Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[LeGenD]

Israel is despised, not for nothing the Jews are so upset at rising levels of anti-Semitism

Israel has natural problems, as a state it exists because of the U.S and without it, it ceases

Israel and Israeli products and supporter's should be boycotted and challenged everywhere

For as a much support Trump gives Israel, the BDS movement should work on the opposition

Bro, you are paying too much attention to some protests in the streets but those who are in government think differently because they get a reality check in government departments about economic and everything else. This is what I am telling you, the joke is on the politicians who continue to fool the public.

 

[Mobius]

hear me out on this first its a long one

when in 1099 the Crusaders killed every muslim women and children in Jerusalem it was because Christians were strong and Muslims were weak

but no Empire remains a Superpower forever their lives are finite not infinite

Allah Swt Bless Saladin was merciful and spared the Christian women and children but at the Battle of Hittin he killed over 600,000 Crusades, the historians say when you looked at the living Crusaders you couldn't ever image any one of them would ever die and when you look at them after Saladin was done you couldn't imagine anyone of them was alive

a total wipe out clean cut victory

In 1099 many Armenians joined the massacre of the muslims in Jerusalem and around 1000 years later the Ottoman killed 2 million of them known as the Armenien Genocide

When Vlad the impaler killed 20,000 Muslims the Ottomans impaled 200,000 Christians in Transylvania, historians say there was more impaled Christians than trees and Transylvania is known for its vast forests , this was because Sultan Mehmed II ordered it

today the Western nations kill because they are strong tomorrow they will suffer when they are weak and islam is strong

history will repeat itself and a Islamic Superpower will kill 10x the number of Israelis

only 1,2000 Israelis were killed and in return they destroyed a nation and killed 120,000 Palestinian is this a proportionate response ?

they do this so the price for killing Jews is high, not because Hamas hide in civilian areas but because they dont want this kind of thing to happen again and they want everyone to know the price for killing Jews , they want everyone to stare in horror and scare everyone

1 Jews = 100 Palestinians that's the price tag they have decided so no one dares to attack Israel again

but they always forget that with power comes responsibility and with that responsibility comes consequences

do you think anyone in the islamic world will ever forget what they have done in Gaza ? will a any muslims forget what they did in Gaza

its may take 50 years it could take 500 years but these Westerners have essentially signed the deaths warrants of their future progeny and coming generation

they have made enemies for their own grandchildren

when the islamic Empire rises from the ashes not only will Israelis cry but the land will speak on their behalf

This is the way the world works and Inshallah victory is only for the Muslims

Good post. And I agree, these people which have constantly caused mischief wherever they go will be hunt down and slaughtered when the time comes. It's been prophesied so it will come to pass without question. When Mehdi & Jesus returns, they'll all have a rude awakening.

 

[_Arabia_]

And the first country that needs to be attacked (if the goal is a Palestinian state) is the US.

 

[hussain0216]

Empty words. "Isolate Israel" as if Israel gives a flying **** about Arabs or Muslims as long as they have the complete and utter backing of the world's richest and most powerful nations (West) who they control and who they receive FREE money from.

The US alone is several times stronger militarily, economically and politically than the ENTIRE Muslim world combined. It is laughable.

I have said this 1000 billion times. The solution must be found in the US. They are the ones bankrolling and keeping Israel alive. Arabs or Muslims of the region cannot do anything militarily, politically or economically that will force Israel to accept a two-state solution. Something that they are not going to do anyway.

I don't think that you are familiar with the Zionist mindset and the mindset of most Jews after WW2. They will rather destroy the entire world (Samson option) than accept a two-state solution.

Let me explain

Israel kills Palestinians with U.S money and U.S bombs


The Arabs then give the U.S trillions for gimped worthless weapon's
Same goes for the Europeans


So why would the U.S and Europeans stop support for Israel or force it to give Palestinians Freedom, when they are facing no consequences for their support for apartheid Israel?



