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Immortals
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Yes, but range for ship to ship attack is much much less. And none of these Iranian ships can see across over the horizon of waters due to curvature of Earth. 2000KM is great if you have coordinates of a fixed stationary land target.
Without satellite, GPS, drone, data link assistance Iranian ships cannot target another vessel over the horizon.
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INT'L MOD
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that's true
but is the role of Moudge class really to engage another navy's ships? that's a suicide mission
attacking fixed targets on land is more feasible but ideally they would act as forward air defence bases (my opinion)
Immortals
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I’m wondering why you think Tomahawk V is just as easy as Harpoon to intercept. One is a loitering CM while the other is subsonic direct to target. Only recently did harpoon get abort command implemented inside the missile. That should tell you how often US is updating the missile compared to Tomahawk.
Again if you cannot tell why this:
(LRASM)
Has more lethality then this:
Then there is no point in debating this with you
You can build smaller supersonic missiles. Every CM doesn’t need to have 2000KM range. Again with excuses.
Example, Iran could have built a naval anti ship variant Of Mobin subsonic CM with .1m2 RCS….why has it not?
Ya-Ali doesn’t exist: another Iranian project that went nowhere. And you can make any CM into naval variant.
what is funny is on one hand you say Iran cannot use more modern CMs because it has no room for missiles and other funny excuses than say why can’t Abu-Mahdi Missile fill the role.
Size of Abu Mahdi
So either you like to argue in circles or are stubborn.
I want you to Google since 2010, how many times Houthi’s have fired C-802 missiles at US navy ships and see how many of them were successful. Then come back and tell me C-802 is still a lethal anti ship missile against US Navy. Maybe against defenseless tankers the size of Empire State Building. Sure.
tsunset
The Legend
I'm pretty sure a supersonic CM with less range is in the books, something like Onyx or Brahmos-1 with less range, even if it will be obsolete in maybe 10 year, this would give experience to open way to something like Brahmos-2, Iran staying full blue kh-55/35/C-8xx based CMs makes no sense for the future of the coastal defense
Who knows maybe they already reversed Onyx and are working for an upgrade of it
Then they should be integrated into coastal defense and future ships with VLS with a mix of them and subsonic blue CM in swarm attacks
Flames In The Desert
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I have to say,it looks really fvcking awesome!!
One of the very first in a entirely new class of warships.
It will be very interesting to see what these ships will look like in another 10-20 years time,because by then every navy in the world with the funding and access to the technology will be operating these sorts of ships.
I hope that in the future we get to see not only navalised variants of the mohajer 6 and the shahed 129 etc...,but even purpose designed naval male/hale class drones as well as vtol/vstol types.
Plus theres also its ability to operate helos and potentially even some fixed wing aircraft,tho that would likely require the development of associated systems like assisted take off and landing.
Still its a potentially massive leap in capability for irans naval forces.
Lets hope that we get to see a [improved] second example under construction for the irin within the next 5 years.
Didn’t read it due to the source obviously. Nice pics though.Later the Iranian Navy received three RH-53Ds that the US Navy had left behind in Tabas and Bam after the failed hostage rescue operation ‘Eagle Claw’ on April 25, 1980 – two airworthy and one badly damaged (see Operation Eagle Claw, CAJ July, p90-95). Two were put into service and the damaged helicopter was cannibalized for parts to keep the examples delivered before the Islamic Revolution operational. These RH-53Ds served with the 13th Minesweeping Squadron at the 2nd Naval Aviation Base in Bushehr.
The Iranian Navy heavily used the RH-53Ds during the Iran-Iraq war. Their main task was the transportation of troops and weapons, and also MEDEVAC. During the Siege of Abadan, they, together with ASH-3Ds as well as Iranian Army CH-47C Chinooks, were used to evacuate thousands of people from the city. Also, they were widely used for minesweeping operations in the Persian Gulf to create safe passage for oil tankers carrying Iranian exported petrochemical products.
