Israel is itching to go to war with Turkiye and Egypt

Not at all. Turkey is a NATO member and can invoke article 5 if attacked first.

Not saying it can't happen, I just think it's very doubtful.

Agree to disagree
Israel would rather have regime change in Turkey than conflict.


Article 5 has only ever been invoked once by us after 9/11 AND even then every member decides for itself what action it considers necessary; it does not automatically require all NATO states to send troops or start a war.

Turkish advantage with NATO comes more from Article 4 to get support and defensive operational support if asked. Take the Iranian BM in March 26, apparently it was NATO interceptors that took it down(I could be wrong and those could be Turkish assets) but no one even thought of article 5.

With Israel - in that odd hypothetical scenario - article 5's own text means NATO members can actively support Israel EVEN IF ISRAEL IS THE AGGRESSOR but perhaps act openly in terms of providing political support for a ceasefire.

In that case the article 5 is no more worthy than someone getting a certificate in AI from the Liberty Valley Online University which sounds great on LinkedIn but far less useful in the actual workplace.
 
Israel would rather have regime change in Turkey than conflict.


Article 5 has only ever been invoked once by us after 9/11 AND even then every member decides for itself what action it considers necessary; it does not automatically require all NATO states to send troops or start a war.

Turkish advantage with NATO comes more from Article 4 to get support and defensive operational support if asked. Take the Iranian BM in March 26, apparently it was NATO interceptors that took it down(I could be wrong and those could be Turkish assets) but no one even thought of article 5.

With Israel - in that odd hypothetical scenario - article 5's own text means NATO members can actively support Israel EVEN IF ISRAEL IS THE AGGRESSOR but perhaps act openly in terms of providing political support for a ceasefire.

In that case the article 5 is no more worthy than someone getting a certificate in AI from the Liberty Valley Online University which sounds great on LinkedIn but far less useful in the actual workplace.

Isn't the whole thing academic? Greenland issue aside for a moment, USA is not going to allow anyone to attack heartland of NATO member.
 
Supa Powa 2020. Meanwhile its the "Bhikaris" next door who are mediating possibly the most consequential geopolitical negotiations of decades in the region. While they are just sitting their with the D**** in their hands, going saaar pleej don't block my Gas imports saaaar. lol

Its clear when push comes to shove, the Pakistanis punch above their weight and maneuver geopolitics with far more consequence, while this alledged "Giant" underwhelms in its "Supa Powa" status.

Not really a fan of Asim Munir or Military dictatorships but credit where credit is due, domestic matters and afghan matters may be a different thing, but on this particular matter of regional geopolitics and regional relations, he has maneuvered well.

Unless Pakistan is being paid anything more than IMF loans, there is nothing consequential here

At some point tomorrow (we are talking a decade or so) when the dust settles, Iran or Saudi Arabia will sign a strategic partnership with India and move on. you will see how consequential Pakistan was

my last word on this
 
Unless Pakistan is being paid anything more than IMF loans, there is nothing consequential here

lol, the fact that you don't see whats happening as consequential for the region says it all.

Iran or Saudi Arabia will sign a strategic partnership with India and move on.

Vow saaar, India will sign strategic partnership with both Fatherland and Saudi or Iran?
 
Not at all. Turkey is a NATO member and can invoke article 5 if attacked first.

Not saying it can't happen, I just think it's very doubtful.

Agree to disagree
Israeli leadership is openly saying that their next war will be with Turkiye, the Turkiye is the new Iran or the new target.
 
Israeli leadership is openly saying that their next war will be with Turkiye, the Turkiye is the new Iran or the new target.
If Israel directly attacks turkey then Israel deserves everything it will get in response.

I personally think they know better. Israel doesn't wish to commit national suicide.

I still think being in NATO definitely goes to turkey's advantage.
 
Unless Pakistan is being paid anything more than IMF loans, there is nothing consequential here

At some point tomorrow (we are talking a decade or so) when the dust settles, Iran or Saudi Arabia will sign a strategic partnership with India and move on. you will see how consequential Pakistan was

my last word on this

Strategic partnership with India 🤣🤣 Dude, India is good for trade, but strategic partnership?

Why would Iran and Saudi Arabia choose an unreliable Israeli lackey like India over Pakistan for a strategic partnership? Convince us.

Forget India, a strategic partnership is now a pipedream for your father Israel who was longing for the Abraham Accords.

All India can do now is hope for Chabahar to stabilise. Even the Iranians aren't mad to enter any form of partnership with India after the ridiculous backstabbing during the war.
 
