Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[Falcon29]

The cause has become even larger than ever we can debate the pro and cons of Hamas invasion but Israel is now on the defensive and not with the world’s governments (honestly who cares if they are on our side) but the people of the world are going after Israel through protests through literal blockades through boycotts and shunning them where ever they go let them have nukes we have the world screaming free Palestine

That's the point. We can't allow this genocide to continue. And can't get let this opportunity go lost.

This is our last chance to have a state. We have to take it. We have to gain independence and declare West Bank and Gaza as our state. And agree to disarm entirely if world recognizes our statehood and enforces it by forcing an Israeli withdrawal.

We have to put pressure on Israeli's now. Israeli's are mostly worried we race towards statehood. This is why they stopped in Gaza to say to Hamas look you can sort of stay in power a little but remain in Gaza and don't push for statehood.

Hamas must not fall for these games or think there's a military solution to conflict moving forward. It has to shock the world and announce it's ready for Palestinian statehood,ready to disarm and dissolve itself under condition Palestinain statehood becomes reality.

We have to get all mediators to make efforts like they are now. Carry the momentum to attain statehood. We aren't going to get a better chance than now. And getting rid of Israel is not realistic. Nor even necessary. Unless they insist on their genocidal and dark path and break this peace deal.

 

[Shags101]

Gaza is under dire circumstances and there is nothing we can do but pray and watch the events unfold.

We can all provide our opinion without having to fight each other.

We have people here who are..
Pro Iranian camp
Pro Turkish camp
Pro Saudi camp
Etc

Who cares? We need to be united because no matter where you fall, you are all the target. Time to brush all the stuff to the side and focus on how we can grow together.

Honestly pro whatever country pro whatever religion as long as we agree that we all deserve respect for all of our people no matter where we come from from Spain to Malta as long as we are untied against the evils of this world that speak as if they are the hero’s I’m not always the most religious person but damn if I don’t believe the anit Christ is among us today how one great and one small power can lead the sheep to do their will

 

[Shags101]

That's the point. We can't allow this genocide to continue. And can't get let this opportunity go lost.

This is our last chance to have a state. We have to take it. We have to gain independence and declare West Bank and Gaza as our state. And agree to disarm entirely if world recognizes our statehood and enforces it by forcing an Israeli withdrawal.

We have to put pressure on Israeli's now. Israeli's are mostly worried we race towards statehood. This is why they stopped in Gaza to say to Hamas look you can sort of stay in power a little but remain in Gaza and don't push for statehood.

Hamas must not fall for these games or think there's a military solution to conflict moving forward. It has to shock the world and announce it's ready for Palestinian statehood,ready to disarm and dissolve itself under condition Palestinain statehood becomes reality.

We have to get all mediators to make efforts like they are now. Carry the momentum to attain statehood. We aren't going to get a better chance than now. And getting rid of Israel is not realistic. Nor even necessary. Unless they insist on their genocidal and dark path and break this peace deal.

Hamas actions were never the solution it shocked the world it brought back Palestine in the limelight but yeah Hamas and PA both need to dissolve and be gone PA are a bunch of cowards who enjoy getting their steady paychecks living in nice villas and etc but if they wanted to shock the Israelis and Americans even more so than Hamas they would say F it it’s not worth it you can have the keys back we’re not even going to pretend run anything

 

[Falcon29]

That's the point. We can't allow this genocide to continue. And can't get let this opportunity go lost.

This is our last chance to have a state. We have to take it. We have to gain independence and declare West Bank and Gaza as our state. And agree to disarm entirely if world recognizes our statehood and enforces it by forcing an Israeli withdrawal.

We have to put pressure on Israeli's now. Israeli's are mostly worried we race towards statehood. This is why they stopped in Gaza to say to Hamas look you can sort of stay in power a little but remain in Gaza and don't push for statehood.

Hamas must not fall for these games or think there's a military solution to conflict moving forward. It has to shock the world and announce it's ready for Palestinian statehood,ready to disarm and dissolve itself under condition Palestinain statehood becomes reality.

We have to get all mediators to make efforts like they are now. Carry the momentum to attain statehood. We aren't going to get a better chance than now. And getting rid of Israel is not realistic. Nor even necessary. Unless they insist on their genocidal and dark path and break this peace deal.

I am okay with recognizing Israel if Israel withdraws from the West Bank and Gaza, ends it's occupation, and Palestinians gain statehood. We will posses defensive weapons in our state but agree to disarm offensive weapons.

And also nothing like Abraham Accords one world religion blasphemy is pushed. We have our religion which is Islam.

We need to get on with reality. We can't have false promises and deranged rhetoric anymore about liberation of Palestine. We saw what Axis of Resistance was capable of in this war. And we saw the attitude of the Arab street.

