Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[unconventional]

Mate, let me put it in this way. What industries Hamas have that the US wants to tap to its benefit and what strategic value Hamas offers to the US? This is the point. Israel has all the leverage when it comes to the US because many jews are very smart and understand how to create their value (focus on education and business). But Hamas? This is the difference that all need to understand. This is how many countries think and create their policy deep down.

I think most academics; and even President Nixon said Israel provides no strategic value to the US, and is not really an ally to the US.

They have dirt on US politicians, and they have entrenched themselves deeply in UK/Europe/US; since the Rothschild family started forming relations with Christian Zionists in the UK.

Yes, the Zionists are deeply entrenched; they are powerful individuals, they provide "value" as you say (paraphrasing). Yes, Hamas or Palestinians do not provide any "value". But these Zionists are also dual citizens; they do not have roots in the land like the Palestinians do, and they will escape to other Western countries if Israel has a real security problem. Hence, Zionists themselves are powerful; but Israel (without assistance of the West) is not.

Israel as a country does not offer the US much strategically, and I would always maintain that.

Israel is a settler colonial state, essentially a colony of the US/US MIC/colonizers.

 

[hussain0216]

The Muslim world is a joke. This is the harsh reality. Muslims as a whole are a joke as well.

Power comes and goes

Weak societies when they are weak get wiped out, where are the Aztec's for example

Muslims are weak right now but our numbers are more numerous then ever at over 2 billion
Our population is younger then anyone else
Muslims retain the vast majority of lands they conquered through history
And Muslims have major populations across the world

Power will return to the Muslim world and when it does our enemies will be ripped a new ass hole, because we will REMEMBER the crimes and we will repay them

 

[LeGenD]

I think most academics; and even President Nixon said Israel provides no strategic value to the US, and is not really an ally to the US.

They have dirt on US politicians, and they have entrenched themselves deeply in UK/Europe/US; since the Rothschild family started forming relations with Christian Zionists in the UK.

Yes, the Zionists are deeply entrenched; they are powerful individuals, they provide "value" as you say (paraphrasing). Yes, Hamas or Palestinians do not provide any "value". But these Zionists are also dual citizens; they do not have roots in the land like the Palestinians do, and they will escape to other Western countries if Israel has a real security problem. Hence, Zionists themselves are powerful; but Israel (without assistance of the West) is not.

Israel as a country does not offer the US much strategically, and I would always maintain that.

Israel is a settler colonial state, essentially a colony of the US/US MIC/colonizers.

As noted before, Hamas or Palestinians do not provide any "value" to the US because they don't have industries that the US wants to tap and neither they offer anything strategically to the US. Israel might not be in the list of best American allies but Israel certainly provides much higher "value" to the US due to its industries and political willingness to host the US military and respect American interests in the region.

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Many countries do not define their policy on theological lines but on cost-benefit analysis. This is the lesson some have learned the hard way. Business talks, theology walks. Between Hamas and Israel, the US will choose Israel due to economic and strategic reasons. By extension, the US will choose to support Israel in a regional conflict situation instead of allowing it to disappear because the US benefits from its existence.

 

[unconventional]

Your post did not address anything that I wrote or changed the facts on the ground which are the following.

Comparing India with the US/West/Israel is an utter joke and insult in the first place. Pakistan and India have not fought any all-out wars either. The most bloody (1971) was before the era of nuclear weapons and was mostly a civil war that India took advantage of due to geography. Nothing to do even remotely with the Israel situation. Point about Kashmir remains as well.

What stops you from liberating Kashmir? Or Israel for that matter?

More utter nonsense and delusion as usual.

If Muslims are so powerful what are they waiting for exactly?

India is a nuclear armed country with an active force of 1.2 million (and a million reserve forces), nuclear weapons. Pakistan has half of those active and reserve forces; and nuclear weapons. Pakistan's current condition is that it can maintain a stalemate with India.

In the Middle East, the US is out of the equation if you do not provide them air bases, access to water/sea. You let them have all the access, because you would rather use them to defeat the Houthis than defeat Israel.

The US cannot send its troops directly into the Middle East, there is no land border there.

Everyone knows the best way to defeat Israel is a land invasion, they have a highly advanced missile defense system, and attack weapons. There is no land border between Pakistan and Israel, and they are very far apart in distance for Pakistan to do anything meaningful unfortunately.

