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Qatar Jordan Iraq UAE and now Saudi all said thisWell let’s see if the Saudis finally are one of the first ones to wake up and finally saw the light that if Iran were to fall the Israelis soon enough would be turning the attention on to them turkey Qatar Egypt ir etc which they would soon enough it’s just who the Israelis would find more of a threat in the long term hopefully this isn’t a fake out![]()
The Saudis are worried about Aramco.Well let’s see if the Saudis finally are one of the first ones to wake up and finally saw the light that if Iran were to fall the Israelis soon enough would be turning the attention on to them turkey Qatar Egypt ir etc which they would soon enough it’s just who the Israelis would find more of a threat in the long term hopefully this isn’t a fake out![]()
Too many unverified claims.How China Aims to Block Mossad Operations in Iran
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How China Aims to Block Mossad Operations in Iran
China is closely monitoring the extent of Mossad penetration into Iran, especially after the events of 2025 and the Israeli strikes deep inside Iran, which revealed extensive security gaps.moderndiplomacy.eu
Yeah and what happens if they think they can be replaced by other “princes” who got strong armed by himThe Saudis are worried about Aramco.
To add to this, Turkey’s stealth fighter uses U.S. engines and western sub components. And Turkey houses U.S. nuclear weapons arsenal, which is a big deal. Turkey is too embedded with the U.S. to go against Israel.
Yes they have a domestic industry as well, but they are still heavily reliant on being a part of the Western defense ecosystem with access to advisors, spare parts, and technology access.
Lira has gone from 2.5 lira for one dollar to over 40+. That’s without any sanctions on Turkey.
Let’s be honest, US could absolutely collapse the Turkish economy and force Western companies to pull out like it did from Russia after they invaded Ukraine.
Turkish is firmly in U.S. orbit and if Erdogan even thinks about going towards Russia or China he will be disposed very quickly.
I have been on this forum for well over a decade, starting from 2011 onwards and have seen this argument regurgitated over and over. Honestly this argument is getting boring and repetitive. Being part of a larger defence ecosystem revolves mainly around standardization and commonality rather then dependence. We are neither dependent on "Western advisors" or "Technological acces", as we have been shadow sanctioned for decades already. Does it speed up progress? Absolutely since we could test the viability of the Kaan platform for example before our domestic engines were ready. But there is no single part of the fighter jet that we critically need from US/Western component that we can't make ourselves.
We are part of the global trade and international insitutions, like most countries on earth. Every country in the world is so interconnected that any conflict can cause shockwaves in parts of the world that are completely politically disconnected from said conflict. So technically yea if the US or western countries completely pulled out it would cause big problems, but unlike Iran we partake in the international order rather then become a pariah rogue state. Your situation is extremely abnormal, and done so by your own hands. We are still the country who refused US/Israel jets through our airspace to strike Iran, and we are the country who actively lobbied against any strike on Iran, nor do we accept any destabilization effort of Iran but yet still somehow we are firmly in "US orbit" somehow. Make it make sense.
When all is said and done, you will find any reason to somehow justify your views on Turkey. The idea that you are somehow being objective has kind of lost is credibility a long time ago. At the end your many ballistic missiles were not enough to stop Israel and US to penetrate Iranian airspace at their will. For the longest time many Iranian touted their ballistic missiles as a wunderwaffe, well where did that sentiment go i wonder.
So is most of Europe, anything else?You're a member of NATO, I don't have to say more than that really.
So is most of Europe, anything else?
Same can be said about Europe. There's no difference. Denmark is regretting buying F35 for example. I think you understand my argument here.
Don´t fall in that argument regurgitated again and again. If that were truth we would see right a month ago all kind of aircrafts flying inside iranian airspace.At the end your many ballistic missiles were not enough to stop Israel and US to penetrate Iranian airspace at their will.
Fake news, Scott Ritter is a CIA agent who worked for years in the US Army killing innocent people. He is lying and trying to reverse the defeat of the Color Revolution, creating a new narrative that the Color Revolution won because its objective was to lose!How China Aims to Block Mossad Operations in Iran
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How China Aims to Block Mossad Operations in Iran
China is closely monitoring the extent of Mossad penetration into Iran, especially after the events of 2025 and the Israeli strikes deep inside Iran, which revealed extensive security gaps.moderndiplomacy.eu
My friend, Turkey is a country controlled by NATO, the US, and Israel, and it doesn't possess any equipment for open warfare against them. Turkey is militarily occupied by foreigners and still has US nuclear weapons within its borders; it's a modern colony.Don´t fall in that argument regurgitated again and again. If that were truth we would see right a month ago all kind of aircrafts flying inside iranian airspace.
But that is it.
Turkey has the most awesome record in military modernisation of all NATO membership, even more than americans in some areas (UAV systems).
Iran needs to rebuild in a similar way all their conventional army, from the bow to the stern of their Armed Forces. And Turkey should be the mirror. Ballistic missile program and hidden nuclear program is not enough.
But again the problem it is their Economy. They cannot build from the scratch a manned or unmanned Qaher or whatever UAV with this Economy.
And I am pretty sure Turkish governement and Iranian one are working in some areas in the same way. Iran covered well Erdogan´s butt in the uprising and I am pretty sure Turkey did the same with Khamenei last month.
Germans, frenchies, italians and spaniards took 400 years of stupids wars to learn it.
I hope turkish, iranians and pakistanese people understand it and save millions of lives. Don´t be fooled by westerns idiots.
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