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[Mehdipersian]

Interesting information in the Tehrani Moghaddam's biography book:



It says we have hundreds of Fateh 110 missiles in 2006.

The Fateh 110 missile has been produced since 2002, indicating that hundreds of Fateh 110 missiles have been manufactured in 4 years.

This missile production capability is very high, and if this production capability has existed for all these years and has probably increased, high numbers would be obtained.

 

[Shags101]

Interesting information in the Tehrani Moghaddam's biography book:

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It says we have hundreds of Fateh 110 missiles in 2006.

The Fateh 110 missile has been produced since 2002, indicating that hundreds of Fateh 110 missiles have been manufactured in 4 years.

This missile production capability is very high, and if this production capability has existed for all these years and has probably increased, high numbers would be obtained.

If anything that’s the one they have most of is if those series those would be used the most at American bases idk why they weren’t used at American bases in Qatar instead of more expensive longer range missiles

 

[ToddE]

Current BM arsenal

Suspected ICBM/SLV

Qased on TEL
Ghaem 100 series on TEL

Borderline IRBMs
K-4 clustered warhead Exoatmospheric PBV on hypergolic fuel
Sejjil-II dual staged solid fueled RV

MRBM
Fattah Hypersonic missile
Kheybar Shikan 1/2 Skip Glide Missile
Etemad CPRA (ECM) Endoatmospheric MaRV
Ghadr-F Endoatmospheric+Exoatmospheric MaRV

SRBM

Qasim Basir EO guided datalinked quasiballistic MaRV
Zolfaghar INS guided quasiballistic MaRV
Fateh-Mobin/313/Raad-500 quasiballistic MaRV

TBM

Fath-360

AShBM
Persian Gulf EO/IIR guided quasi Ballistic Missile
Hormuz 1/2 Anti-Radiation quasi Ballistic MaRV
Zolfaghar Basir quasi Ballistic MaRV

 

[Piet]

Current BM arsenal

Suspected ICBM/SLV

Qased on TEL
Ghaem 100 series on TEL

Borderline IRBMs
K-4 clustered warhead Exoatmospheric PBV on hypergolic fuel
Sejjil-II dual staged solid fueled RV

MRBM
Fattah Hypersonic missile
Kheybar Shikan 1/2 Skip Glide Missile
Etemad CPRA (ECM) Endoatmospheric MaRV
Ghadr-F Endoatmospheric+Exoatmospheric MaRV

SRBM

Qasim Basir EO guided datalinked quasiballistic MaRV
Zolfaghar INS guided quasiballistic MaRV
Fateh-Mobin/313/Raad-500 quasiballistic MaRV

TBM

Fath-360

AShBM
Persian Gulf EO/IIR guided quasi Ballistic Missile
Hormuz 1/2 Anti-Radiation quasi Ballistic MaRV
Zolfaghar Basir quasi Ballistic MaRV

Bad mojo.

Lets hope that these remain on their TELs, in launch silos etc.

That would mean that deterrence has functioned as it was intended to, and that all the adults in the room has fully grasped that finding a way forward would be greatly preferable to unleashing such an arsenal.

Piet

 

[Immortals]

I remember vividly having the argument on here that silo doors were destroyed and some here pushed back and said they have not been then it was due to image quality or that Iran had them open.

Is that still the consensus? Because it looks like Israel had enough precision to hit the doors:

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[Immortals]

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This is Fake news

 

[Arash]

This is Fake news

How do you know ? Is iran currently tedting new weapons ?

 

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lets please not share such obviously fake news from terrible sources

 

[ToddE]

Current BM arsenal

Suspected ICBMs/TEL-SLV

Qased on TEL
Ghaem 100 series on TEL

Borderline IRBMs
K-4 clustered warhead Exoatmospheric PBV on hypergolic fuel
Sejjil-II dual staged solid fueled RV

MRBM
Fattah Hypersonic missile
Kheybar Shikan 1/2 Skip Glide Missile
Etemad CPRA (ECM) Endoatmospheric MaRV
Ghadr-F Endoatmospheric+Exoatmospheric MaRV

SRBM

Qasim Basir EO guided datalinked quasiballistic MaRV
Zolfaghar INS guided quasiballistic MaRV
Fateh-Mobin/313/Raad-500 quasiballistic MaRV

TBM

Fath-360

AShBM
Persian Gulf EO/IIR guided quasi Ballistic Missile
Hormuz 1/2 Anti-Radiation quasi Ballistic MaRV
Zolfaghar Basir quasi Ballistic MaRV

With Fattah-2 abandoned as per reports in favor of development of Fattah-3, one needs to wonder what it will be ? rational prediction would be something based upon massive success of KS and Fattah against monstrous ABM/AD layers. Anyone got any idea ?

