Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[_Arabia_]

We can talk but only Hamas and Ansarallah have acted in a meaningful way against Jewish occupiers of Palestine.

Anyone else talking like they contributed in any meaningful way or as if they're ever going to do anything is denying reality and trying to score cookie points for doing nothing at all. Using the Palestinian struggle to boost their social status.

With all due respect, I would not mention Houthis alongside Hamas. Houthis have done nothing but fired some firecrackers on Israel that have killed 1 civilian Israeli. The so-called blockade has little effect on Israel but it has hurt Egypt and Sudan tremendously economically. As well as innocent (millions) of Yemeni Muslims who are relying on foreign trade (sea trade) with the outside world for food etc. due to the sieges of Houthis and their mismanagement of Yemen.

They are only using Palestine/Gaza for internal propaganda purposes (leadership here I am talking about) and to gain popularity among Muslims abroad.

Not comparable to what Hamas (who are on the correct aqidah, unlike the Houthis) has done of sacrifices long before October 7th.

That is my clear belief but people are free to disagree.

Of course them doing something, is good, but I would not hail them because they have nothing to lose and their behavior is not sincere but opportunistic. They were nowhere to be seen prior to 7th of October and while they are murdering Yemeni Muslims and oppressing them (their own), it is not a sincere position.

Hamas, if it had branches in say Yemen, I do not believe that they would be doing what the Houthis are doing of crimes to the Muslims of Yemen, simply because they have the correct Muslim aqidah and the Houthis do not.

 

[Falcon29]

With all due respect, I would not mention Houthis alongside Hamas. Houthis have done nothing but fired some firecrackers on Israel that have killed 1 civilian Israeli. The so-called blockade has little effect on Israel but it has hurt Egypt and Sudan tremendously economically. As well as innocent (millions) of Yemeni Muslims who are relying on foreign trade (sea trade) with the outside world for food etc. due to the sieges of Houthis and their mismanagement of Yemen.

They are only using Palestine/Gaza for internal propaganda purposes (leadership here I am talking about) and to gain popularity among Muslims abroad.

Not comparable to what Hamas (who are on the correct aqidah, unlike the Houthis) has done of sacrifices long before October 7th.

That is my clear belief but people are free to disagree.

I see where you are coming from but I do see them as more sincere. While it did hurt Egypt too, it hurt Israel as well, they basically created a economic crisis which even hurt US companies. It caused delays and shipping insurance rates went up, cost of things went up at the time, shipping rates/lead times went up to as different routes had to be taken.

They also tried persuading Hezbollah of Lebanon and Iraqi factions to take more decisive action.

I personally felt they are more sincere than other factions in the AoR. And they exhausted their capabilities without ever agreeing to any kind of ceasefire throughout the duration of the conflict whereas as you know Iraqi factions just fired a few drones and pledged to stop after one airstrike hit one of their command centers. And Hezbollah didn't want to be a part of the conflict but had to do something for credibility reasons , but eventually agreed to a ceasefire too.

I do agree there's a faction among Ansarallah that still want conflict with Saudi Arabia and align more with Iran's agenda but I believe most of them are moving away from that.

Their Gaza effort was sincere and even independent of Resistance Axis in my humble opinion. I hope they keep peace with Saudi Arabia and in Yemen too.

 

[_Arabia_]

I see where you are coming from but I do see them as more sincere. While it did hurt Egypt too, it hurt Israel as well, they basically created a economic crisis which even hurt US companies. It caused delays and shipping insurance rates went up, cost of things went up at the time, shipping rates/lead times went up to as different routes had to be taken.

They also tried persuading Hezbollah of Lebanon and Iraqi factions to take more decisive action.

I personally felt they are more sincere than other factions in the AoR. And they exhausted their capabilities without ever agreeing to any kind of ceasefire throughout the duration of the conflict whereas as you know Iraqi factions just fired a few drones and pledged to stop after one airstrike hit one of their command centers. And Hezbollah didn't want to be a part of the conflict but had to do something for credibility reasons , but eventually agreed to a ceasefire too.

