Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

[mythbuster]

They are saying now that aragchi will not meet American delegation and will be in Muscat when Americans will land. All these reports are coming from Iran. Stop insulting Pakistan Infront of the whole world. We aren't dying to save Iran. Let them fight each other and when Iran comes begging, don't listen. Whatever is happening right now is very insulting for Pakistan. Ask Americans to stop pushing us in this uncomfortable situation.

Cut some slack to the Iranian , they have to act a bit hoity toity to save face .... don't just read the headlines, read the undercurrents too.

 

[Fatman17]

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi arrived in Islamabad late on Friday — carrying Tehran’s formal response to proposals conveyed earlier by the US through Pakistan — as renewed diplomatic activity gathered pace and US envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner prepared to travel to Islamabad.

Even so, prospects for direct engagement between the two sides remain uncertain.

The Iranian foreign minister was received by Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar and Chief of Defence Forces Field Marshal Asim Munir, according to a Foreign Office statement issued late on Friday night, indicating the importance the Pakistani side attaches to the visit.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1994917/

 

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[Mav3rick]

And who actually has the stomach to fight Iran conventionally for as long as it takes to inflict a decisive defeat upon them??

Did USA? Did Israel?

The economic pain of war on Iran is too severe. The best the "world at large" as you describe it could manage is some slow grinding economic war, which is exactly what Trump is attempting now and is seemingly already tired of it.

Add to that the reality that whoever comes after Trump will not be escalating this war any further and you tell me - who can ride out the next five years of this status quo better?

The more important question is, under current circumstances, how long can Iran actually fight? If Trump does decide to go against his instincts and opts for the long-haul fight, Israel will not back down either. And in these weeks, certain replenishments and deployments would also have been made to cater to restarting of hostilities.

Consider the scenario that talks fail and hostilities restart, and Trump does act on his threats and targets civilian Iranian infrastructure such as Oil producing facilities, Energy Infrastructure / Power Plants, Dams / Water Reservoirs, Bridges and other critical infrastructure......where does Iran stand? We can imagine complete blackouts in Iran with shortage of power, gas, water, air pollution, shortage of food, medicine etc.

The worst Iran can do is inflict pain on GCC countries, which will eventually compel them to engage Iran with their own offensive weapons. That literally means tens of thousands of attacks on Iran daily with GCC Air Force and Drone resources. Moreover, the GCC can also acquire tens of thousands of drones very very quickly from various global suppliers. Iran cannot do that.

Iran will eventually run out of weapons and stamina, but at that time Iran will not be forgiven and will be pounded back to stone age. We can even consider considerable damage to GCC countries in all this, which means Isreal emerges a lot stronger, with literally no rival in Arabian Peninsula. US achieves all this without using nuclear weapons (except maybe tactical battlefield Nukes to annihilate the Iranian frontlines, if US decides to go for boots on the ground).

I continue to think that Iran is not as strong militarily as it postures to be, infact Iran is actually able to bring the US to the negotiations table simply because Trump needs to stop the war else he may lose the majority he has in Senate and eventually the Presidential Elections loss for his party in the next General Elections. Militarily, Iran has nothing to compel the US to negotiations. And if Trump orders the US Navy to open and protect the strait of Hormuz, I doubt Iran can continue to threaten it for too long.

Having written the above, Iran cannot negotiate on its Missile program but will have to lower the enrichment of its fissile material to IAEA acceptable levels. The US will have to lift all sanctions and will have to release Iranian assets seized all over the world. With freedom to sell its gas, oil and other resources, Iran will be able to rebuild quickly including militarily. Iran can even build a very strong Air Force in the next 5-10 years. But for all this, Iran will have to accept limitations on Nuclear ambitions.

 

[PK781]

Fuel prices through the roof. CD70 zindabad!

abhi b time hai, ek khota aur bicycle khareed lein

 

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[mythbuster]

The more important question is, under current circumstances, how long can Iran actually fight? If Trump does decide to go against his instincts and opts for the long-haul fight, Israel will not back down either. And in these weeks, certain replenishments and deployments would also have been made to cater to restarting of hostilities.

Consider the scenario that talks fail and hostilities restart, and Trump does act on his threats and targets civilian Iranian infrastructure such as Oil producing facilities, Energy Infrastructure / Power Plants, Dams / Water Reservoirs, Bridges and other critical infrastructure......where does Iran stand? We can imagine complete blackouts in Iran with shortage of power, gas, water, air pollution, shortage of food, medicine etc.

