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[tsunset]

does kilo submarine have any guided weapon? does it have any datalink ?

Forget the Kilo, but you really think Iran is going to buy Mi-28 with standard Russian export missiles such as Ataka? Iran has missiles with double of Ataka range and more than LMUR, including air to air helico missiles

Why would Russia force us to integrate only their weapons? India has plenty of Russian systems incorporating Indian/foreign weapons on them

Mi-28 is a success on the battlefield in Ukraine as much as other helicopters, it is one of the most modern heavy attack helicopter, with Iranian weapons on it, it would outclass Apache, Ka-52 and China Z counterparts by far

 

[Kyussis]

did anyone make an order and they didn't deliver

I don't know.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Those are different class engine.

I don’t believe Iran is making attack helicopter engine from scratch or else they would have moved on to Super Cobra design they unveiled.

what difference
Mi Mil-28 has 2 × Klimov TV3-117 turboshaft engines, 1,636 kW (2,194 hp) each
Ah-1j has 2 × General Electric T700-401 turboshaft engine, 1,690 shp (1,260 kW) each (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)

to me they look same class .

 

[Kyussis]

what difference
Mi Mil-28 has 2 × Klimov TV3-117 turboshaft engines, 1,636 kW (2,194 hp) each
Ah-1j has 2 × General Electric T700-401 turboshaft engine, 1,690 shp (1,260 kW) each (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)

to me they look same class .

The GE T700-401 engines are used on Super Cobras and Apaches. Iran's Sea cobras are powered by the Prat and Whitney CanadaT400-WV-402 Turboshaft engines which is the military version of PT6T Turboshaft engines. The twin Pack on the Sea Cobra produces 2000SHP at 6000rpm. Definitely not in the same class as TV-3.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The GE T700-401 engines are used on Super Cobras and Apaches. Iran's Sea cobras are powered by the Prat and Whitney CanadaT400-WV-402 Turboshaft engines which is the military version of PT6T Turboshaft engines. The twin Pack on the Sea Cobra produces 2000SHP at 6000rpm. Definitely not in the same class as TV-3.

again same class, all the engines used in AH1 take your pick

• 1 × P&W Canada T400-CP-400 (PT6T-3 Twin-Pac) turboshaft engine, 1,530 shp (1,140 kW) (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)
• 
  
• P&WC T400-WV-402 Take-off power: 1,800 shp (1,300 kW) at 33,000 free-power turbine rpm: flat-rated to 1,290 shp (960 kW)
• Maximum continuous power: 1,600 shp (1,200 kW) at 33,000 free-power turbine rpm: flat-rated to 1,135 shp (846 kW)
• 
  
• 2 × General Electric T700-401 turboshaft engine, 1,690 shp (1,260 kW) each (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)

the second one is what iran get
In 1971, Iran purchased 202 examples of an improved AH-1J, named "AH-1J International", from the United States.[34] This model featured improvements such as the uprated P&WC T400-WV-402 engine and a strengthened drivetrain.
and this is what on Mi Mil-28
2 × Klimov TV3-117 turboshaft engines, 1,636 kW (2,194 hp) each
now if you say that 290kw made it a new class of engines then ok

 

[Kyussis]

again same class, all the engines used in AH1 take your pick

• 1 × P&W Canada T400-CP-400 (PT6T-3 Twin-Pac) turboshaft engine, 1,530 shp (1,140 kW) (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)
• 
  
• P&WC T400-WV-402 Take-off power: 1,800 shp (1,300 kW) at 33,000 free-power turbine rpm: flat-rated to 1,290 shp (960 kW)
• Maximum continuous power: 1,600 shp (1,200 kW) at 33,000 free-power turbine rpm: flat-rated to 1,135 shp (846 kW)
• 
  
• 2 × General Electric T700-401 turboshaft engine, 1,690 shp (1,260 kW) each (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)

the second one is what iran get
In 1971, Iran purchased 202 examples of an improved AH-1J, named "AH-1J International", from the United States.[34] This model featured improvements such as the uprated P&WC T400-WV-402 engine and a strengthened drivetrain.
and this is what on Mi Mil-28
2 × Klimov TV3-117 turboshaft engines, 1,636 kW (2,194 hp) each
now if you say that 290kw made it a new class of engines then ok

The stats you give for the T400/PT6P that is given is for the "Twin Pack" not each engine!