SN-2104 is one of six Mi-171 multi-purpose helicopters of the IRGCNA. Ali Naderi
The Iranian Navy lost one RH-53D, 9-2705, during an exercise in Hengam Island in November 1996. Before that, another RH-53D, which had its tail section damaged during the first year of the Iran-Iraq war, withdrew from service. Two other RH-53Ds had been cannibalized for their parts, leaving just three examples operational simultaneously. This number was dropped to only two in 2007, but later the Iranian Navy contracted to restore and repair three RH-53Ds, including one cannibalized for its parts in IHSRC. These two helicopters, along with 9-2704, 9-2702, and 9-2703, returned to service in 2009, 2012, and 2017 respectively.
In 2016, the Iranian Navy restored the minesweeping equipment of the RH-53Ds and the following year it had three operational RH-53Ds. Subsequently, one equipped with Mk.15 Magnetic Influence Minesweeping System carried out its task during the second day of exercise 'Velayat 95' on February 27, 2017. A similar operation was carried out during the second stage of the exercise, 'Prophet Mohammad,' in the Oman Sea on January 23, 2018.
One of the six IRINA RH-53D Sea Stallions (serial 9-2702) pictured in Nowshahr in September 2012. Babak Taghvaee
The Iranian Navy currently has just two of six RH-53Ds operational simultaneously. Two are in the hands of IHSRC for depot maintenance, while two have been cannibalized for their parts at Bushehr. One of the two operational RH-53Ds, 9-2703, has always been deployed to the 1st Naval Aviation Base at Bandar Abbas for minesweeping operations when needed. The helicopter participated in the Navy Day parade in the Oman Sea on November 27, 2022.
Fixed-Wing Aircraft
In February 1979, when the Shah’s government fell following the Islamic revolution, the Imperial Iranian Navy had 13 fixed-wing aircraft comprising three Rockwell Commander 500S liaison aircraft, two Rockwell Commander 690A liaison aircraft, four Dassault Falcon F20E fast jets, and four Fokker 27-400M Troopship light transport aircraft. They were widely used for MEDEVAC, transportation of Iranian Navy personnel, observation, and maritime surveillance missions during the Iran/Iraq war the following year.
One of the Falcon 20Es was delivered to the newly formed Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Air Force during the war. After the Iran-Iraq war, as the Navy’s budget was reduced, all three Rockwell Commander 500S, two Rockwell Commander 690As, the remaining three Falcon 20Es, and one Fokker 27-400M were withdrawn from use. The Rockwell Commanders ended up in Tehran’s Aerospace Exhibition Center, where they were later scrapped, while two of the Falcon 20Es were scrapped for their parts, one more Falcon 20E and the Fokker 27-400M were cannibalized by the Iranian Aircraft Industries (IACI).
Another of the six RH-53Ds (serial 9-2701) of IRINA’s 13th Minesweeper Squadron. Ali Naderi
When the Iranian Navy’s budget was increased in 2009, the sole Fokker 27-400M, 5-2602 and the Falcon 20E, 5-2803, which had yet to be scrapped, were restored and overhauled by IACI and Iran Aseman Airlines respectively. The Iranian Navy could not afford the cost of the Falcon 20E’s restoration so it had the aircraft leased to the Iranian government for three years and finally began operating it for two years between 2012 and 2014. The aircraft is currently in storage again due to budget cuts.
In 2017, the Iranian Navy managed to have all four Fokker 27s operational simultaneously. They were in use for the transportation of personnel and their families between Tehran, Bushehr, Bandar Abbas, Konarak, and Jask as a part of the Sahand (Iranian Navy Air Service) Airlines operations. Due to more budgetary pressures, only two are currently operational. At the time of writing (May 2023), another example was under Check 5 (the heaviest maintenance inspection of Fokker 27) in IACI.
One of four Fokker 27-400M Troopships (serial 5-2602) of IRINA’s 15th Transport Squadron. Ali Naderi
In addition to the Falcon 20E and Fokker 27s, the Iranian Navy has operated three Iranian-made D139 Freebirds since December 3, 2019. The ultralight aircraft are used for pilot training at the 1st Naval Aviation Base in Bandar Abbas. Priced at €195,000, the Freebird is an ultralight version of the D139 Blue Bird light aircraft designed and developed by the Dorna Aircraft Company, owned by Yaqoub Entesari, an Iranian Aerospace Engineer.
