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[Shadihassan28]

'Defense is more expensive than offense': The cost of Iran's missile attack and Israel's defense

The unwritten rule is that the interceptor missile always costs more than the missile being intercepted. Defense is more expensive than offense.

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You have to read Israeli newspapers very thoroughly sometimes they sometimes get around Israeli censorship by admitting that Iranian missiles were in fact far more potent and accurate than the last round

 

[ResurgentIran2]

There is no such thing as missiles ‘powerful enough’ to destroy something as ginormous as these air bases with a few strikes. Nuclear weapons would get the job done but if you want to use conventional warheads you will have to spend dozens and dozens or so missile strikes on such a base to reliably take it out of commission. This is something that has always been known and Iran would have prepared enough stockpile for these large airbases.

In terms of accuracy, how are you coming to the conclusion these missiles are not accurate? You can literally see strikes on hangers and middle of runway etc a simple understanding of CEP and statistics would demonstrate how accurate these missile have to be to achieve this. Unless obvious, it can be hard to do a proper assessment because you’d need to know exactly what Iran was targeting to know whether it missed or not. Seems to me Iran did use some older liquid fuelled missile which have a larger CEPs compared to like KS1/2 so naturally you will see missiles miss the mark.

The fact Iran can hit a spot like a runway from at least 1100km away with a ballistic missile is truly incredible. No other nation has come even close to demonstrate this level of ballistic missile capability in a real time strike.

Truly incredible.

What this strike showed was this: Israel could not even stop a barrage consisting of MAX 200 missiles( in reality probably lower). But even if the 200 figure is accurate, this is nothing to Iran. If Iran wanted to strike Israel with the intention to properly harm, the devastation on Israel would be extreme. Irans coventional ballistic missile power is so much that Israel’s only true deterrence is their nuclear option.

Now if Iran develops a powerful airforce to supplement this incredible missile , uav and air defence then what a potent military it will become.

Lets hope Israel does not set back Iran's military achievements several years, after the smoke clears with this round of conflict :/

 

[Mehdipersian]

All the points of impact of Iranian missiles on Nevatim air base:

 

[Hack-Hook]

I counted around 60 missiles. no where near the claims of 180-400. This makes me think that the 90% hit claim is an accurate figure from all the Impact videos we have seen.

I agree. Yet Salami clearly said 200. Although Sepah's notice declared 10s.

Something to consider is that we used both ballistic missile and quasi ballistic missile .
The quasi ballistic missiles use a depressed path and when they reach Jordan probably they have low enough altitude to lighten up and you see them from the ground, but I believe the ballistic missiles are still outside atmospher and there is not enough air friction to make them visible

 

[GWXP]

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32 hits on Nevatim. I count maybe 9 accurate/semi-accurate hits.

we should accept that we cannot put these airbases out of operation with current missiles (too inaccurate, not powerful enough, airbases too big and difficult to put out of operation for any extended period of time anyway which makes trying not worth the effort)

Is we assume runways/roads and buildings have been targeted (to send a message), there are probably 15 accurate/semi-accurate hits.

That's roughly 50% effectiveness which is not bad for ballistic missiles launched from 1700km away.

That is why you usually lauch 2 missiles per target to ensure its destruction.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Is we assume runways/roads and buildings were targeted (to send a message), there are probably 15 accurate/semi accurate hits. That's roughly 50% effectiveness which is not bad for ballistic missiles launched from 1700km away.

That is why you usually lauch 2 missiles per target to ensure its destruction.

Only 8 or 9 of the 32 missile impact points were on empty ground. The accuracy of Iranian missiles was amazing.



Actually, it has now been proven that Iran can hit anywhere in Israel with accuracy in war.



This operation was a disaster for Israel. It is one of their weak air defenses, and this is also from Iran's precise and undetectable missiles. They have no chance against Iran except for an atomic bomb. Their entire infrastructure will be destroyed with a few rounds of Iranian attack. You only have to see Iran's missile inventory. Is it enough or not?

 

[Farhas2000]

Is we assume runways/roads and buildings were targeted (to send a message), there are probably 15 accurate/semi accurate hits.

That's roughly 50% effectiveness which is not bad for ballistic missiles launched from 1700km away.

That is why you usually lauch 2 missiles per target to ensure its destruction.

Only 8 or 9 of the 32 missile impact points were on empty ground. The accuracy of Iranian missiles was amazing.



Actually, it has now been proven that Iran can hit anywhere in Israel with accuracy in war.



This operation was a disaster for Israel. It is one of their weak air defenses, and this is also from Iran's precise and undetectable missiles. They have no chance against Iran except for an atomic bomb. Their entire infrastructure will be destroyed with a few rounds of Iranian attack. You only have to see Iran's missile inventory. Is it enough or not?

Sorry but don't be blinded by ego.

Those satellite pictures (along with videos from central Israel, showing impacts on random civilian roads, an impact next to a school, and an impact next to a residential building) indicate those missiles are a statistical weapon.

You need accurate, precise weapons to effectively take out an airfield. Videos made it seem like that base was absolutely wiped out but in reality it doesn't seem as bad.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Sorry but don't be blinded by ego.

Those satellite pictures (along with videos from central Israel, showing impacts on random civilian roads, an impact next to a school, and an impact next to a residential building) indicate those missiles are a statistical weapon.
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You need accurate, precise weapons to effectively take out an airfield. Videos made it seem like that base was absolutely wiped out but in reality it doesn't seem as bad.

There is a great danger to Israel's infrastructure.