Let's get our state and focus on developing this region. War is too risky and price is too high. Now you have Israel in vulnerable political position, if it says no to Palestinian state it will be highly unpopular. Palestinians have to make announcement openly to entire world that we're ready for statehood and will recognize Israel in event we gain statehood in West Bank and Gaza.

 

[Falcon29]

Hamas actions were never the solution it shocked the world it brought back Palestine in the limelight but yeah Hamas and PA both need to dissolve and be gone PA are a bunch of cowards who enjoy getting their steady paychecks living in nice villas and etc but if they wanted to shock the Israelis and Americans even more so than Hamas they would say F it it’s not worth it you can have the keys back we’re not even going to pretend run anything

I'm fully supportive of Toofan Al-Aqsa. It was designed to bring statehood and tell the world enough is enough, it's time for Palestinian independence to be granted.

Sinwar wanted us to get a state. Hamas and PA just have to evolve and integrate into new face of Palestinian governance.

I agree with you about the PA now making it's move. Hamas and PA have to work together and push for statehood.

Now this doesn't mean if we get statehood everyone should forget what Hamas sacrificed and forget Islam and not show gratitude to God. Stability and prosperity should not equal people leaving Islam and becoming against it. Islam is more important to than anything else and should be preserved amongst our people. Last thing I want is us turning into UAE or something immoral and Godless.

 

[Falcon29]

Netanyahu and Israel are panicking about Palestinian statehood. Arabs should invite PA/Hamas for consultations on next moves (for statehood ). We have to carry momentum. And we owe our leaders credit on this if they can bring peace to Gaza and West Bank -- they can bring a Palestinain state into reality....

And hopefully Israeli Jews get onboard and coexist with us

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[Master Chief]

That's the point. We can't allow this genocide to continue. And can't get let this opportunity go lost.

This is our last chance to have a state. We have to take it. We have to gain independence and declare West Bank and Gaza as our state. And agree to disarm entirely if world recognizes our statehood and enforces it by forcing an Israeli withdrawal.

We have to put pressure on Israeli's now. Israeli's are mostly worried we race towards statehood. This is why they stopped in Gaza to say to Hamas look you can sort of stay in power a little but remain in Gaza and don't push for statehood.

Hamas must not fall for these games or think there's a military solution to conflict moving forward. It has to shock the world and announce it's ready for Palestinian statehood,ready to disarm and dissolve itself under condition Palestinain statehood becomes reality.

We have to get all mediators to make efforts like they are now. Carry the momentum to attain statehood. We aren't going to get a better chance than now. And getting rid of Israel is not realistic. Nor even necessary. Unless they insist on their genocidal and dark path and break this peace deal.

Highlighted the crucial bit.

Hamas has an opportunity to be exceptionally clever here, as per your suggestion.

One wonders if they might make such bold statements that would turn the screw on Israel.

 

[Unknowntruth]

That's the point. We can't allow this genocide to continue. And can't get let this opportunity go lost.

This is our last chance to have a state. We have to take it. We have to gain independence and declare West Bank and Gaza as our state. And agree to disarm entirely if world recognizes our statehood and enforces it by forcing an Israeli withdrawal.

We have to put pressure on Israeli's now. Israeli's are mostly worried we race towards statehood. This is why they stopped in Gaza to say to Hamas look you can sort of stay in power a little but remain in Gaza and don't push for statehood.

Hamas must not fall for these games or think there's a military solution to conflict moving forward. It has to shock the world and announce it's ready for Palestinian statehood,ready to disarm and dissolve itself under condition Palestinain statehood becomes reality.

We have to get all mediators to make efforts like they are now. Carry the momentum to attain statehood. We aren't going to get a better chance than now. And getting rid of Israel is not realistic. Nor even necessary. Unless they insist on their genocidal and dark path and break this peace deal.

Don’t get too carried away.

This ceasefire does not mean it will even end the war. I do not think the U.S. wants a Palestinian state much less a genocidal fanatic people like the Israelis.

Right now, it is only an exchange of prisoners and a ceasefire that may end the genocide with the stated aims of disarmament of resistance groups. Israel will also still own a large buffer zone in Gaza even if they agree to a full withdrawal.

There is no two states being negotiated with the end of genocide. Remember, they wanted people of Gaza to leave “voluntarily”and build “prime resorts” in their place not long ago.

You can be optimistic but also be realistic. I don’t see much pressure being put on Israel for a 2 state when they couldn’t even stop a genocide or forced starvation.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Don’t get too carried away.

This ceasefire does not mean it will even end the war. I do not think the U.S. wants a Palestinian state much less a genocidal fanatic people like the Israelis.

Right now, it is only an exchange of prisoners and a ceasefire that may end the genocide with the stated aims of disarmament of resistance groups. Israel will also still own a large buffer zone in Gaza even if they agree to a full withdrawal.

