Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[Khansaheeb]

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Israel announces that the yellow line is the new border between Israel and Gaza

de facto occupation and annexation of more than 50% of Gaza to Israel... probably lost forever.

they can announce what they want , the fight and guns decides the final line

 

[Khansaheeb]

It was a terrible deal but they had no choice. A small enclave that is under siege where food and aid was even cut off to even get any weapons.

Only so much you can due under starvation with light weapons being carpet bombed all day and night. Lebanon and Gaza both are in bad shape right now. Israel can freely kill as it wishes and if any retaliation occurs then Lebanon and Gaza will be carpet bombed with impunity. Ceasefire is not for israel evidently. International law is for weak nations. If you need to go the UN, ICC or whatever for help then just know you are already fucked.

Complete failure by the entire Muslim world. All of them are a bunch of weak nations or both weak and cowardly.

Not a failure, they are ruled by corrupts who worship money and money to them is opium.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Not a failure, they are ruled by corrupts who worship money and money to them is opium.

It’s still a colossal failure because the people are barely struggling to survive while the rulers are filthy rich and corrupt people who are destroying their countries. It’s time for Muslims to stop lagging behind and modernize. Need to heavily invest in technology, education, sciences, etc. There has to be a hard focus on quality of life and education especially those who live in rural areas.

Muslims will continue to be subjugated till then.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The Israeli army claims to have eliminated all Rafah resistance fighters trapped in the tunnels.

40 resistance fighters were either martyred or captured, including the commander of the Eastern Rafah Battalion.

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Hamas knew it could not defeat Israel yet forced Palestinians into a war they didn't support and which resulted in 200,000+ Palestinians being killed, thousands of orphans and permanently injured/disabled Palestinians, every single person in Gaza being subject to generational trauma which they will never ever recover from, and losing more than 50% of the Gaza Strip to Israel, which they will never get back

they didn't free Jerusalem or get a Palestinian state, instead Germany has already resumed arms exports to Israel and not even one Muslim country imposed sanctions against Israel, let alone Europe or the West

we cannot ask the Hamas leaders to defend this war because they are also all dead and don't have to answer for their actions

of course, Israel is a Nazi society with Talmudic rules being used to justify genocide, and this is precisely why killing hundreds of their 'civilians' and taking babies and elderly people hostage is a horrible idea.

 

[PakAl]

The Israeli army claims to have eliminated all Rafah resistance fighters trapped in the tunnels.

40 resistance fighters were either martyred or captured, including the commander of the Eastern Rafah Battalion.

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Hamas knew it could not defeat Israel yet forced Palestinians into a war they didn't support and which resulted in 200,000+ Palestinians being killed, thousands of orphans and permanently injured/disabled Palestinians, every single person in Gaza being subject to generational trauma which they will never ever recover from, and losing more than 50% of the Gaza Strip to Israel, which they will never get back

they didn't free Jerusalem or get a Palestinian state, instead Germany has already resumed arms exports to Israel and not even one Muslim country imposed sanctions against Israel, let alone Europe or the West

we cannot ask the Hamas leaders to defend this war because they are also all dead and don't have to answer for their actions

of course, Israel is a Nazi society with Talmudic rules being used to justify genocide, and this is precisely why killing hundreds of their 'civilians' and taking babies and elderly people hostage is a horrible idea.

Not saying the attack was right but Hamas is a militia, they witnessed 1000s of Palestinians killed by Israel pre October 2023, witnessed 10,000s of innocents arrested, tortured, children's jailed, people bullied, harassed daily by Israel, leadership assassinated, they also knew pretty soon the Arabs will recognise Israel and the Palestinian cause will be dead, the arabs GCC already called Hamas as terorrists, they knew the writing on the wall. They must of planned for many years an attack on Israel, and when they saw an opening they went for it. I don't think they expected such Israeli brutality and for the world to close their eyes.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Not saying the attack was right but Hamas is a militia, they witnessed 1000s of Palestinians killed by Israel pre October 2023, witnessed 10,000s of innocents arrested, tortured, children's jailed, people bullied, harassed daily by Israel, leadership assassinated, they also knew pretty soon the Arabs will recognise Israel and the Palestinian cause will be dead, the arabs GCC already called Hamas as terorrists, they knew the writing on the wall. They must of planned for many years an attack on Israel, and when they saw an opening they went for it. I don't think they expected such Israeli brutality and for the world to close their eyes.

why did they abduct babies and elderly people and take them back to Gaza?

what did they achieve?

parts of the attacks were executed well (e.g., the attacks on IDF bases near Gaza), but other parts were pure terrorism, and they had no clear objective, leading to total devastation of Gaza and physiological damage among 2 million Palestinians in Gaza that will not be healed even in 100 years.

was it worth it? the answer is obviously no. you should not attack just because you can, but to achieve a clear objective and if the benefits will outweigh the costs. unfortunately the Hamas leadership were naive and doomed their people to eternal suffering, even with the best of intentions.