All Arabs had to do, was turn to the U.S and Europe and say you have a choice
either it's 22 Arab states and the wider Muslim world OR a tiny Jew Israel

If they chose a tiny Jew Israel, then fine, but they then cannot trade with the Arab world, who would then be at least free to make their own path amongst themselves and deal with Russia, China and others without being cucolds to the U.S



Arabs did the absolute worst, the west gave money and weapons to Israel and the Arabs then gave money to the west
How stupid is that?

 

[unconventional]

I am genuinely curious what you and other non-Arabs expect this "Arab world" (as in 20 + nation states each with 20 + distinct regimes and agendas) to do in order to FORCE upon Israel and de facto the entire US/West/NATO the creation of a Palestinian state?

How will you connect isolated Gaza with the remaining West Bank that each year is losing land to illegal settlements and itself has been a "Bantustan" for years upon years?

On the ground there is no concept of a unified West Bank.

View attachment 110113

How are you going to militarily defeat a nuclear-armed Israel in the first place? Not only nuclear-armed but by design (courtesy of the US and West) have been equipped with the best conventional weapons in the region?

Economically not possible either as long as the US and West are bankrolling Israel.

Politically we have seen for the past 77 years that nothing seems to work either.

If the last almost 1.5 years have not shown everyone that Israel is immune politically, militarily and in terms of media coverage, I do not know.

Who has imposed any sanctions upon Israel? Has China or Russia done anything of notice?

Pakistan is the only Muslim nation that can defeat Israel by virtue of nukes. Nowhere to be seen.

Arabs (regimes here) used to totally boycott Israel for decades upon decades until Egypt became the first country to have official diplomatic relations with Israel. Nothing changed during that time.

The oil embargo (largest economic attack on the West collectively in modern history) led by KSA did not change anything/status quo either.

So if anyone has any realistic solutions that would force upon Israel a two-state solution, please tell us, because as of now I don't see any such solutions.

It's very simple.

Israel is completely dependent on the US for military equipment, as well as international/diplomatic cover.

We know Trump and his team (Witkoff) are swayed by financial interests.

They are on the payrolls of the Adelsons, other Zionist powerhouses.

But we know that the GCC countries (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE) have more financial resources than the Zionist powerhouses.

What needs to be done to force a 2-state solution:

a) Close US airbases in the Arab world, similar to how Pakistan closed US airbases in Pakistan.

b) End all investments to the US.

Saudi Arabia has pledged to invest $500 billion in the US.

We know Trump is desperate for a Saudi Arabia-Israel deal; and we know Witkoff is very close to the Qataris.

We know that if there is no financial relationship between the US and the Arab world, unless a Palestinian state is created; Israel will be forced by the US to accept a 2-state solution.

c) Make peace with the Houthis; and do not defend Israel from the axis of resistance attacks.


What needs to be done for a 1-state solution:

a) Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan with the axis of resistance all come together and do a land invasion into Israel.

They do not worry about the costs of war, and go all in to defeat the Zionist state.

 

[hussain0216]

hear me out on this first its a long one

when in 1099 the Crusaders killed every muslim women and children in Jerusalem it was because Christians were strong and Muslims were weak

but no Empire remains a Superpower forever their lives are finite not infinite

Allah Swt Bless Saladin was merciful and spared the Christian women and children but at the Battle of Hittin he killed over 600,000 Crusades, the historians say when you looked at the living Crusaders you couldn't ever image any one of them would ever die and when you look at them after Saladin was done you couldn't imagine anyone of them was alive

a total wipe out clean cut victory

In 1099 many Armenians joined the massacre of the muslims in Jerusalem and around 1000 years later the Ottoman killed 2 million of them known as the Armenien Genocide