 

[Hack-Hook]

The stats you give for the T400/PT6P that is given is for the "Twin Pack" not each engine!

can you please stop it , the stat are for a single engine.

and they directly come from the wikipedia page for the engine not for the page for helicopter and for the information it even don't matter as even it was from the helicopter page they would have mentioned the stat for one engine and added a 2x before it

Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6T - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Manufacturer: Bell Helicopter Company
Dimensions: Length: 53 ft., 4 in.; Height: 13 ft., 8 in.; Rotor Diameter: 44 ft.
Weights: Empty: 6,518 lb.; Gross Weight: 9,637 lb.
Power Plant: Two 1,800 horsepower Pratt & Whitney T400-CP engines
Performance: Maximum Speed: 207 M.P.H.; Service Ceiling: 10,550 ft.; Range: 359 miles
Armament: One fixed forward-firing 20mm cannon and rockets
Crew: Pilot and gunner/observer
https://www.history.navy.mil/conten...re/collections/aircraft/a/ah-1j-seacobra.html

 

[Kyussis]

can you please stop it , the stat are for a single engine.

and they directly come from the wikipedia page for the engine not for the page for helicopter and for the information it even don't matter as even it was from the helicopter page they would have mentioned the stat for one engine and added a 2x before it

Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6T - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Manufacturer: Bell Helicopter Company
Dimensions: Length: 53 ft., 4 in.; Height: 13 ft., 8 in.; Rotor Diameter: 44 ft.
Weights: Empty: 6,518 lb.; Gross Weight: 9,637 lb.
Power Plant: Two 1,800 horsepower Pratt & Whitney T400-CP engines
Performance: Maximum Speed: 207 M.P.H.; Service Ceiling: 10,550 ft.; Range: 359 miles
Armament: One fixed forward-firing 20mm cannon and rockets
Crew: Pilot and gunner/observer
https://www.history.navy.mil/conten...re/collections/aircraft/a/ah-1j-seacobra.html

Again the 1800 SHP of the P&WC T-400 is for the "TWIN PACK",otherwise you are saying that each engine of the Twin Pack is more powerful than the GE T700-GE-700! If you don't believe me, Go look at Pratt & Whitney's own website https://www.prattwhitney.com/en/products/helicopter-engines/pt6t

 

[Immortals]

what difference
Mi Mil-28 has 2 × Klimov TV3-117 turboshaft engines, 1,636 kW (2,194 hp) each
Ah-1j has 2 × General Electric T700-401 turboshaft engine, 1,690 shp (1,260 kW) each (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)

to me they look same class .

Sure if you think MIL-28 4000 HP = 2000 HP of Cobra

Let’s set aside one engine is based on Russian architecture and the other is western architecture.

Let’s also set aside since when does Russia supply Iran with standalone MIL-28 engines for its Cobras? Russia won’t even sell Iran more modern tank engines.

If Iran had access to mass producible or mass acquirable helicopter engine than they would have made more modern attack helicopter as well as civilian “national helicopter project” wouldn’t have died into oblivion. This is why Iran is considering Mi-28.


I don’t believe Iran needs more attack helicopters unless it plans on building a drone and helicopter carrier. Attack helicopters are suited for homeland defense or invasion of a neighbor. Utility is low.

Iran is better of building longer distance supersonic (Mach 2+) heavy bomber drones then spending time reverse engineering helicopter engines or trying to build more attack helicopter. That should be low priority given the type of threats Iran faces..

 

[Hack-Hook]

Sure if you think MIL-28 4000 HP = 2000 HP of Cobra

Let’s set aside one engine is based on Russian architecture and the other is western architecture.

Let’s also set aside since when does Russia supply Iran with standalone MIL-28 engines for its Cobras? Russia won’t even sell Iran more modern tank engines.

If Iran had access to mass producible or mass acquirable helicopter engine than they would have made more modern attack helicopter as well as civilian “national helicopter project” wouldn’t have died into oblivion. This is why Iran is considering Mi-28.


I don’t believe Iran needs more attack helicopters unless it plans on building a drone and helicopter carrier. Attack helicopters are suited for homeland defense or invasion of a neighbor. Utility is low.