I do agree there's a faction among Ansarallah that still want conflict with Saudi Arabia and align more with Iran's agenda but I believe most of them are moving away from that.

Their Gaza effort was sincere and even independent of Resistance Axis in my humble opinion. I hope they keep peace with Saudi Arabia and in Yemen too.

Yemenis are sincere in their belief (most) and like most Arabs, are sincere in their support for Palestine as well. When I say Houthis I am exclusively talking about the leadership which is corrupt and not on the right aqidah but a false one that is easily demonstrated by just looking at the Noble Qur'an. The average foot soldier, often illiterate and impoverished, he has no faults and circumstances are what they are.

Of course them doing something, is good, but I would not hail them because they have nothing to lose and their behavior is not sincere but opportunistic. They were nowhere to be seen prior to 7th of October and while they are murdering Yemeni Muslims and oppressing them (their own), it is not a sincere position.

Hamas, if it had branches in say Yemen, I do not believe that they would be doing what the Houthis are doing of crimes to the Muslims of Yemen, simply because they have the correct Muslim aqidah and the Houthis do not.

They would not be starting a civil war that out of greed that brought destruction upon Yemen and Yemeni people while also attacking/provoking KSA forcing KSA leadership to act in the support of the Yemeni government leading to more bloodshed. Neither position is good/perfect but the blame lies with the instigator and aggressor who could not solve his disagreements in a civil/peaceful manner with his Muslim brother (fellow Yemenis).

Muslims who fail them in the same light as Hamas (not comparable remotely) are in the wrong and do out due to being fooled by their easy propaganda.

And before anybody jumps in and starts talking about Muslim leaderships worldwide, Arab regimes included, I never hailed them or their behavior or position towards Palestine, they have done far too little and they will be judged by that as a result by Allah (swt) more harshly than us average Muslims who are not leading entire countries. But that does not mean that we should be hailing Houthis as some saints that they are not.

The only heroes are Gazans (civilians) and Hamas and those who fought alongside them and frankly speaking many average Gazans took up arms.

 

[Flotilla]

I see where you are coming from but I do see them as more sincere. While it did hurt Egypt too, it hurt Israel as well, they basically created a economic crisis which even hurt US companies. It caused delays and shipping insurance rates went up, cost of things went up at the time, shipping rates/lead times went up to as different routes had to be taken.

They also tried persuading Hezbollah of Lebanon and Iraqi factions to take more decisive action.

I personally felt they are more sincere than other factions in the AoR. And they exhausted their capabilities without ever agreeing to any kind of ceasefire throughout the duration of the conflict whereas as you know Iraqi factions just fired a few drones and pledged to stop after one airstrike hit one of their command centers. And Hezbollah didn't want to be a part of the conflict but had to do something for credibility reasons , but eventually agreed to a ceasefire too.

I do agree there's a faction among Ansarallah that still want conflict with Saudi Arabia and align more with Iran's agenda but I believe most of them are moving away from that.

Their Gaza effort was sincere and even independent of Resistance Axis in my humble opinion. I hope they keep peace with Saudi Arabia and in Yemen too.

Do you know Houthies alone with their continous attacks forced the bankrupt of Eilat port?. That was the second largest port of Israel.

It is something Saudí Arabia didn't in their outstanding 85 years of his History.

Israel’s Eilat Port to shut down operations on July 20 amid debt crisis

Port closure comes amid Houthi drone attacks in Red Sea - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Falcon29]

Yemenis are sincere in their belief (most) and like most Arabs, are sincere in their support for Palestine as well. When I say Houthis I am exclusively talking about the leadership which is corrupt and not on the right aqidah but a false one that is easily demonstrated by just looking at the Noble Qur'an. The average foot soldier, often illiterate and impoverished, he has no faults and circumstances are what they are.

Of course them doing something, is good, but I would not hail them because they have nothing to lose and their behavior is not sincere but opportunistic. They were nowhere to be seen prior to 7th of October and while they are murdering Yemeni Muslims and oppressing them (their own), it is not a sincere position.