Its entire infrastructure, such as power plants, ports, airports, factories, etc., will be easily destroyed.

Israel does not have much infrastructure, it is a small country

 

[Farhas2000]

There is a great danger to Israel's infrastructure.

Its entire infrastructure, such as power plants, ports, airports, factories, etc., will be easily destroyed.

Israel does not have much infrastructure, it is a small country

It depends on how many missiles that can reach Israel Iran has. If it's 3,000 missiles as it's estimated, I would say Iran can almost guarantee the destruction of 30 to 100 buildings anywhere in Israel, with lower probabilities of taking out more buildings.

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Here you can see that the Iranian missile missed the Mossad HQ by like 300 meters, and probably 450 meters from the center of the building. If that's the CEP, you would need quite a few missiles for a high probability of hitting even a large building like the Mossad HQ. (Also imo hitting it would be purely symbolic)

Keep in mind this might be the effect of Israeli GPS jammers and not a rocket engineering problem.

 

[Mehdipersian]

It depends on how many missiles that can reach Israel Iran has. If it's 3,000 missiles as it's estimated, I would say Iran can almost guarantee the destruction of 30 to 100 buildings anywhere in Israel, with lower probabilities of taking out more buildings.

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Here you can see that the Iranian missile missed the Mossad HQ by like 300 meters, and probably 450 meters from the center of the building. If that's the CEP, you would need quite a few missiles for a high probability of hitting even a large building like the Mossad HQ. (Also imo hitting it would be purely symbolic)

Keep in mind this might be the effect of Israeli GPS jammers and not a rocket engineering problem.

Iran has been producing ballistic missiles for 40 years. No one knows how many missiles Iran has produced. I only know that in these years, Iran's main focus has been on missile attacks.

The accuracy of the missiles has also been good. Take a look at the photo of the Nevatim base

 

[Farhas2000]

Iran has been producing ballistic missiles for 40 years. No one knows how many missiles Iran has produced. I only know that in these years, Iran's main focus has been on missile attacks.

The accuracy of the missiles has also been good. Take a look at the photo of the Nevatim base

I saw the photo, it does not look that good. Very few buildings were actually hit.

 

[UKBengali]

There is no such thing as missiles ‘powerful enough’ to destroy something as ginormous as these air bases with a few strikes. Nuclear weapons would get the job done but if you want to use conventional warheads you will have to spend dozens and dozens or so missile strikes on such a base to reliably take it out of commission. This is something that has always been known and Iran would have prepared enough stockpile for these large airbases.

In terms of accuracy, how are you coming to the conclusion these missiles are not accurate? You can literally see strikes on hangers and middle of runway etc a simple understanding of CEP and statistics would demonstrate how accurate these missile have to be to achieve this. Unless obvious, it can be hard to do a proper assessment because you’d need to know exactly what Iran was targeting to know whether it missed or not. Seems to me Iran did use some older liquid fuelled missile which have a larger CEPs compared to like KS1/2 so naturally you will see missiles miss the mark.

The fact Iran can hit a spot like a runway from at least 1100km away with a ballistic missile is truly incredible. No other nation has come even close to demonstrate this level of ballistic missile capability in a real time strike.

Truly incredible.

What this strike showed was this: Israel could not even stop a barrage consisting of MAX 200 missiles( in reality probably lower). But even if the 200 figure is accurate, this is nothing to Iran. If Iran wanted to strike Israel with the intention to properly harm, the devastation on Israel would be extreme. Irans coventional ballistic missile power is so much that Israel’s only true deterrence is their nuclear option.

Now if Iran develops a powerful airforce to supplement this incredible missile , uav and air defence then what a potent military it will become.

Yes that is actually incredible accuracy and damage when Iran fired at most a few dozen missiles at that airbase.

If Iran sent 200 then that base would be totally destroyed.

1000-1200 missiles and the whole of the Zionist airforce will be wiped out along with their airfields.

Iran demonstrated its ability to carry out a true decapitation strike on the entity on Monday evening.

Remember with a much larger strike, a higher proportion of missiles would get through.

 

[xbat]

It depends on how many missiles that can reach Israel Iran has. If it's 3,000 missiles as it's estimated, I would say Iran can almost guarantee the destruction of 30 to 100 buildings anywhere in Israel, with lower probabilities of taking out more buildings.

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Here you can see that the Iranian missile missed the Mossad HQ by like 300 meters, and probably 450 meters from the center of the building. If that's the CEP, you would need quite a few missiles for a high probability of hitting even a large building like the Mossad HQ. (Also imo hitting it would be purely symbolic)

Keep in mind this might be the effect of Israeli GPS jammers and not a rocket engineering problem.

there are cars just next to the crater but they are intact,no body aware of that ?

 

[Mehdipersian]

I saw the photo, it does not look that good. Very few buildings were actually hit.

32 ballistic missiles were fired from a distance of about 1700 km and passed all defenses and electronic warfare and reached the target with only 8 errors. Who in the world can do this?

 

[Hypersonic]

Sorry but don't be blinded by ego.

Those satellite pictures (along with videos from central Israel, showing impacts on random civilian roads, an impact next to a school, and an impact next to a residential building) indicate those missiles are a statistical weapon.
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You need accurate, precise weapons to effectively take out an airfield. Videos made it seem like that base was absolutely wiped out but in reality it doesn't seem as bad.

The pin point strikes on the hangers, runways etc demonstrate Iran incredible accuracy when it comes to its newer missiles. See this tweet for more information:

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