When Vlad the impaler killed 20,000 Muslims the Ottomans impaled 200,000 Christians in Transylvania, historians say there was more impaled Christians than trees and Transylvania is known for its vast forests , this was because Sultan Mehmed II ordered it

today the Western nations kill because they are strong tomorrow they will suffer when they are weak and islam is strong

history will repeat itself and a Islamic Superpower will kill 10x the number of Israelis

only 1,2000 Israelis were killed and in return they destroyed a nation and killed 120,000 Palestinian is this a proportionate response ?

they do this so the price for killing Jews is high, not because Hamas hide in civilian areas but because they dont want this kind of thing to happen again and they want everyone to know the price for killing Jews , they want everyone to stare in horror and scare everyone

1 Jews = 100 Palestinians that's the price tag they have decided so no one dares to attack Israel again

but they always forget that with power comes responsibility and with that responsibility comes consequences

do you think anyone in the islamic world will ever forget what they have done in Gaza ? will a any muslims forget what they did in Gaza

its may take 50 years it could take 500 years but these Westerners have essentially signed the deaths warrants of their future progeny and coming generation

they have made enemies for their own grandchildren

when the islamic Empire rises from the ashes not only will Israelis cry but the land will speak on their behalf

This is the way the world works and Inshallah victory is only for the Muslims

BINGO


this is what I've been trying to explain for a year and half

Muslim world is young, our average age is the lowest of all religions

We have time and numbers, their is no reason to be despondent

Just bide your time and build your hatred and anger of the Jew and U.S and then when the time comes we can repay the Jews for their crimes

 

[unconventional]

Many are war-weary understandably because modern-age wars are increasingly difficult and costly to fight. No stable country wants to experience death and destruction, particularly on the level in Gaza. Even those who live in Gaza want peace, there protests show it. Hamas has outdated policy that will not work. Egypt is pushing for a new deal between Israel and Gaza. I am not sure what type of solution will work but there should be a strong push for peaceful co-existence between all groups in the region.

To be honest, I think if Pakistan was a neighbor of Israel; they would have gone into war with Israel already.

Maybe not the Pakistan of Asim Munir, but maybe of Zia, Musharraf or Raheel Sharif (although Zia was a fool, the others not as much).

Pakistanis have gone to war with India on multiple occasions over Kashmir. And there is high sentimental support for Palestinians. I think Pakistanis are the people who would give their lives up for this cause.

But no one in the Arab world is really ready to pay these costs.

In my personal opinion, I believe in the 2-state solution (along the lines of the 1967 borders). A secure Israel co-existing with a secure, sovereign Palestinian state.

 

[unconventional]

Israel is not a hated and despised entity but one of the largest economies.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/isr

Israel has high tech industries that have global value.

The US was not a joke and will not be a joke. The joke is on politicians in smaller or less powerful countries who talk big for public consumption but have talks with the US to be soft on them behind-the-scenes. Many countries in the WEST are simply advanced with high tech industries and large markets that all want to tap. The US provides valuable technology and business to most of the countries in the world. Trump has some tough positions but American and European interests generally overlap and will continue. Many countries do not make decisions on the basis of religious narratives but on the basis of cost-benefit analysis.

Actually, Israel's military and high-tech industry is entirely dependent on the US. They stole the nuclear program from the US.

They have dirt on US politicians and have kicked them into submission (refer to Epstein, Maxwell).

Israel cannot survive as a country without US support for long, unless it replaces the US support with China or Russia. That is not going to happen.

 

[_Arabia_]

Let me explain

Israel kills Palestinians with U.S money and U.S bombs


The Arabs then give the U.S trillions for gimped worthless weapon's
Same goes for the Europeans


So why would the U.S and Europeans stop support for Israel or force it to give Palestinians Freedom, when they are facing no consequences for their support for apartheid Israel?



All Arabs had to do, was turn to the U.S and Europe and say you have a choice
either it's 22 Arab states and the wider Muslim world OR a tiny Jew Israel

If they chose a tiny Jew Israel, then fine, but they then cannot trade with the Arab world, who would then be at least free to make their own path amongst themselves and deal with Russia, China and others without being cucolds to the U.S



Arabs did the absolute worst, the west gave money and weapons to Israel and the Arabs then gave money to the west
How stupid is that?