Hamas, if it had branches in say Yemen, I do not believe that they would be doing what the Houthis are doing of crimes to the Muslims of Yemen, simply because they have the correct Muslim aqidah and the Houthis do not.

They would not be starting a civil war that out of greed that brought destruction upon Yemen and Yemeni people while also attacking/provoking KSA forcing KSA leadership to act in the support of the Yemeni government leading to more bloodshed. Neither position is good/perfect but the blame lies with the instigator and aggressor who could not solve his disagreements in a civil/peaceful manner with his Muslim brother (fellow Yemenis).

Muslims who fail them in the same light as Hamas (not comparable remotely) are in the wrong and do out due to being fooled by their easy propaganda.

And before anybody jumps in and starts talking about Muslim leaderships worldwide, Arab regimes included, I never hailed them or their behavior or position towards Palestine, they have done far too little and they will be judged by that as a result by Allah (swt) more harshly than us average Muslims who are not leading entire countries. But that does not mean that we should be hailing Houthis as some saints that they are not.

The only heroes are Gazans (civilians) and Hamas and those who fought alongside them and frankly speaking many average Gazans took up arms.

I believe Houthi's made a lot of mistakes. And was strongly opposed to their actions back when the civil war kicked off. Not a big fan of their top political leadership the Abdel Malik guy. I think though some of them are more loyal to Arab background and their immediate interests of course.

Its better if they morph into a support group or tool of pressure against Israel for all sides, imo. And move away from internal violence. It's clear they want to exist as rulers of northern Sanaa and see themselves as native to there. I think Saudis came to an understanding with them.

And in long term they be more aligned with Arabs than Iran. Some of these tribes/factions really look to Iran because they don't have an alternative. We can't force everyone out of political process it's same thing as freedom of speech. In Arab nations we really don't have freedom of speech or freedom to elect representatives which is preventing lots of Arab diaspora from moving or returning to arab nations to build a future there.

But yes overall Hamas, Gaza civilians, and other patriotic Palestinians in Gaza deserve most credit. Especially ordinary Gaza based Palestinains that went through what they went through to remain glued to their land. When I mention Hamas I don't mean to discredit other Palestinian movements and ordinary people , I mean as relative to other parties of the Axis of Resistance that we were disappointed with.

 

[Falcon29]

Do you know Houthies alone with their continous attacks forced the bankrupt of Eilat port?. That was the second largest port of Israel.

It is something Saudí Arabia didn't in their outstanding 85 years of his History.

Israel’s Eilat Port to shut down operations on July 20 amid debt crisis

Port closure comes amid Houthi drone attacks in Red Sea - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Saudi Arabian and Ansarallah both play separate and unique to them roles. Saudi Arabia historically had an oil embargo on the USA. And I spoke to many older aged Americans that described that time to me.

Saudi Arabia is leading statehood push at the moment. They believe persistence will bring about a result. Sooner or later US will have found that the abraham Accords was a failed effort and sooner or later they will need to reassess their alliance with Israel.

It's not going to get better for Israel. Israel has nothing to offer to the region that they can't get elsewhere or do themselves. It has ways to suffocate them through the US economic hegemony over the world.

 

[Falcon29]

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[Falcon29]

Hamas condemns the Security Council's decision to approve the American proposal for Gaza:

"The resolution imposes a mechanism of international trusteeship on the Gaza Strip, which our movement and its forces, as well as the factions, reject. Resistance to the occupation by all means is a legitimate right guaranteed under international laws and covenants. The weapon of resistance is tied to the existence of the occupation, and any discussion on this matter must remain internal and national, linked to a political path that ensures an end to the occupation, the establishment of the state, and self-determination."