 

[PakAl]

why did they abduct babies and elderly people and take them back to Gaza?

what did they achieve?

parts of the attacks were executed well (e.g., the attacks on IDF bases near Gaza), but other parts were pure terrorism, and they had no clear objective, leading to total devastation of Gaza and physiological damage among 2 million Palestinians in Gaza that will not be healed even in 100 years.

was it worth it? the answer is obviously no. you should not attack just because you can, but to achieve a clear objective and if the benefits will outweigh the costs. unfortunately the Hamas leadership were naive and doomed their people to eternal suffering, even with the best of intentions.

I didnt know they kidnapped babies, the propaganda was they killed and burned babies but it was refuted, some say Hamas targeted Israeli soldiers, and all were soldiers who were kidnapped. Definitely killing babies and elderly is against Islam and terrorism. I condemn it all.

I double checked, they kidnapped whole family which had young children/babies, they released most of them except a few were killed. Yes I cannot understand why this was done, it had no benefit.

The question should be what can the Palestinians do, the whole world only gives them lip service, their is no justice in the world. The PLO was national liberation movement, after decades of fighting they gave up and now rule WestBank, Israel is still killing Palestinians in WestBank, Israel has WestBank surrounded by 700,000 settlements, security checkpoint all over, so none resistance doesn't work and using resistance also doesn't work from what we witnessed in Gaza.

The new line of thinking being promoted in the Muslim world by petrodollar Shaykhs and leadership is if Palestinians cannot do anything then they must leave Gaza and WestBank, give it all to Israel, save their lives, all then can jump in bed with Israel and call them daddy, everything will be fine then, a happy ending.

 

[Khansaheeb]

It’s still a colossal failure because the people are barely struggling to survive while the rulers are filthy rich and corrupt people who are destroying their countries. It’s time for Muslims to stop lagging behind and modernize. Need to heavily invest in technology, education, sciences, etc. There has to be a hard focus on quality of life and education especially those who live in rural areas.

Muslims will continue to be subjugated till then.

It's not going to happen until democracy flowers and corrupts are eliminated

 

[Khansaheeb]

The Israeli army claims to have eliminated all Rafah resistance fighters trapped in the tunnels.

40 resistance fighters were either martyred or captured, including the commander of the Eastern Rafah Battalion.

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Hamas knew it could not defeat Israel yet forced Palestinians into a war they didn't support and which resulted in 200,000+ Palestinians being killed, thousands of orphans and permanently injured/disabled Palestinians, every single person in Gaza being subject to generational trauma which they will never ever recover from, and losing more than 50% of the Gaza Strip to Israel, which they will never get back

they didn't free Jerusalem or get a Palestinian state, instead Germany has already resumed arms exports to Israel and not even one Muslim country imposed sanctions against Israel, let alone Europe or the West

we cannot ask the Hamas leaders to defend this war because they are also all dead and don't have to answer for their actions

of course, Israel is a Nazi society with Talmudic rules being used to justify genocide, and this is precisely why killing hundreds of their 'civilians' and taking babies and elderly people hostage is a horrible idea.

The moment the US gave blank checks and unlimited 1 ton bombs to the Jews the war on Gaza was declared. The Jews would have done it one way or another, that's the only solution and intent they have. They slaughtered imprisoned people, massacred , tortured , raped and starved because they can, because the cowards who should have acted do the same , the munafiqs who do Sajda do the work of the devil. Spit on the faces of those who shake hands with the Zions.

 

[Khansaheeb]

why did they abduct babies and elderly people and take them back to Gaza?

what did they achieve?

parts of the attacks were executed well (e.g., the attacks on IDF bases near Gaza), but other parts were pure terrorism, and they had no clear objective, leading to total devastation of Gaza and physiological damage among 2 million Palestinians in Gaza that will not be healed even in 100 years.

was it worth it? the answer is obviously no. you should not attack just because you can, but to achieve a clear objective and if the benefits will outweigh the costs. unfortunately the Hamas leadership were naive and doomed their people to eternal suffering, even with the best of intentions.

Why are you spewing Israeli propaganda and lies, are you a closet Jew?

 

[Unknowntruth]

The Israeli army claims to have eliminated all Rafah resistance fighters trapped in the tunnels.

40 resistance fighters were either martyred or captured, including the commander of the Eastern Rafah Battalion.

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Hamas knew it could not defeat Israel yet forced Palestinians into a war they didn't support and which resulted in 200,000+ Palestinians being killed, thousands of orphans and permanently injured/disabled Palestinians, every single person in Gaza being subject to generational trauma which they will never ever recover from, and losing more than 50% of the Gaza Strip to Israel, which they will never get back

they didn't free Jerusalem or get a Palestinian state, instead Germany has already resumed arms exports to Israel and not even one Muslim country imposed sanctions against Israel, let alone Europe or the West

we cannot ask the Hamas leaders to defend this war because they are also all dead and don't have to answer for their actions

of course, Israel is a Nazi society with Talmudic rules being used to justify genocide, and this is precisely why killing hundreds of their 'civilians' and taking babies and elderly people hostage is a horrible idea.

That’s the problem, it gave Israel an excuse to carry out mass genocide. I defend any peoples right to resist but there are obvious limitations.

