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US and British officials next to be indicted for complicity in genocide, Biden's, Rishi, Sunak, Starmer to be held accountable? Can the citizens of those country arrest therm if they get ICC warrants against them??:-

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BigMela2onin said:
No, whites only understand force. But this can be used to help justify use of force.
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If you're seeking justification for use of force against a genocider you're still losing the PR battle. As far as I'm concerned the attack by Hamas was justified in itself.
Meengla said:
'Fall for' what? Is the Resistance going to stop with or without the ICJ/ICC rulings?
Such rulings are one more way to discredit Israel. Little by little, the needle is moving. And what's wrong in 120 countries, who are bound by this ICC ruling to stop Netanyahu from traveling to those countries?? Why are the Israelis in an uproar if this ruling means nothing.

This conflict is being fought on the streets of America, in American Congress, on the battlefields of Palestine and Lebanon, on online forums, in diplomatic circles, and indeed at ICC/ICJ.
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Fall for legitimizing a system levied against them - it's a case of sheep cheering on the wolf. Just replace the text with: "We want Netanyahu locked up"

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Some international institution set up by western supporters of Israel occasionally throws a bone to the Muslim community and the Muslim community uses it as evidence for how well the institution works. Meanwhile the results on the ground are: genocide, ethnic cleansing, famine, etc.

The fact that its being fought on the streets of America is the problem. Are Muslim nations so helpless they can do nothing but plead with America? Recall King Faisal's embargo on oil to America and that shut down Israel war mongering. That embargo didn't happen in a vacuum:

"In December 1972, Saudi King Faisal ended a long-standing policy of not allowing “oil to be used as a political weapon,” as James Akin put it in a Foreign Affairs article in early 1973. In that month, two American officials, John Connally and Franklin Lincoln, visited Faisal separately and came back with the same message. “King Faisal said that there could be no further development of mutual Saudi-U.S. economic interests or any further expansion of oil production … without a political settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict,” Kissinger reported to Nixon, according to State Department archives.

According to the two visitors, Faisal also told them that he was under immense pressure to “cut off the oil supply.” "
Yet I see no one applying any pressure on Arab governments but everyone is begging America to resolve this. This argument that only America can stop the war seems to strip all Muslims of agency - this is more dangerous than Netanyahu.
 
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Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
So what are your thoughts on Obama's wars? Syria, Libya and Yemen... all perpetuated for and on behest of zion.
Obama only put Iran on a slow boil. Of course Miliekowsky and GCC wanted Iran dealt with swiftly... Cut off the head of the snake...
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I am not in love with the Democrats. A few months ago, had a falling out with my WASP neighbor who had been regularly coming to my house for the last 18 years for Desi food. He is a very sensible person but has blinders for Democrats--they can't do any wrong and that's what I told him: You blindly support Democrats. He took great offense to that and our conversation got heated. He justified the wars under Obama like Syria and Libya and said the 'deal' offered to Arafat in 2000 was enough 'to build upon'. We are no longer in communication, which is sad. I showed him the mirror and he didn't like the image.

No, I don't support the Democratic Party as such but I have been in America long enough to have seen the elections from Ross Perot 1992 to the Green Party 2024 and I have concluded that it is better to work within a Democratic Presidency because there is significant support in their cadre as well as in their Congressmen especially when you contrast with the Republicans. The choice is sadly binary and AIPAC knows that well and funds and threatens both parties. In case of the Republican Party, no need to really threaten: They quite willingly oblige slaughtering the Muslims. In case of the Democratic Party, voices like Jamaal Bowman and Cory Bush got silenced in the House by AIPAC but several pro Palestinian Representatives from the Democratic Party survived AIPAC assault in 2024. Going forward: Neutralize AIPAC'S influence with better electoral organization. There is no other way at least in the foreseeable future.
 
Meengla said:
I am not in love with the Democrats. A few months ago, had a falling out with my WASP neighbor who had been regularly coming to my house for the last 18 years for Desi food. He is a very sensible person but has blinders for Democrats--they can't do any wrong and that's what I told him: You blindly support Democrats. He took great offense to that and our conversation got heated. He justified the wars under Obama like Syria and Libya and said the 'deal' offered to Arafat in 2000 was enough 'to build upon'. We are no longer in communication, which is sad. I showed him the mirror and he didn't like the image.

No, I don't support the Democratic Party as such but I have been in America long enough to have seen the elections from Ross Perot 1992 to the Green Party 2024 and I have concluded that it is better to work within a Democratic Presidency because there is significant support in their cadre as well as in their Congressmen especially when you contrast with the Republicans. The choice is sadly binary and AIPAC knows that well and funds and threatens both parties. In case of the Republican Party, no need to really threaten: They quite willingly oblige slaughtering the Muslims. In case of the Democratic Party, voices like Jamaal Bowman and Cory Bush got silenced in the House by AIPAC but several pro Palestinian Representatives from the Democratic Party survived AIPAC assault in 2024. Going forward: Neutralize AIPAC'S influence with better electoral organization. There is no other way at least in the foreseeable future.
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I have the same issue with the Mexicans, Philipinos, Veitnamese, Nationalist Chinese etc in CA, they seem to be fox news brainwashed sheep , they have a blinkered position in politics and aren't open minded and nothing you say will trigger any humanity in them or sway their support from genocide enablers.
 
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Meengla said:
I have said it many times: Project to topple Assad starting 2011 was basically an Israeli project, backed by Europe, America, GCC Arabs, and Turkey. At least Pakistan, as a matter of principles, didn't take part in that project and continued to have low-key recognition of the Assad govt; that was remarkable because, after China, those countries are Pakistan's largest trade/ideological partners. I don't think any harm would come to Pakistan if Pakistan had joined but that's not what Pakistan is historically. In the Iran-Iraq war of the 80s, again Pakistan stayed neutral and tried hard to stop the war. I remember there was a lot of discussion in the Pakistani press and even in my college in Karachi about how to stop the 'two brother Islamic countries from fighting'.
Israel is a destabilizing force in the greater Middle East of which Pakistan is a part.
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During Iraq war all western media were propagating that Syria will be next target after Iraq, even during early Iraqi war the media and politicians were claiming Saddam has moved chemical and nukes to Syria, the propaganda died down due to usa being stuck in Iraq aswell as Afghanistan. The 2nd time operation Syria was talked about during 2006 Israel Hizbollah war when Israeli generals claimed Hizbollah gets all supplies from Syria and they claimed next time it will not happen, I was wondering Usa will attack Syria but it never happened until 2011 when internal rebellion started, it shocked me I never thought it's possible. So instead of direct war they used agents to cause civil war, all with big long beards and screaming Allahu Akbar.

Today Hizbollah doesn't have the same level of support from Syria and Gaza is the same, Israel has overtaken the borders and surrounded Hamas, slowly they will become PLO in West Bank, complete reliance on Israel.
 
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Hamas statement:

Our Mujahideen were able to engage a Zionist infantry force of 15 soldiers and eliminate them from zero distance in the Beit Lahia Square area, north of the Gaza Strip.
 
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