Canada, all of which are subject to sanctions.

F-4 aircraft have been out of service in Egypt since 2011, following the arrival of the F-16 Block 52 squadron. Therefore, they have been theoretically scrapped for 14 years, and the US cannot even request a disclosure of their remaining parts. Egypt simply says they were dismantled and converted into raw metals for industrial use.


The US will not ask about selling F-4 aircraft or components to Iran, even if it fought Iran, simply because their effectiveness is limited. However, Iran needs to take advantage of everything available to it, which is considered a junk aircraft. The Egyptians refurbished them in F-16 refurbishment facilities, as well as their engines. Iran possesses production lines for the manufacture of spare parts for old fighters that have been decommissioned, ensuring the continuity of the aging fighters in service for long periods. Much longer, like the MIRAGE-V fighters. They even maintained the MI-6 locally instead of sending it to Russia. The Russians thought we had retired it, not expecting Egypt to maintain it locally in the Egyptian Air Force's workshops.

You know absolutely nothing. What's hidden in the world is not what's apparent.

Iran's problem is that its regime didn't care about developing its army and armament, especially its air force, until the war with Israel broke out. The Iranians are trying to buy weapons from every country they can, including North Korea, China, Russia, and Southeast Asian countries.

Try to understand how things are managed.

 

[Corax]

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An Egyptian F-4E aircraft commemorating the 40th anniversary of the presence of F-16 fighters.


It's clear that you don't respect others, first of all. Secondly, you don't understand how things are managed.

Since 1980, Greece has been maintaining, repairing, and supplying spare parts for Iran's C-130 aircraft. Canada and European countries provide spare parts and even engines for Iran's helicopter fleet, which has put them in a position where Iran operates the largest military aircraft production facilities, exposed by the low production volume. The operation of its fighter fleet for 45 years has been done through imports. Any country subject to a military embargo buys whatever weapons it wants, but at double the price. If there had been a real arms embargo, Iran's armament would not have continued for 40 years.
Even the Israeli weapons models that Iran produces are some purchased on the international market.

Isolated North Korea produces American Stinger missiles and copies many American weapons. Where do they get models, such as the Stryker armored vehicles and others?
Countries subject to an arms embargo on some American weapons use countries like Turkey and Greece. Currently, Ukraine is seeking American weapons. With money, it can buy everything. Egypt itself, before the October 1973 War, purchased two F-4D fighters through British arms dealers to test destroy fortifications similar to the Israeli Bar-Lev Line, which was in preparation for war. It also acquired American bombs for the experiments, and Egypt was fully armed with Russian weapons.

Iran also obtains spare parts for Iraqi Mirage F-1 fighters from Greek stockpiles, as well as F-5 fighters. It even obtains spare parts for the F-4 from the fleets of South Korea and Japan, albeit undisclosed.

The reason for the lack of development of the Iranian air defense industry is the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which views a strong Iranian air force as a threat to its existence. If the Iranian air force possesses fighters, it could launch a strike against it and eliminate the Iranian regime.

You say Iran is subject to a ban on those extracting Iranian oil. Aren't there American companies working in the field of extracting Iranian oil? Did you know that Egypt is leading negotiations between Iran and the United States to end the conflict between the two countries? With the US securing huge energy contracts in Iran and hundreds of Boeing aircraft,

Iran has obtained turbine engine technology from the German company Siemens, a German car engine manufacturer, and various technologies from Canada, all of which are subject to sanctions.
View attachment 154302
F-4 aircraft have been out of service in Egypt since 2011, following the arrival of the F-16 Block 52 squadron. Therefore, they have been theoretically scrapped for 14 years, and the US cannot even request a disclosure of their remaining parts. Egypt simply says they were dismantled and converted into raw metals for industrial use.

View attachment 154303
The US will not ask about selling F-4 aircraft or components to Iran, even if it fought Iran, simply because their effectiveness is limited. However, Iran needs to take advantage of everything available to it, which is considered a junk aircraft. The Egyptians refurbished them in F-16 refurbishment facilities, as well as their engines. Iran possesses production lines for the manufacture of spare parts for old fighters that have been decommissioned, ensuring the continuity of the aging fighters in service for long periods. Much longer, like the MIRAGE-V fighters. They even maintained the MI-6 locally instead of sending it to Russia. The Russians thought we had retired it, not expecting Egypt to maintain it locally in the Egyptian Air Force's workshops.

You know absolutely nothing. What's hidden in the world is not what's apparent.

Iran's problem is that its regime didn't care about developing its army and armament, especially its air force, until the war with Israel broke out. The Iranians are trying to buy weapons from every country they can, including North Korea, China, Russia, and Southeast Asian countries.

Try to understand how things are managed.

Where's your claim about china having F14s and producing spare parts for the Iranians!?

 

[Flotilla]

You know nothing

What north Korea need is not air fighter
What north Korea need is nuclear bomb and ballistic missile.

For sure they don´t need.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[ToddE]

Journalist is quoting the same MP but here is the real issue, Key Aero does not publish anything unless they have solid evidence. Have additional air-frames really arrived ?

Somebody please pull recent most Satellite shots of Shiraz and see any expansion of hangers/buildings.