 

[Immortals]

With Fattah-2 abandoned as per reports in favor of development of Fattah-3, one needs to wonder what it will be ? rational prediction would be something based upon massive success of KS and Fattah against monstrous ABM/AD layers. Anyone got any idea ?

Why was Fatah-2 abandoned? Why would a Fattah-3 would even need to replace it? There is still no evidence Fattah-1 is even mass produced. This all looks like the Ashura -> Sejil -> Sejil 2 debacle.

As I said, Iran’s missile program died in 2010 with Tehrani Moghdamm death (assassination). Everything that came after was just projects the Shahrud team picked up from the old Moghdam team’s files .

Then Iran spent time merely building variants of Fateh-110 family and then warhead variants and building variants of Shahab family. Working on accuracy, etc.

The only new engineering family released post 2010 was Khorramshahr. Everything else is built off of Fateh or Shahab family, with just elongated or different fuel mixture or different warhead/guidance system.

Even Fattah family clearly used the the same body as the longer range family of Qassem or Kheyibar class and changed the second stage and warhead. Despite numerous engines tested at Shahrud, Iran still doesn’t have a major breakthru in missile engine technology.

Basically what I am saying is Iran has stagnated in missile development in last 15 years. I think this is direct ramification of Khamenai’s 2000KM limit and the death of key engineers over the years. It makes you wonder what these billions in R&D produced in last 15 years?

 

[Shags101]

Why was Fatah-2 abandoned? Why would a Fattah-3 would even need to replace it? There is still no evidence Fattah-1 is even mass produced. This all looks like the Ashura -> Sejil -> Sejil 2 debacle.

As I said, Iran’s missile program died in 2010 with Tehrani Moghdamm death (assassination). Everything that came after was just projects the Shahrud team picked up from the old Moghdam team’s files .

Then Iran spent time merely building variants of Fateh-110 family and then warhead variants and building variants of Shahab family. Working on accuracy, etc.

The only new engineering family released post 2010 was Khorramshahr. Everything else is built off of Fateh or Shahab family, with just elongated or different fuel mixture or different warhead/guidance system.

Even Fattah family clearly used the the same body as the longer range family of Qassem or Kheyibar class and changed the second stage and warhead. Despite numerous engines tested at Shahrud, Iran still doesn’t have a major breakthru in missile engine technology.

Basically what I am saying is Iran has stagnated in missile development in last 15 years. I think this is direct ramification of Khamenai’s 2000KM limit and the death of key engineers over the years. It makes you wonder what these billions in R&D produced in last 15 years?

Do you need missiles with more than 2000 or 3000 range Iran isn’t Germany of world war 2 won’t have 10a of thousands of rockets raining on Europe or America and if they ever develop that hypothetical nuclear warhead one day other than a deterrent if they actually hit European or American soil with a warhead like that it would be endgame for Iran.
Honestly love the fateh missile but yeah I agree nothing really new or amazing just slight improvements on older missiles

 

[ToddE]

Why was Fatah-2 abandoned? Why would a Fattah-3 would even need to replace it? There is still no evidence Fattah-1 is even mass produced. This all looks like the Ashura -> Sejil -> Sejil 2 debacle.

Considering that Jeffery Lewis identified Fattah-1 used even in TP2 let alone in war where it was seen many times, I see no reason to speculate that its not mass produced. Why would not IRGCASF produce its most prized weapon ? Why was Fattah-2 abandoned, my guess would be as good as yours but if I have to think, I would say it was Hajizadeh's brainchild and it died with him. Mousavi may have his own ideas just Hajizadeh had his own ones from Moghaddam. Mousavi is kinda extremely quiet type as well compared to Media Loving Hajizadeh.

Also Sejil-II is actual designation of the missile, the Sejil-I and Ashura were its prototypes perhaps. Its produced in good numbers, used in war and IMO (I have no proof) its disfavored for further production if Ghaem series SLV => IRBM/ICBM route is actually taken. Similarly, K-4 as cluster munitioned PBV turned out to the real product of K-1,2 and K-3(MaRVed) protoypes. Logical.

As I said, Iran’s missile program died in 2010 with Tehrani Moghdamm death (assassination). Everything that came after was just projects the Shahrud team picked up from the old Moghdam team’s files .