That is all fine but your solution is what exactly? You are criticizing the Arabs for having close ties with the US and West when Pakistan itself has been equally aligned with the same US and West since 1947. And the entire Muslim world for that matter.

And how do you propose that Arabs, who share a 10.000 km long border/maritime border with Europe/West will be able to ignore the West? The same West that has been dominating the entire world in the past 500 years and have basically shaped/created the modern world? Including the entire economic system that we all depend on, China and Russia included?

You think that Arabs alone will be able to create an alternative global system when the same Arabs have been the ones most under attack by the same West of ANY Muslims out there?

How many times must you be told that Arabs and Muslims (on a global scale) do not matter? In particular economically, politically and militarily. As I wrote the US alone is several times stronger than the combined Muslim world which itself is a joke overall.

 

[_Arabia_]

To be honest, I think if Pakistan was a neighbor of Israel; they would have gone into war with Israel already.

Maybe not the Pakistan of Asim Munir, but maybe of Zia, Musharraf or Raheel Sharif (although Zia was a fool, the others not as much).

Pakistanis have gone to war with India on multiple occasions over Kashmir. And there is high sentimental support for Palestinians. I think Pakistanis are the people who would give their lives up for this cause.

But no one in the Arab world is really ready to pay these costs.

In my personal opinion, I believe in the 2-state solution (along the lines of the 1967 borders). A secure Israel co-existing with a secure, sovereign Palestinian state.

No, you would not. India, which is SEVERAL times weaker than Israel/USA/West (a joke and a insult to compare them even), has never been attacked by Pakistan in an all-out war. Nor has Kashmir been regained.

But somehow you think that Pakistan would have defeated Israel (USA and West in other words because Israel is nothing more than an extension of those two and has been that since it emerged in the region, and the entire "project" was created in the West as well).

Look, China, Russia, non-Arabs, the other 1.2 billion non-Muslim Arab Muslims are free to attack Israel/USA/West. I would applaud and support it. But don't expect any rag tag militia group to do anything on the ground.

Either declare an all-out war against the US/West or stop this charade that does not benefit anybody and only makes Muslims and Arabs look like a joke.

If Arabs attacked Israel/USA in an all-out war, I would tell you what would happen, 1) utter militarily and economic destruction, the Arab world divided into 100 Bantustans, 1 million Gazas occurring and zero help from any non-Arab Muslims. Whatever would be left would be "eaten" by regional entities for their own benefits. As we have seen with the likes of Iran and Turkey anyway. So-called Muslim "brothers".

As I see it the Muslim world is a joke and it is hard for me to take anything occurring seriously any longer.

 

[LeGenD]

Actually, Israel's military and high-tech industry is entirely dependent on the US. They stole the nuclear program from the US.

They have dirt on US politicians and have kicked them into submission (refer to Epstein, Maxwell).

Israel cannot survive as a country without US support for long, unless it replaces the US support with China or Russia. That is not going to happen.

Mate, let me put it in this way. What industries Hamas have that the US wants to tap to its benefit and what strategic value Hamas offers to the US? Israel has all the leverage when it comes to the US because many jews are very smart and understand how to create their value (focus on education and business). But Hamas? This is the difference that all need to understand. Those who want to grow think on these lines and create their policy on these lines. This is the ground reality.

 

[hussain0216]

That is all fine but your solution is what exactly? You are criticizing the Arabs for having close ties with the US and West when Pakistan itself has been equally aligned with the same US and West since 1947. And the entire Muslim world for that matter.

And how do you propose that Arabs, who share a 10.000 km long border/maritime border with Europe/West will be able to ignore the West? The same West that has been dominating the entire world in the past 500 years and have basically shaped/created the modern world? Including the entire economic system that we all depend on, China and Russia included?