Gaza is besieged with nothing coming in or out without Israel’s approval. It is a very small enclave with nowhere to run and hide out to reorganize and carry out sleeper cell attacks. It held all its cards on the tunnel system but Israel resorted to carpet bombing everything so it doesn’t have to send troops to clear tunnels and suffer casualties.

Egypt long before this genocide helped lay siege to Gaza so they fought with mostly homemade weapons which is not enough to fight one of the most advanced militaries in the world with constant replenishment by the West.

 

[Unknowntruth]

The moment the US gave blank checks and unlimited 1 ton bombs to the Jews the war on Gaza was declared. The Jews would have done it one way or another, that's the only solution and intent they have. They slaughtered imprisoned people, massacred , tortured , raped and starved because they can, because the cowards who should have acted do the same , the munafiqs who do Sajda do the work of the devil. Spit on the faces of those who shake hands with the Zions.

I agree, Israel no doubt would still be killing Palestinians and stealing land. The only thing is that it would not have been this level of carnage and deaths. They should have stayed for defensive purposes instead of attacking first. This is what Israel wanted. They fell into a trap and no one came to their aid.

 

[Khansaheeb]

The Israeli army claims to have eliminated all Rafah resistance fighters trapped in the tunnels.

40 resistance fighters were either martyred or captured, including the commander of the Eastern Rafah Battalion.

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Hamas knew it could not defeat Israel yet forced Palestinians into a war they didn't support and which resulted in 200,000+ Palestinians being killed, thousands of orphans and permanently injured/disabled Palestinians, every single person in Gaza being subject to generational trauma which they will never ever recover from, and losing more than 50% of the Gaza Strip to Israel, which they will never get back

they didn't free Jerusalem or get a Palestinian state, instead Germany has already resumed arms exports to Israel and not even one Muslim country imposed sanctions against Israel, let alone Europe or the West

we cannot ask the Hamas leaders to defend this war because they are also all dead and don't have to answer for their actions

of course, Israel is a Nazi society with Talmudic rules being used to justify genocide, and this is precisely why killing hundreds of their 'civilians' and taking babies and elderly people hostage is a horrible idea.

For every fighter who is killed 10 will replace him.

 

[Unknowntruth]

For every fighter who is killed 10 will replace him.

Maybe so but kind of hard to resist when your brother next door is working with the occupation to besiege you.

Gaza is a very small enclave, I hope I’m wrong but it is going to turn out worse than what is happening in West Bank.

 

[hussain0216]

why did they abduct babies and elderly people and take them back to Gaza?

what did they achieve?

parts of the attacks were executed well (e.g., the attacks on IDF bases near Gaza), but other parts were pure terrorism, and they had no clear objective, leading to total devastation of Gaza and physiological damage among 2 million Palestinians in Gaza that will not be healed even in 100 years.

was it worth it? the answer is obviously no. you should not attack just because you can, but to achieve a clear objective and if the benefits will outweigh the costs. unfortunately the Hamas leadership were naive and doomed their people to eternal suffering, even with the best of intentions.

I would agree with you

Except that I fundamentally believe the long term consequences will end in the expulsion of Jews from the middle east

And this Gaza conflict has set things in motion that COULD lead to those consequences


We all love to knock the Arab states, and that's right, they have been gutless
But one of the reasons the Arabs hate hamas is because the Arabs are trying to play smart
They realise in this time, the U.S/west/Jews hold the power, so trying to knock heads with this horrid enemy will lead to death and destruction and will harm their plans especially economic


They see and rightly so the long term victory over the Jews in the expansion of the Palestinian population

And the growth of the population in the surrounding areas

They believe if the Arabs can rise economically, demographically, politically and end their bickering

Then EVENTUALLY the Arab world,. combined with a much younger Palestinian population can just fcuk over the Jews


But at this time your best bet is not give the Jews the justification for genocide and massacre, which is exactly what hamas did


Now regardless of what hamas, did the Arab states could have made a stand, they chose the absolute most cowardly way of standing on the sidelines and letting the Palestinians suffer and the Israeli condemn themselves

Even the Abraham accords, which are shameful
For the Arabs is a way of binding Israeli hands through agreements


The above is why the Arab states are angry at hamas



As it is, the Palestinians have suffered
They have always suffered

But the Israelis have also condemned themselves

The Jews have condemned themselves


Whether it's in the west, in Europe, in U.S, especially amongst the younger population and educated population

Israel has absolutely CONDEMNED itself, and that has consequences

Both the left and right wing have been targeting Israel and the Zionists and Jews have left the fallout and they are worried and upset



Whatever has happened, has happened

Resistance against occupation is the right of all occupied people


It's upto all of us to now keep and build that pressure against the Jews



It is arguable, that Israel would never have allowed a free Palestine

And now with all the death and destruction and build up of anti Israel and Jew anger, that multiple factions are saying that a two state solution is the Only way and are pushing for action


Notable countries have recognised Palestine

Trump won't be in power forever


If we can control the left and make anti-zionism the default

Then even in the U.S democracts will find it difficult to give Israel the support they did in the past


It's why Israel is so desperate to make use of Trump, because they see the writing on the wall



I will say again, I think eventually the Jews will.oay a heavy heavy price for what they have done