I would disagree because Tehrani Moghaddam's work was around heavy solid fuel engines that birthed Sejil-II, Rafay solid fuel engines in Zoljaneh and Ghaem SLVs. While Sleek precision MaRVs we see in bulk driven from Fateh family today is work of Hajizadeh including Fattah-1, KS, Haj Qsem family and Qasim Basir (most advanced) of the group. Fateh series was born under Moghaddam but Hajizadeh cultivated it to extremes. Skip Glide/Quasi Ballistics, Hypersonic, Endo/Exo MaRVs, PBV, Terminal guidance is all work of Hajizadeh.

Then Iran spent time merely building variants of Fateh-110 family and then warhead variants and building variants of Shahab family. Working on accuracy, etc.

Ironically Shahab family was from Moghaddam times. In its purist form, Shahab-3C was last of the series that died with or around Moghaddam. Today we do have two MRBM descendants in form of Ghadr-F with an Exo+Endo atmospheric MaRV and Emad/Etemad with a CPRA ECM patch and MaRV. Another speculated member of the family is TELed Qassed SLV with a solid kickoffstage.

The only new engineering family released post 2010 was Khorramshahr. Everything else is built off of Fateh or Shahab family, with just elongated or different fuel mixture or different warhead/guidance system.

Disagred, based upon dias which point to engine origin, Iranian missiles/SLVs have 5 families. The list only includes the missile we know have been produced and are seen in high numbers in excersizes or used in actual battle.

Ashura (Prototype) => Sejil-I (Prototype) => Sejil-II (Produced) => Zoljaneh SLV (Produced) => Ghaem SLV (Produced) => Ghaem 105 accused ICBM ??

R-27/Musudan => K-1/2 (Prototype) => K-3 MaRV (Produced ?) => K-4 PBV (Produced)

Shahab 3C (Retired) => Ghadr-F Exo+Endo atmospheric MaRV (Produced) => Qassed SLV.

Shahab 3C (Retired) => Emad MarV (Produced) => Etemad with CPRA ECM patch and MaRV (Produced)

Shahab-2 (Retired) => Qiam 1/2 MaRV (Produced/Retired ?)

Fateh series => Fateh 313 => Persian Gulf AShBM, FatehMobin => Dezful => Raad-500 => Zolfaghar/Zolfaghar Basir AShBM => Haj Qasem (All produced)

Kheybar Shikan 1 => Kheybar Shikan 2 => Fattah Hyperonic MaRV => Qasim Basir EO/IR MaRV (All produced)

Even Fattah family clearly used the the same body as the longer range family of Qassem or Kheyibar class and changed the second stage and warhead. Despite numerous engines tested at Shahrud, Iran still doesn’t have a major breakthru in missile engine technology.

Actually, reality is very different if you count the engine types.

1) They have one for KS/Fattah family
2) One for Fateh driven family
3) Rafay for Sejil and its driven SLVs
4) One for K-3/4
5) One for Emad/Ghadr-F/Etemad, Qased SLV
6) Then we have separate MaRVs/PBVs propulsions and SLV Kick offstages (Salman, Vahab etc).

Like fighter jet engines, missile engines are not numerous either. If one model is performing fine with required ISP, why would they need to waste money of changing it ? I would rather have them strictly stick to just 2-3 types.

Basically what I am saying is Iran has stagnated in missile development in last 15 years. I think this is direct ramification of Khamenai’s 2000KM limit and the death of key engineers over the years. It makes you wonder what these billions in R&D produced in last 15 years?

Considering the missile program is the deterent and main offensive weapon of IRI in conflicts or wars, I would not call it stagnation. IRGCASF had other areas to focus on as well such as new bases, excavating storage units, underground bases. Yes IRGCASF and ISA both failed in Soleimani LEO constellation plan (as of yet), they have not produced reliable ALBMs or actual supersonic LACMs but considering that its a sanctioned group, the progress they made and war they fought solely points to them being a sound force. Compare them to corrupt clowns IRIAF had for last 25 years for example.

If you are strictly asking for where the money went then Khamenei gave 500+ Billion USD to Arab militias to fight Israel. God knows what did he want but there goes the budget.

 

[falcon34]

yes , but preemptive strike are a bad idea though .

Tbh, the last round still baffles, all Iran had to was keep firing Shaheen drones every keep the IAF busy in defending their skies from these drones and than 2-3 volleys of ballistic missile per they couldn't even do, preemptive strikes are out of their league.
After all their talk the biggest volley they could fire was 100 or so missiles during the war and after that it kept declining