You think that Arabs alone will be able to create an alternative global system when the same Arabs have been the ones most under attack by the same West of ANY Muslims out there?

How many times must you be told that Arabs and Muslims (on a global scale) do not matter? In particular economically, politically and militarily. As I wrote the US alone is several times stronger than the combined Muslim world which itself is a joke overall.

Yes, Pakistan has a relationship with the U.S

But to safeguard Pakistani interests we also have a decades long relationship with China, and this relationship is strong and strategic and we balanced weapons purchases between multiple states, so when the west sanctioned us or became unreliable we just switched easily to China


Pakistan also has its own weapons programs, we have a array of ballistic missiles, our own cruise missiles, anti ship missiles, tanks we make ourselves, our own drone programs and oh year 200 and growing nuclear warheads


When Afghanistan was occupied by the U.S and NATO, as soon as Pakistani strategic interests became threatened, Pakistan single handed organized and controlled the resistance through the Taliban, kept their leaders safe, provided Intel and training and a resistance plan and ground down U.S and NATO forces who eventually left the region



Their is no reason Arabs bought so much gimped U.S weapons and not invest in massive industries and programs In the Arab world and work with China and Russia more . Arabs could have had a array of weapons by now with multiple Arab and Muslim states as possible buyers

No reason you invested so much money in the U.S and west rather then the Arab and Muslim world

No reason why you allowed the U.S so many bases to safeguard Israel


No reason why even without a two state solution, you signed up to peace deals and Abraham accords when Israel stole so much land

I repeat the arabs did this to themselves


You can still change

 

[unconventional]

No, you would not. India, which is SEVERAL times weak than Israel/USA/West (a joke and a insult to compare them even), has never been attacked by Pakistan in an all-out war. Nor has Kashmir been regained.

But somehow you think that Pakistan would have defeated Israel (USA and West in other words because Israel is nothing more than an extension of those two and has been that since it emerged in the region, and the entire "project" was created in the West as well).

I don't think you know much about India-Pakistan history.

Pakistan and India have had 4 wars: 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1999.

Pakistan gained 1/3rd of Kashmir in 1948. 1965 and 1999 were a stalemate.

1971 was a loss for us, but that had more to do with the internal civil war with East Pakistan than with anything India did.

Also, when Israel-India tried to destroy Pakistan's nuclear program, Pakistan threatened to attack Israel directly; and Israel backed off by the threat.

Pakistan has threatened nuking India many times if they were to ever threaten the sovereignty/integrity of the nation. Pakistan has apparently also shared nuclear secrets ("nuclear proliferation" per Western media) with Iran, North Korea and Libya.

 

[_Arabia_]

The Muslim world is a joke. This is the harsh reality. Muslims as a whole are a joke as well.

 

[_Arabia_]

I don't think you know much about India-Pakistan history.

Pakistan and India have had 4 wars: 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1999.

Pakistan gained 1/3rd of Kashmir in 1948. 1965 and 1999 were a stalemate.

1971 was a loss for us, but that had more to do with the internal civil war with East Pakistan than with anything India did.

Also, when Israel-India tried to destroy Pakistan's nuclear program, Pakistan threatened to attack Israel directly; and Israel backed off by the threat.

Pakistan has threatened nuking India many times if they were to ever threaten the sovereignty/integrity of the nation. Pakistan has apparently also shared nuclear secrets ("nuclear proliferation" per Western media) with Iran, North Korea and Libya.

Your post did not address anything that I wrote or changed the facts on the ground which are the following.

Comparing India with the US/West/Israel is an utter joke and insult in the first place. Pakistan and India have not fought any all-out wars either. The most bloody (1971) was before the era of nuclear weapons and was mostly a civil war that India took advantage of due to geography. Nothing to do even remotely with the Israel situation. Point about Kashmir remains as well.

What stops you from liberating Kashmir? Or Israel for that matter?

More utter nonsense and delusion as usual.

If Muslims are so powerful what are they waiting for exactly?