India is a much bigger threat than Israel.

 

[_Arabia_]

India is a nuclear armed country with an active force of 1.2 million (and a million reserve forces), nuclear weapons. Pakistan has half of those active and reserve forces; and nuclear weapons. Pakistan's current condition is that it can maintain a stalemate with India.

In the Middle East, the US is out of the equation if you do not provide them air bases, access to water/sea. You let them have all the access, because you would rather use them to defeat the Houthis than defeat Israel.

The US cannot send its troops directly into the Middle East, there is no land border there.

Everyone knows the best way to defeat Israel is a land invasion, they have a highly advanced missile defense system, and attack weapons. There is no land border between Pakistan and Israel, and they are very far apart in distance for Pakistan to do anything meaningful unfortunately.

India is a much bigger threat than Israel.

More nonsense.

Are you blind? Where have you been for the past 78 years and the past 18 months? When will you realize that Israel is a nuclear armed state as well and they have FAR better weapons (conventional) than anything that India has. The only advantage India has is size and population. But let us forget that, the most important thing here is that Israel equals USA/West/NATO. There is no comparison with India here.

India is a joke in comparison with all due respect.

 

[unconventional]

As noted before, Hamas or Palestinians do not provide any "value" to the US because they don't have industries that the US wants to tap and neither they offer anything strategically to the US. Israel might not be in the list of best American allies but Israel certainly provides much higher "value" to the US due to its industries, cultural exchanges, and willingness to host the US military.

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Many countries do not define their policy on theological lines but on cost-benefit analysis. This is the lesson some have learned the hard way.

Business talks, theology walks.

Question: how did industries in Israel develop?

The cultural ties between the US and Israel are definitely straining, there used to be a strong bond between the American people and Israel, and sympathy for Israel.

It is still there between Christian Zionists and Israel; but it is certainly fractured. There is a huge generational difference in opinion of Israel, with a majority of younger Americans against Israel's war on Gaza.

The cultural ties are now between the Zionist apparatus and US politicians, not with many of the American people.

Willingness to host the US-military? The Arab world has done a lot more of that than Israel.

If the US (not the bought US politicians) did a true cost-benefit analysis of their relationship with Israel, they would see, as Nixon put it, that Israel does not offer the US much strategically.

 

[_Arabia_]

Power comes and goes

Weak societies when they are weak get wiped out, where are the Aztec's for example

Muslims are weak right now but our numbers are more numerous then ever at over 2 billion
Our population is younger then anyone else
Muslims retain the vast majority of lands they conquered through history
And Muslims have major populations across the world

Power will return to the Muslim world and when it does our enemies will be ripped a new ass hole, because we will REMEMBER the crimes and we will repay them

I don't see anything changing for the better anytime soon. The whole world is turning towards degeneracy and atheism. Religions, Islam included, is having less and less of a say. More and more Muslims are only Muslims in name.

If the opposite was the case the current status quo would not have occurred in the first place and most importantly would not have been tolerated.

We are wasting our time here repeating the same things and condemning like the useless leaderships. Not any different.

Look at the current state of Pakistan with all due respect. Are you content? Goes for most of the Muslim world. An utter joke.

 

[Sultan Baybars]

As noted before, Hamas or Palestinians do not provide any "value" to the US because they don't have industries that the US wants to tap and neither they offer anything strategically to the US. Israel might not be in the list of best American allies but Israel certainly provides much higher "value" to the US due to its industries and political willingness to host the US military and respect American interests in the region.

Defense Technical Information Center

apps.dtic.mil

Many countries do not define their policy on theological lines but on cost-benefit analysis. This is the lesson some have learned the hard way. Business talks, theology walks. Between Hamas and Israel, the US will choose Israel due to economic and strategic reasons. By extension, the US will choose to support Israel in a regional conflict situation instead of allowing it to disappear.

Israel respects US interests in the region?

How exactly? By spying in the US and selling information to China (Jonathan Pollard)? Or despite US warnings selling sophisticated US weaponry to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war?

Or by bombing and sinking a US warship during the Six Day War and giving Egypt the blame, trying to force a US-Egyptian war?

Should i go on with the list of is this enough?

 

[unconventional]

More nonsense.

Are you blind? Where have you been for the past 78 years and the past 18 months? When will you realize that Israel is a nuclear armed state as well and they have FAR better weapons (conventional) than anything that India has. The only advantage India has is size and population. But let us forget that, the most important thing here is that Israel equals USA/West/NATO. There is no comparison with India here.