 

[ToddE]

I have many times asked myself the Q of how a financially-stricken country such as NKor manages to come up with munitions and hardware, regularly, that even a 'medium-sized' EU country would struggle to achieve.

North Korea is a military outpost for Russia and China to be sure, or it would long ago have run into intractable financial and other problems that would have spelt finish for any other roughly comparable country.

Why Russia and China will continue to sustain NKor is because it is a nuclear-armed outpost, that can be used by them to apply all kinds of pressure on the West.

I feel that I should clarify that any rotation of 'military training' between Iran and NKor is only going to be realistically possible in the aftermath of a terminal UN decline, and a vastly different Bretton Woods Agreement from what it is today.

This military 'rotation' between Iran and NKor will of course remove the pressure of trying to prevent Iran of 'going nuclear' by itself, as there will exist a presumption that just maybe, such a rotation can come with some ( 2 -3) missiles having been armed with nuclear warheads.

This will cause a measure of strategic ambiguity that would invariably give pause for future attacks on Iran.

Piet

Its no surprise I mean that how come a bankrupt famine hit country even survive as a functional state let alone maintain an unconventionally armed large military. Its a Sino-Russian military outpost to deal with South Korea and Japan or even US military settlements in Pacific without getting Chinese or Russians themselves getting involved.

Related to what you are saying, I have a theory that US itself would want Iran to slowly return to more manageable conventional military doctrine by allowing inflow of fighter jets so Iran takes a notch back on far more lethal war proven Missile capability. Had they allowed DPRK to crawl back into the global fold in 1970s and 80s instead of imposed isolation, the country might have been more like Iran (defiant but open) than becoming a Russian or Chinese forward nuclear base.

 

[Piet]

Its no surprise I mean that how come a bankrupt famine hit country even survive as a functional state let alone maintain an unconventionally armed large military. Its a Sino-Russian military outpost to deal with South Korea and Japan or even US military settlements in Pacific without getting Chinese or Russians themselves getting involved.

Related to what you are saying, I have a theory that US itself would want Iran to slowly return to more manageable conventional military doctrine by allowing inflow of fighter jets so Iran takes a notch back on far more lethal war proven Missile capability. Had they allowed DPRK to crawl back into the global fold in 1970s and 80s instead of imposed isolation, the country might have been more like Iran (defiant but open) than becoming a Russian or Chinese forward nuclear base.

Just so.

If Iran acquires fighters in the numbers noted elsewhere above, I believe that it will restore a measure of confidence among its decision makers. Making efforts to acquire a nuclear device or devices less of a pressing issue, while at the same time possibly dissuade the imposition of more sanctions less likely.

Q is. Would this increase or decrease the demand for the ever expanding arms market in the ME.

If the answer is 'decrease' I would doubt whether foreign arms suppliers would look favorably on it.

The same way in which parties in Iran would react if their F-14 'cash-cow' ceases to be one. I speak under correction but I think that you have raised this very issue here earlier.

Piet

 

[Piet]

I want to point out that nations subject to sanctions and embargoes often collaborate to achieve what's needed, and Iran and the DPRK have a long history of collaboration, whether openly or secretly.
Therefore, it may not be heresy to hypothesize that they collaborated to develop this missile, and then, to prevent others from making connections, each one does something to make them less similar.

Agree

PS
Indeed, considering the level reached by the DPRK in the defense sector, I wouldn't be surprised to see an intensification of collaboration and knowledge exchange.

Both these nations are sanctioned up to gazoo, especially pertaining to arms. Iran's fighting men can do with a pick-me-up at this particular time. Such as the unveiling of a significant weapon system for instance. Something that could underline serious co-op with Nkor, like in having a semblance to something similar in that country. Already unveiled.

 

[Comandante]

You Iranians are interesting people. Everyone knew from the Israeli airstrikes in Syria how the Israelis fight and with what. The antidote is simple. Drone against drone, ALBM against ALBM, it's that simple.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You Iranians are interesting people. Everyone knew from the Israeli airstrikes in Syria how the Israelis fight and with what. The antidote is simple. Drone against drone, ALBM against ALBM, it's that simple.

Iran does not have the world's sole hyper power as its sugar daddy

 

[Comandante]

"sugar daddy" What does this mean?
I understand that there were attempts in Iran to launch AMBL from an airplane. Why was it canceled? Air defense is always a difficult matter. I think that its ballistic missiles protected it from Israel. They need to be developed even further. We need to follow Russia's example.

 

[ToddE]

"sugar daddy" What does this mean?
I understand that there were attempts in Iran to launch AMBL from an airplane. Why was it canceled? Air defense is always a difficult matter. I think that its ballistic missiles protected it from Israel. They need to be developed even further. We need to follow Russia's example.

Israelis launch them from F-35, F-16, F-15 all top notch upgraded and maintained version by worlds most advanced western weapon makers and probably got the ALBM tech from them as well. Jews own the west by its balls.

Iran has no such leverage. Strike is not the problem, IRGCAF did its job. IRIAF failed to intercept IAF over Iraq because of lack of 4.5 gen air superiority MRCA with long as BVR (SU-35S). Thats as simple as it gets.

 

[Shags101]

Iran does not have the world's sole hyper power as its sugar daddy

I was going to reply to him but I think you said it right