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

#BREAKING | Algerian Delegate to the United Nations: The international resolution aims to implement President Trump's comprehensive plan, which was supported by all parties
- Peace in the Middle East cannot be achieved without achieving justice for the Palestinian people
- We made amendments to the American draft resolution to ensure integrity and balance
- Arab and Islamic countries supported the American draft resolution in its final version
- Today's resolution clearly rejects annexation, occupation, and forced displacement
- Gaza will be administered according to transitional arrangements by a Palestinian technocratic committee

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حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل فيكم

 

[_Arabia_]

Do you know Houthies alone with their continous attacks forced the bankrupt of Eilat port?. That was the second largest port of Israel.

It is something Saudí Arabia didn't in their outstanding 85 years of his History.

Israel’s Eilat Port to shut down operations on July 20 amid debt crisis

Port closure comes amid Houthi drone attacks in Red Sea - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

More nonsense. With all due respect, KSA went to war with Israel twice, in 1948 and 1973 with 100's of martyrs and with Saudi Arabian soldiers and volunteers killing 100's of Israeli soldiers.

KSA was also behind the oil embargo that destroyed Western economies (hardest direct attack on the West today in the modern period by any Muslims). Which led to a halt in the Israeli war machine.

Actual wars, not firing largely fire crackers, with all due respect, from afar, that killed less than 35 Israelis in 12 days, with only 1 of them being a soldier.

And that was only done because Israel attacked Iran directly 100 times harder, not due to Gazans being slaughtered so let us not create some alternative reality. I know that you are an Iranian regime shill but still. If Israel had never attacked Iran directly several times, Iran would not have fired a single missile at Israel just like they never sent a single bullet towards Israel from 1979-2024 (45 years).

That is besides the aid that KSA has sent to Gaza and the diplomatic push that KSA was a key part of (alongside France), and something acknowledged by both Hamas, Fatah and Prime Minister of Palestine (I posted the video in Arabic not long ago), which led to several powerful Western countries recognizing Palestine for the first time since 1948 in the UN.

Most importantly nobody here, not me, nor anyone else, says that KSA has done enough or is overly praising what was done. Not at all.

But Houthis, some are turning into some infallible beings, while they have done very little on the ground. 1 killed Israeli civilian and some disruption of sea trade to Israel/Eilat, which is good, but the problem is that their actions have hurt millions of more Muslims in Sudan, Egypt, Yemen etc. by those actions.

That is besides their fitna in Yemen, starting a civil war that broke Yemen apart, their transgression on the Muslims of Yemen etc and overall largely incompetent rule of Yemen and their false/wrong aqidah that they are trying to corrupt more and more and to change traditional Zaydism (which is close to Muslim belief) under influence of 46 year old Khomeinism/Wilayat-al-Faqih/Twelver deviations/non-Muslim beliefs that are easily disproven by using the Noble Quran alone. But you are not a Muslim anyway (your own words from what I recall, have no clue about Yemen or events in Yemen, cannot speak Arabic etc.) so I am wasting my time here.

Anyway the point is that the only heroes here are Gazans, Hamas and Gazan groups that took up arms and defended the honor of Gaza/Palestine/Al-Quds and Muslims. I object to anyone being put in the same bracket as those people. Simple as that.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

Under the title of the Championship of Hope.. Organizing a football championship in the city of Deir al-Balah in the middle of the Gaza Strip, for the benefit of children and youth who have lost their limbs, either during the recent aggression or in previous wars and the occupation's aggression on the Strip

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Hamas condemns the Security Council's decision to approve the American proposal for Gaza:

"The resolution imposes a mechanism of international trusteeship on the Gaza Strip, which our movement and its forces, as well as the factions, reject. Resistance to the occupation by all means is a legitimate right guaranteed under international laws and covenants. The weapon of resistance is tied to the existence of the occupation, and any discussion on this matter must remain internal and national, linked to a political path that ensures an end to the occupation, the establishment of the state, and self-determination."

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Hamas needs to wake up they were never going to keep heavy weapons if Gaza is ever going to rebuilt and inshallah if this happens and inshallah the Israelis who are now mouthing off about trump will trigger his bipolar ego and he starts supporting Palestine as a state this is about striking trumps ego and what rich Arabs will give him in return

 

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