As mentioned at the beginning of this article, the Iranian Navy’s budget reductions have resulted in a decrease in the number of airworthy and operational aircraft and helicopters compared to five years ago. A key reason behind the budget cuts is that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy has requested more money is allocated to its own Naval Aviation branch, formed in the 1990s.
As a result of the increase in budget, the IRGC Navy Aviation (IRGCNA) force now has six Mi-171 multipurpose helicopters, including one capable of launching the Chinese-designed C-802KD anti-ship missiles, three Shahed-278 light helicopters used for training, four Bell 206B Jet Ranger II light helicopters (including one capable of launching C-704KD anti-ship missiles!), and four Bell 412EP utility helicopters mainly used by the IRGCNA’s Special Forces.
Ebrahim Raisi, president of the Iranian Islamic Regime, used this AB.312ASV, 6-2415, for his flight to IRINS Sahand, a Moudge-class frigate, on November 27, 2022. Amir Zamani
The IRGCNA also operates five Russian-built AeroVolga LA-8 and 18 Iranian-made Bavar-2 amphibious aircraft. In addition, there are three ultralight aircraft used for pilot training in the IRGC Navy. These aircraft and helicopters are based south of the 1st Naval Aviation Base of the Iranian Navy.
While the number of operational or airworthy aircraft and helicopters of the Iranian Navy is declining, IRGCNA is adding one Bell 412EP to its fleet each year, with up to 12 operational over the next five years. Also, more Mi-171s are planned to be ordered from the Ulan-Ude Helicopter Manufacturing Plant. It remains to be seen whether this will cause problems for the IRINA or not.
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Originally published in Combat Aircraft Journal
Flames In The Desert
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Yeaaah.......
That sorta reminds me of the airforce saying back in whenever it was [2018/19] that the kaman 12 was going into production,yet 2 years later the kaman 12 was still only 2 prototypes trotted out for parades or as stationary displays.
The only vls system that we`ve actually seen and has been installed is the irgcn one.
This is where the navy seems to have real problems,it doesnt seem to do well when it comes to developing the other systems that go into or onto the hulls,these seem to be developed almost as afterthoughts,with poor integration and manufactured almost as hand built one offs,a good example being the kamand ciws.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
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I am not upset about Kaman 12, there are many better drones in that class alreadyYeaaah.......
That sorta reminds me of the airforce saying back in whenever it was [2018/19] that the kaman 12 was going into production,yet 2 years later the kaman 12 was still only 2 prototypes trotted out for parades or as stationary displays.
The only vls system that we`ve actually seen and has been installed is the irgcn one.
This is where the navy seems to have real problems,it doesnt seem to do well when it comes to developing the other systems that go into or onto the hulls,these seem to be developed almost as afterthoughts,with poor integration and manufactured almost as hand built one offs,a good example being the kamand ciws.
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
just look at the yearly budget of army and inflation rate
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
is abu-mahdi VLS ?what is funny is on one hand you say Iran cannot use more modern CMs because it has no room for missiles and other funny excuses than say why can’t Abu-Mahdi Missile fill the role.
Size of Abu Mahdi
by the way Qader Missile
| warhead | 155kg SAP/HE |
| fuse | contact-delay |
| weight | 715 kg |
| length | 6383 mm |
| diameter | 360 mm |
| wing span | 1220 mm |
Abu-Mahdi missile
| Mass | 1,650 kg (3,640 lb) with booster |
|---|---|
| Length | 6 m (20 ft) |
| Diameter | 0.55 m (1.8 ft) |
| Wingspan | 3.1 m (10 ft) |
| Warhead | High Explosive |
| Warhead weight | 410 kg (900 lb) |
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Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
wonder based on what design,the uav must have retractable wheel , jet engine means higher speed so they must be something with smaller and more robust wing than what we see in uav like ababil and shahed-129 or kaman.
flying wing is not practical as they take a lot of space , and i don't believe our current flying wing are capable of takeoff in less than 170m
wonder if they are still working on Sofreh-Mahi in secret.
Immortals
Elite Member
Sofreh-Mahi is a medium size unmanned bomber with inspiration from F-117 and B-2. Or at least was supposed to be. Would not be able to launch from carrier deck. Project likely was shelved after Iran captured RQ-170 in 2010.
US has zero flying wing designs that are carrier eligible.
Iran would need soemthing in this design idea for carriers