The worst Iran can do is inflict pain on GCC countries, which will eventually compel them to engage Iran with their own offensive weapons. That literally means tens of thousands of attacks on Iran daily with GCC Air Force and Drone resources. Moreover, the GCC can also acquire tens of thousands of drones very very quickly from various global suppliers. Iran cannot do that.

Iran will eventually run out of weapons and stamina, but at that time Iran will not be forgiven and will be pounded back to stone age. We can even consider considerable damage to GCC countries in all this, which means Isreal emerges a lot stronger, with literally no rival in Arabian Peninsula. US achieves all this without using nuclear weapons (except maybe tactical battlefield Nukes to annihilate the Iranian frontlines, if US decides to go for boots on the ground).

I continue to think that Iran is not as strong militarily as it postures to be, infact Iran is actually able to bring the US to the negotiations table simply because Trump needs to stop the war else he may lose the majority he has in Senate and eventually the Presidential Elections loss for his party in the next General Elections. Militarily, Iran has nothing to compel the US to negotiations. And if Trump orders the US Navy to open and protect the strait of Hormuz, I doubt Iran can continue to threaten it for too long.

Having written the above, Iran cannot negotiate on its Missile program but will have to lower the enrichment of its fissile material to IAEA acceptable levels. The US will have to lift all sanctions and will have to release Iranian assets seized all over the world. With freedom to sell its gas, oil and other resources, Iran will be able to rebuild quickly including militarily. Iran can even build a very strong Air Force in the next 5-10 years. But for all this, Iran will have to accept limitations on Nuclear ambitions.

Renewal of war is a death knell to Iranian and the Iranian fully understand that...... there will be no war , Iran will be given some face saving and the Iranian will sell that to the countrymen as victory and PDF fanboys will buy that hook nail and sinker .

 

[Yasser76]

Witkoff and Kushner visit cancelled. Iran FM has left Islamabad.

 

[mythbuster]

Witkoff and Kushner visit cancelled. Iran FM has left Islamabad.

Iranians are getting cocky , they think they can drag on the negotiations , that ain't happening....Iran has a small window of opportunity to make a deal

 

[Yasser76]

Iranians are getting cocky , they think they can drag on the negotiations , that ain't happening....Iran has a small window of opportunity to make a deal

Yeah, not even waiting for Kushner and Witkoff was uncalled for and undiplomatic.

Again, Pakistan being made to look like a fool....

 

[Cipher212]

Pakistan should bow out of these negotiations and let more professional and discrete players like the Omanis or Turks handle it. Kuch batao hi nah kya hora hay jab tak positive news na aye, and if its negative say nothing and leak nothing.

The way we framed it like some sort of Shaadi event was very cringe. It almost felt as if our government was doing it not for peace itself but for the PR it was bringing them.

 

[Ali_Baba]

More likely that Pakistan relayed Iran's message to the USA, the USA felt there was no need to talk or send any one over in light of the response and that was then relayed to the Iranian delegation.

Not sure this is reflection on Pakistan. They are just the middle men.

This means, there will be more war before either party has had enough. Trumps thinks he can double down and get more, Iran reckons they can wait out the USA and the Global Economy.

Time will tell. If they want to talk again in the future, Pakistan should help but for now, the talks have run their course unfortunately.

 

[mythbuster]

Pakistan should bow out of these negotiations and let more professional and discrete players like the Omanis or Turks handle it. Kuch batao hi nah kya hora hay jab tak positive news na aye, and if its negative say nothing and leak nothing.

The way we framed it like some sort of Shaadi event was very cringe. It almost felt as if our government was doing it not for peace itself but for the PR it was bringing them.

No one can be more discreet and professional than Pakistan ... Pakistan looses nothing if negotiations fail.

 

[Watandar]

US is running out options since the deadline for mandatory congress approval of the war waged by Trump is within days. Trump needs to stop this war by that deadline. So either reaching a ceasefire deal with Iran or infinite extension of “ temporary ceasefire “ is the only options for trump at his end.

Don't get your hopes up as Congress has become the most emasculated institution and has surrendered its power to the executive and courts, in violation of the Constitution. Trump will get his congressional extension for the war.