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I beg to differ. Israel has a nuclear and biological arsenal.

So someone else in the region test fires a nuke. You think that Israel all of a sudden is going to say "oh no we need to move out?"

Anyway we just agree to disagree on this I guess.

Who said that Israel has nukes? They knever admitted it. There is also no proof, only rumours.

It could be a scarecrow tactic to freighten the neighbours.

If they really had nukes, they would already nuke Iran and nobody in the world would lift a finger for Iran.
 
The biggest misconception and fantasy is that Iran somehow went to war against Israel and USA or that Iran somehow defended Palestine or Muslims, as well. Neither is the case.

Iran never lifted a finger against Israel (or the US) since 1948 and only for the first time ever launched a few missiles and drones at Israel (killing less than 30 Israelis in now 2 conflicts) after being brutally assaulted and carpet bombed by the US and Israel and having their leadership annihilated, much of their military, 300 billion in material damages and loses, 10.000's of casualties etc. Are we supposed to hail a country of 90 million, many times larger than tiny Israel for striking back with the only offensive weapons that they have (missiles and drones) after being attacked repeatedly, in particular after spending 50 years of cheap rhetoric and talk of destroying and defeating the US and Israel. Meanwhile for 99.99% of the time they used more energy founding Shia proxies/terrorist groups/cults opportunistically in war-torn/unstable Arab countries, supporting secular Arab nationalist Ba'athi dictators like Al-Assad that mass-murdered his own people in the 10.000's (before his father too), in order to gain influence as otherwise you would have zero influence because nobody in the Arab world or outside of Iran cares about some Sassanian king or Zoroastrianism which is almost extinct.

All of this was solely done and is being done in order to give Iran influence in the region. Not in order to defeat Israel or the West. Otherwise they had 50 + years to attack Israel. During the genocide in Gaza they did nothing either not even launched a single missile or drone. So they are not any better or worse than other Muslim nations.

Problem is that we have blind worshippers of them, many on this forum, who want to turn them into some deities that Muslims need to worship but they do not know their nature or behavior in the region since 1979. Or even within Iran itself where they have turned millions of Iranians away from Islam and religion altogether due to their rule. Which is why you find some of the biggest anti-Muslims and degenerates among the Iranian diaspora in the West. That did not come out of nowhere.

You can imagine the state of much of the Muslim world if such theatrics cannot be properly read by the average Muslim for what it is.

Same with the lot that believes that Erdogan and Turkiye (with all due respect) is going to defeat Israel and the West and what not.

Not very clever that lot, are they?

And before some trolls start crying about Arabs - no current day Arab leadership talks about destroying/defeating Israel and the US and past Arab leaderships (some), in the modern era, were the only ones who actually went to full-scale wars against Israel and had direct (actual wars other than air campaigns) wars with US are mostly Arabs too with Afghans. Nobody else. Same Arabs that used to rule much of South Europe for 700-800 years and which historically went to war with the West 100's of times just in the Islamic era let alone pre-Islamic era. Arab armies already 1300 + years ago were at the gates of Tours and Paris (Frankish Empire was the strongest European power back then) and only due to logistics (over 10.000 away from the Muslim Arab heartland) did they not accomplish conquering all of Western Europe.

But bottom line - all Muslim leaderships are the same in this regard. Today at least.

Qatar, KSA (used to to it for decades until 1-1.5 decade or so after 9/11 - more than any other Muslim nation) used to fund every Muslim group, uprising etc. against non-Muslims from Bosnia to Chechnya to Afghanistan to Palestine, but nobody claimed that KSA leadership was fighting for all Muslims or going to defeat Israel/USA, LOL. We only see it with Iran from the usual lot. Shame that they cannot give this honor to Qatar (main supporter of Hamas and even hosting their leadership - a Hamas leader was murdered in Tehran no less) as well. I guess Qatar needs to be carpet bombed by the US and Israel for that to occur and maybe the same lot will scream that Qatari leadership are the new Muslim deities that we need to worship because they fired a few drones and missiles at Israel after being carpet bombed first.
Brah......whatever Iran did/ is doing......you boyz can't even pump dat cheese.

You know this right?
 
Don’t bother arguing with this Indic j33t. Every time he writes in that scum Indic tongue I want to send his whole family to a certain camp administer by Germans
Oh bhai paleej no? You are considered gypsy in da EU man. Paleej.....get a hold of yourself.
 

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