Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

[mythbuster]

NY Times has an article saying Pakistani sources saying Iranians are still positive about face to face talks.
I think if one takes care of Trump's very stupid Blockade then there will be Islamabad Talks Round 2. Except for people like John Bolton and a few other hawks like him, the consensus is that Trump made a blunder by announcing the Blockade. Trump could be about to do another TACO and probably very soon.

Blockade is not a blunder , it's an excellent tactical move that unnerved the Iranian most ... their Hormuz card got trumped by blockade..... you folks read all kinds of chit and get confused by the utterances of some familiar big names...read less then think more.

 

[Fatman17]

People fall for the GCC funded mullah propaganda or online GCC funded propaganda, they make it out like Iran is some kind of evil but when it comes to Israel they will brush it to the side or downplay it. The fact is GCC are the biggest Usa allies in the Muslim world, GCC funds billions in to western world, buys shares everywhere, companies, their international interests align with the west, this is why they are major allies and Usa has military bases, sells them advance military weaponary, Usa is using GCC lands to shoot down Iranian missiles, is using these lands as bases against Iran. Iran mentioned many times if they are attacked they will retaliate against GCC bases, and Usa interests but GCC still allows Usa to operate on their territory. Look at Syria, Bashar Al Assad, a secular leader was not accepted but new Jolani is a hero in the west, its because he is their boy or part of the GCC crew. Unfortunately educated Muslims cannot see pass this, never mind the ummah who are uneducated people and have no clue what is happening.

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[Fatman17]

Pakistan's only concern should be for Saudi Arabia. Pakistan has been able so far to persuade KSA (and some other Arab countries) not to respond Iranian attacks. It's note worthy that some of these attacks were carried out by Iranian proxies in Iraq.

If Iran starts attacking the KSA again, the best course of action for Pakistan would be trying to defend KSA by shooting down attacking drones/missiles. There is no need to launch any attacks on Iran in response. They should keep it a war between Iran and its enemies by not turning it into a war between Iran and Arabs.

It's also worth noting that both Zionists and Iranians are at the same page to ignite a war between Iran and Arabs. Both have their own evil agenda. Arabs would do the best by avoiding to become a fuel of the war and bring death and destruction to their own people.

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[Fatman17]

I think, there is more at stake for Pakistan than 'good publicity'.

However, Pakistan has tried tirelessly to not only get the two sides sit across the negotiations table but also crafted drafts having common grounds from the proposals received from both sides.

Iranians let down Pakistan by not coming back for the second round. Putting preconditions is just a lame excuse. The negotiation table is meant for discussing exactly those terms and conditions.

It's just my hunch feeling that Iranians have been influenced by a power/country that doesn't want an end to this war. One has to figure out who is/are the beneficiary of a continued war in this region.

IRGC period

 

[Fatman17]

Israeli propaganda

 

[mythbuster]

I think, there is more at stake for Pakistan than 'good publicity'.

However, Pakistan has tried tirelessly to not only get the two sides sit across the negotiations table but also crafted drafts having common grounds from the proposals received from both sides.

Iranians let down Pakistan by not coming back for the second round. Putting preconditions is just a lame excuse. The negotiation table is meant for discussing exactly those terms and conditions.

It's just my hunch feeling that Iranians have been influenced by a power/country that doesn't want an end to this war. One has to figure out who is/are the beneficiary of a continued war in this region.

Gamaji , if you can handle the truth then let me tell you who the beneficiaries are....china , Russia and Pakistan... strategic games have room for brotherly or neighbourly crap .

 

[gamaji]

IRGC period

Israel certainly doesn't want a ceasefire at this point. Zionist Mossad has deep penetration in Iran. May some elements in IRGC are following Mossad's line.

How about Russia? It probably finds it beneficial to keep the US engaged in this war for longer.

There may be more players too.

 

[gamaji]

Gamaji , if you can handle the truth then let me tell you who the beneficiaries are....china , Russia and Pakistan... strategic games have room for brotherly or neighbourly crap .

Bhai, not Pakistan. Why is Pakistan trying so hard to achieve a ceasefire. Irani regime might not be as friendly towards Pakistan as one desires but Pakistan cannot afford a regime change in Iran. At best, that would push Iran into a civil war and at worst a Zionist puppet regime will be installed in Iran. In both cases it will be a nightmare for Pakistan.

A stable Iran is in the interest of the whole region.

 

[mythbuster]

Bhai, not Pakistan. Why is Pakistan trying so hard to achieve a ceasefire. Irani regime might not be as friendly towards Pakistan as one desires but Pakistan cannot afford a regime change in Iran. At best, that would push Iran into a civil war and at worst a Zionist puppet regime will be installed in Iran. In both cases it will be a nightmare for Pakistan.

A stable Iran is in the interest of the whole region.

Whatever is happening in the middle east is scripted and Pakistan is among the selected few script writers... everything is going well with the script.. better not to carry this discussion anymore... Cheers

 

[Olympus81]

Blockade is not a blunder , it's an excellent tactical move that unnerved the Iranian most ... their Hormuz card got trumped by blockade..... you folks read all kinds of chit and get confused by the utterances of some familiar big names...read less then think more.

I think you raise a good point.

From US perspective, blockade was a good move. But it was not in good spirit when negotiations were ongoing and Iranians were due to come to Pakistan for the 2nd round of discussions.

On a tactical level, the Iranians are intercepting ships and onboarding it to take control of its cargo. So, Iranians are tacitly saying, if you hurt us by the blockade, we’ll hurt your and your allies by intercepting your and your allies cargo.

 

[I*R*A]

UAE picked the wrong side the losing side

Just admit it and move on

Rather than trying to justify anything

I am not trying to justify anything, especially when it involves UAE. I am just saying, keep a balance between siding with Saudis and Iranians. Pakistanis think they can best side with Iran if they just go overboard in criticizing Saudi Arabia. They can still show loyalty and support to Iran without doing that, there is no need to become Gobar Arya's of Pakistan. Hopefully you will move on keeping this in mind.

 

[I*R*A]

Saudis can't even beat Houthis. They'd get curb stomped by Iran. They already have been hit.

Again it is not like Saudi Arab cannot respond to Iranian attacks, if they do, then it doesn't benefit anyone. You can celebrate that as Iranian victory and hegemony, but in reality it is Pakistanis and Saudis who are trying not to enable a genocide in Iran and stop it at all cost.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

One needs to understand President Trump's mindset from an American CEO's prism of mind. If an investment gets sour the earlier you abandon it the less is your loss. Then, you can concentrate more on the next project to compensate for the lost revenue. Trump let go his amazing casinos, who were as grandiose as possible, without the blink of an eye....

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

One needs to understand President Trump's mindset from an American CEO's prism of mind. If an investment gets sour the earlier you abandon it the less is your loss. Then, you can concentrate more on the next project to compensate for the lost revenue. Trump let go his amazing casinos, who were as grandiose as possible, without the blink of an eye....

That is wicked I must say...

Trump's failed Atlantic City casino demolished before cheering crowd

Former Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in New Jersey, once a hotspot during a decade of excess, reduced to rubble

www.theguardian.com

Sour indeed! Couldn't have put it better myself...

 

[Yasser76]

Who would ever have thought global markets would react to exactly how busy traffic gets in Rawalpindi, but here we are....