Iran is better of building longer distance supersonic (Mach 2+) heavy bomber drones then spending time reverse engineering helicopter engines or trying to build more attack helicopter. That should be low priority given the type of threats Iran faces..

interesting comparing twine engine mil-28 with single engine AH1 that Iran never received
your number must be more in line with Sure if you think MIL-28 4388 HP = 3600 HP of Cobra

Let’s set aside one engine is based on Russian architecture and the other is western architecture.

now we cant even modify a gearbox , thanks for your vote of confidence to our engineers , i remember your idea of our capabilities and use it against you in appropriate time and appropriate place.

Let’s also set aside since when does Russia supply Iran with standalone MIL-28 engines for its Cobras? Russia won’t even sell Iran more modern tank engines.

so you admit Russian are not trustworthy partners. by the way did you ask for it ?

This is why Iran is considering Mi-28.

why Iran considering iskandar according to the media that broke the news i taught we make them like candy

 

[Hack-Hook]

Again the 1800 SHP of the P&WC T-400 is for the "TWIN PACK",otherwise you are saying that each engine of the Twin Pack is more powerful than the GE T700-GE-700! If you don't believe me, Go look at Pratt & Whitney's own website https://www.prattwhitney.com/en/products/helicopter-engines/pt6t

for Gods sake i tempt to consider your behavior as trolling at least learn to read your own technical sheet from the same page you graciously provided link

Shaping a new generation of helicopters, the PT6T Twin-Pac® has been the workhorse of 1,800 to 2,000 shaft horsepower, medium-class helicopters for four decades and is still going.

The 1,800 to 2,000 shaft horsepower class, twin-power section PT6T has been produced in 11 models and its versatility has been demonstrated on a wide variety of applications around the world.

PT6T models are available ranging in shaft horsepower power from 1,800 to over 2,200 shaft horsepower.

a question for you how many shaft the twin pack have?

PT6T basic configuration consists of two PT6A power sections coupled to a combining gearbox with a novel clutch system enabling both twin and single engine operation. The power section configurations are exactly the same as that of the PT6A turboprop, i.e. a two-shaft configuration consisting of a multi-stage compressor driven by a single-stage compressor turbine and an independent shaft coupling the power turbine to the output shaft through the combining reduction gearbox.

 

[Kyussis]

what difference
Mi Mil-28 has 2 × Klimov TV3-117 turboshaft engines, 1,636 kW (2,194 hp) each
Ah-1j has 2 × General Electric T700-401 turboshaft engine, 1,690 shp (1,260 kW) each (de-rated from 1,800 shp (1,342 kW) for drivetrain limitations)

to me they look same class .

Before I brought up the P&WC T-400 TWIN PAC you thought that Iran's Sea cobra's where powered by GE T700

If reading comprehension is too much for you look at the pretty pictures to see what Twin Pac means!https://www.prattwhitney.com/en/products/helicopter-engines/pt6t

 

[tsunset]

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[Hack-Hook]

Before I brought up the P&WC T-400 TWIN PAC you thought that Iran's Sea cobra's where powered by GE T700

If reading comprehension is too much for you look at the pretty pictures to see what Twin Pac means!https://www.prattwhitney.com/en/products/helicopter-engines/pt6t

if you read correctly i put all the engine was used in Ah-1 there and i stated P&WC T400-WV-402 which is the engine iran received and the first time i mentioned iranian AH1J was later after your post. in my post before you start this nonsense i stated AH1-J which clearly is not Iranian helicopter and use general electric engine as Iranian Helicopter is AH-1j International


by the way as i recall in this post a guy named @Kyussis was the one who claimed iranian helicopter use GE T700-GE-401 look at this post

The deal for the Mi-28s was signed for the IRGC.
The IRIAA has no plans for acquiring Mi-28s because of the investments that they have made in indigenes systems. There are rumour that IRIAA is in the process of completing a domestic copy of the GE T700-GE-401 engine to be used on an upcoming Toufan III attack helicopter.

so if you have any complaint bring it to that dude

 

[Kyussis]

by the way as i recall in this post a guy named @Kyussis was the one who claimed iranian helicopter use GE T700-GE-401 look at this post


so if you have any complaint bring it to that dude

Wow, Here you go demonstrating your lack of reading comprehension once again. Please go reread what I wrote. Take your time. You will see that I never wrote that Iranian
Cobras were equipped with the GE T700s. I wrote:
"There are rumours that IRIAA is in the process of completing a domestic copy of the GE T700-GE-401 engine to be used on an upcoming Toufan III attack helicopter."