Iranian Chill Thread

[Cancerous Tumor]

I don't think the security of another nation state will know about an internal helicopter flight unless Iranian security notfies them. They may have some idea of a SAM strike, but if it was internal sabotage then nobody will know about it unless the orcherstrators of the sabotage tell the world about it.

In case of possibility of external interference outcome is valuable unless it either changes something inside Iran or Islam ( doubt it but not impossible) or someone own it then they should score another win against what may come to them to show something meaningful.

In case of internal motives it may have multiple faction and beneficiaries (like election, power, land, water, race, ideology, money and ... )but any way as time passes picture will get more clear.

(I want to add that if I think about some of these things it means there may be someone like me also think about these things too and in near future I definitely have no certain thoughts about myself just to be clear )

 

[Hack-Hook]

rumors is every bodies favorites aka Zakani , Ahmadi-Nejad and Jalili could not wait until they bury mr. Raeisi and themselves or their close circle announced their interest to participate in presidential election on 8th of Tir

 

[Tehrani021]

so you suggest mr. raissi had a talisman that supposed to prevented this happens to his helicopter.
this is what likely happened

Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

the helicopter had 9 on board it was designed for 15 with equipment path was correct , the altitude probably not , it was bad weather and in the bad weather atmospheric pressure suddenly fall and in that situation altimeter show higher altitude. so i believe they were flying lower than what they...

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A bit strange that they put the president in a chopper that is incapable of rising fast enough to evade clouds, like the other 2 choppers could.

 

[Hack-Hook]

A bit strange that they put the president in a chopper that is incapable of rising fast enough to evade clouds, like the other 2 choppers could.

not really , the helicopter was capable of flying over the mountain , they usual select the helicopter last moments . the problem was they entered the cloud formation and that helicopter didn't had a collision warning
by the way i 'm not sure if two other helicopter (mil Mi-17 ) also had any collision warning. also as i said the helicopters didn't fly at same altitude or same line so it may not be the case of could not fly higher in time , other pilot interview suggest mr. raesi helicopter was in front so the accident may be the result it had less time to clear the mountain or the helicopter passed over an area of mountain that was higher

 

[Tehrani021]

not really , the helicopter was capable of flying over the mountain , they usual select the helicopter last moments . the problem was they entered the cloud formation and that helicopter didn't had a collision warning
by the way i 'm not sure if two other helicopter (mil Mi-17 ) also had any collision warning. also as i said the helicopters didn't fly at same altitude or same line so it may not be the case of could not fly higher in time , other pilot interview suggest mr. raesi helicopter was in front so the accident may be the result it had less time to clear the mountain or the helicopter passed over an area of mountain that was higher

You literally said in your refutation post in the other thread that the other two helicopters were more powerful than this one. So you're retracting that now?

A bit strange how the president's chopper may not have collision warning system or they were not flying in unison.

Again pretty much everything you have mentioned is conjecture, just so we're clear.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You literally said in your refutation post in the other thread that the other two helicopters were more powerful than this one. So you're retracting that now?

A bit strange how the president's chopper may not have collision warning system or they were not flying in unison.

Again pretty much everything you have mentioned is conjecture, just so we're clear.

yes they are more powerful , the mil mi-17 have higher power but its also heavier , and interestingly while Mil MI-17 have higher flight ceiling (6km vs 5.3km) because its a lot heavier (7.5ton empty vs 3ton empty) it actually have a little lower climb rate than Bell-212 (1,600 ft/min (8 m/s) vs 1,745 ft/min (8.86 m/s)).


about flying in unison, they were flying in formation but think 3d one is a little higher one is a little lower , one is a little front , one is a little back, they don't fly in line to reduce the accident chance, and again are you sure Mil Mi-17 has collision warning?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

We need to review the whole case from start to finish :

• Setting meeting time with Azerbaijan president
• Meeting place decided to be at border
• Weather condition to reach the meeting place
• Choosing means of travel from airport to border (Car or Helicopter)
• Security condition of traveling path
• Security condition at the meeting place
• Security of Helicopter/Cars at that place
• Checking weather condition for return
• Decision on type machine and path for return
• Securing return path
• Changes of weather condition
• Changing path of return (attitude) based on new weather condition
• Missing President's helicopter
• Announcing alarm situation
• Implementation of alarm situation protocols
• Finding missed helicopter

I know some of these cases are way more important and each may be related to different faction or I may be missing others but the result would be similar.

In each step you may argue for different decisions some of these steps have more than two options so basically chances are lower than one in billions for outcome to be an honest innocent incident.

 

[jauk]

"We are climbing a high summit fraught with dangers and incidents. Fret not as this is the nature of climbing the summit. The canyons, the storms, the heat and cold. We are calm together as we in close in on the summit. And we are closing in.":

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[tsunset]

Turkey president will attend for funerals of Raisi

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It seems like Raisi and Erdogan had some kind of friendship

 

[Tehrani021]

yes they are more powerful , the mil mi-17 have higher power but its also heavier , and interestingly while Mil MI-17 have higher flight ceiling (6km vs 5.3km) because its a lot heavier (7.5ton empty vs 3ton empty) it actually have a little lower climb rate than Bell-212 (1,600 ft/min (8 m/s) vs 1,745 ft/min (8.86 m/s)).


about flying in unison, they were flying in formation but think 3d one is a little higher one is a little lower , one is a little front , one is a little back, they don't fly in line to reduce the accident chance, and again are you sure Mil Mi-17 has collision warning?

But it seems the mi-17s managed to clear the mountain better than the bell. It's bizarre how they didn't have knowledge of the terrain they were flying either so they knew which part of the mountain to climb over. Regarding collision warning, I don't know which variant Iran has, I think the mi-17mtv5 has collision warning. The issue also is even if there was a collision warning, did the aircraft have enough time to react to change altitude?

 

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UN representative holds a minute of silence

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[Garcia Sea]

Iran's inflation falls to 37% in May
https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1403/03/03/3091355/کاهش-تورم-اردیبهشت-به-37-درصد

By the way, I feel a bit strange about this news.
Iran's exchange rate against the dollar has fallen by about 1.18 times in the past year and three months.
So Iran's inflation rate, which is mainly caused by the fall in the exchange rate, should be below 20%.
Of course, there was a time when it fell even more dramatically, but what is the cause of the current high inflation rate, which cannot be explained by exchange rate factors even though it has fallen from its past?
Do you have any ideas?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Iran's inflation falls to 37% in May
https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1403/03/03/3091355/کاهش-تورم-اردیبهشت-به-37-درصد

By the way, I feel a bit strange about this news.
Iran's exchange rate against the dollar has fallen by about 1.18 times in the past year and three months.
So Iran's inflation rate, which is mainly caused by the fall in the exchange rate, should be below 20%.
Of course, there was a time when it fell even more dramatically, but what is the cause of the current high inflation rate, which cannot be explained by exchange rate factors even though it has fallen from its past?
Do you have any ideas?

Consumer point to point inflation (monthly from left side ~March of 2021 to right side ~April of 2023 )

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Inflation (yearly @ IRNA government website)


Old habits die hard

There are multiple exchange rates in Iran and if you are pointing to the market one it will just muddy the water ( that one is also government made with extra steps )

 

[OldTwilight]

Well probably only Mojtaba Khanenei can rally divided Osoulgara parties behind himself.

If he come, I will vote for him