There is no two states being negotiated with the end of genocide. Remember, they wanted people of Gaza to leave “voluntarily”and build “prime resorts” in their place not long ago.

You can be optimistic but also be realistic. I don’t see much pressure being put on Israel for a 2 state when they couldn’t even stop a genocide or forced starvation.

they are already waiting for the next war

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Fool me once... well who cares... no one is keeping the tab... keep getting fooled.
One more bandaid for what are known zionist goals.
A wanted war criminal with a forked tongue and woefully twisted... who's word changes with the direction of the winds makes a deal‽ He's wanted on corruption charges in his little zion!
There is fleeting support in the US now maintained under increasingly draconian methods previously only applied to the colonized. Who here thinks that it is about the prisoner swap?
Who can the oppressed bank on, who's got Gazans back? Who will commit to the cause of the occupied?

However, here is what the alternative looks like... zion succumbs to the treaty, the world tightens its screws on the rogue terror entity. The US elects its first non zionist president and the world decidedly courts Palestinians... helps them rebuild, become a proper state, a dignified population living with full rights and defending itself with a proper military. An equal in the comity of nations!
All good right? So why the dark clouds ... the demonic doom club seeking apocalypse?
Balance that!

 

[Shags101]

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I'm fully supportive of Toofan Al-Aqsa. It was designed to bring statehood and tell the world enough is enough, it's time for Palestinian independence to be granted.

Sinwar wanted us to get a state. Hamas and PA just have to evolve and integrate into new face of Palestinian governance.

I agree with you about the PA now making it's move. Hamas and PA have to work together and push for statehood.

Now this doesn't mean if we get statehood everyone should forget what Hamas sacrificed and forget Islam and not show gratitude to God. Stability and prosperity should not equal people leaving Islam and becoming against it. Islam is more important to than anything else and should be preserved amongst our people. Last thing I want is us turning into UAE or something immoral and Godless.

i agreed with to an extent again we can debate about the Hamas offensive some things occurred that shouldn’t have one of which was taking women and children into Gaza sorry can’t agree on that maybe the soldiers but no women with their children

 

[Falcon29]

Highlighted the crucial bit.

Hamas has an opportunity to be exceptionally clever here, as per your suggestion.

One wonders if they might make such bold statements that would turn the screw on Israel.

Well said brother

It is what Sinwar wanted. It is what Arab and Muslim world want too. Arab and Muslim world don't have unlimited appetite for war , struggle, and funding the cause. We have to be grateful to Arab and Muslim brothers.

They're helping us push towards statehood and helping get security guarantees for statehood if it happens. They want the best for us and this is the best they can do.

Sinwar also did Toofan Al-Aqsa to show Palestinain public that this is best we can do military wise and there's no more we can do, so it's either liberation as a result of Toofan Al-Aqsa or get on with reality and take your state while you can .....

So many people were martyred. So many sacrifices. Entire bloodlines and so many children. We will commerate our people and hereos forever, pushing towards statehood won't deny us the right to love our people.

And also ironically Hamas would more likely survive as a result of statehood rather than whatever follows now as a result of Trump deal. Israel is hoping it can bait Hamas by saying we let you breathe a tiny bit and if you focus strictly on your survival now instead of statehood , we will let you go that path so you lose another decade and world moves on from your plight ...

Now is the time inshallah I hope they're wise enough

 

[Falcon29]

Don’t get too carried away.

This ceasefire does not mean it will even end the war. I do not think the U.S. wants a Palestinian state much less a genocidal fanatic people like the Israelis.

Right now, it is only an exchange of prisoners and a ceasefire that may end the genocide with the stated aims of disarmament of resistance groups. Israel will also still own a large buffer zone in Gaza even if they agree to a full withdrawal.

There is no two states being negotiated with the end of genocide. Remember, they wanted people of Gaza to leave “voluntarily”and build “prime resorts” in their place not long ago.

You can be optimistic but also be realistic. I don’t see much pressure being put on Israel for a 2 state when they couldn’t even stop a genocide or forced starvation.

I can assure you Hamas movement is moving towards flipping the script and pushing for statehood in coordination with Arab brothers against wishes of Israel

We aren't engaging in a forever conflict which is mostly detrimental to our people and we aren't letting Israel get what it wants

Israel will fight hard to prevent statehood but same thing will happen as is happening now, global pressure will force it to accept reality

We know what to do if they try methods of violence/terror/intimidation during this process. We have right to resist during this push for statehood.

 

[Unknowntruth]

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i agreed with to an extent again we can debate about the Hamas offensive some things occurred that shouldn’t have one of which was taking women and children into Gaza sorry can’t agree on that maybe the soldiers but no women with their children

Children no

Female Israeli soldiers? That is a prisoner of war

These female soldiers were also heavily involved in this genocide and also should be held accountable.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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