India is a joke in comparison with all due respect.

Israel does not have an advantage of land-size or population size/manpower. It can easily be defeated in a land invasion; and as I mentioned, the US would not be a factor if you didn't provide them air bases or access from the sea.

In an all out conflict with the Arab world, Israel would run out of ammunition; and the US would not be able to resupply them at an acceptable rate. Israel would not have enough soldiers to repel a land invasion of millions of Arabs.

 

[unconventional]

Israel respects US interests in the region?

How exactly? By spying in the US and selling information to China (Jonathan Pollard)? Or despite US warnings selling sophisticated US weaponry to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war?

Or by bombing and sinking a US warship during the Six Day War and giving Egypt the blame, trying to force a US-Egyptian war?

Should i go on with the list of is this enough?

Well said.

 

[hussain0216]

I don't see anything changing for the better anytime soon. The whole world is turning towards degeneracy and atheism. Religions, Islam included, is having less and less of a say. More and more Muslims are only Muslims in name.

If the opposite was the case the current status quo would not have occurred in the first place and most importantly would not have been tolerated.

We are wasting our time here repeating the same things and condemning like the useless leaderships. Not any different.

Everything has been foretold, the degeneracy is leading to demographic crises and collapse, those atheistic degenerates can't maintain relationships, sleep around and are the reason marriage as a institute is collapsing

Our job as Muslims is to maintain our faith and values in the face of this degenerate onslaught

If Muslims can maintain our faith and values and family whilst everyone else loses theirs, then Muslims will emerge as a power again

Our biggest enemies are the internal secular, liberal cucks

 

[LeGenD]

Question: how did industries in Israel develop?

The cultural ties between the US and Israel are definitely straining, there used to be a strong bond between the American people and Israel, and sympathy for Israel.

It is still there between Christian Zionists and Israel; but it is certainly fractured. There is a huge generational difference in opinion of Israel, with a majority of younger Americans against Israel's war on Gaza.

The cultural ties are now between the Zionist apparatus and US politicians, not with many of the American people.

Willingness to host the US-military? The Arab world has done a lot more of that than Israel.

If the US (not the bought US politicians) did a true cost-benefit analysis of their relationship with Israel, they would see, as Nixon put it, that Israel does not offer the US much strategically.

Hormonal teens protesting in the streets do not define state policy but they learn from life-experiences and their opinion can shift when they work in relevant organizations. Because the fundamental concern of a citizen is to earn to make ends meet and support the family instead of wasting life on politics. There were so many protests in the US when Biden administration was in power because the LEFT was allowing them. However, the society on the larger level rejected Biden administration and brought other politicians to power who will definitely reshape American education politics. The work on these lines has already begun.

At Columbia University, Trump’s crackdown chills a fervent campus

A year after mass protests rocked the university, students say protesting on campus has become too “dangerous.”

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/27/trump-palestinian-hamas-purge-colleges-protests

The US certainly have other allies in the region and it does not wants to loose any or allow its allies to fight each other because economics matters in the end. There is a reason why Trump calls CNN Fake News.

 

[_Arabia_]

Israel does not have an advantage of land-size or population size/manpower. It can easily be defeated in a land invasion; and as I mentioned, the US would not be a factor if you didn't provide them air bases or access from the sea.

In an all out conflict with the Arab world, Israel would run out of ammunition; and the US would not be able to resupply them at an acceptable rate. Israel would not have enough soldiers to repel a land invasion of millions of Arabs.

More nonsense. Have you taken a look at a world map before? The US has bases in NATO member state Turkey next door to Israel. 100's of bases in next door Europe. UK has their largest foreign base next door in Cyprus (far closer than most of the Arab states). The US/West is not dependant on a few military bases in the Arab world to protect/fight on behalf of Israel at all. Not the case previously either when there were no US bases in the Arab world.

I think you are living in some alternative universe where India is stronger than Israel/USA/West.

The Arabs (Muslims as a whole) are sheep before slaughter. As long as we do not have nuclear weapons and the same delivery systems as the US/West. If we had there would be parity and Israel would not dare to do what they are doing and have been doing for decades. It is simple, the world is a jungle where the strongest dominate. Always been the case. Either through military or economic means. Rest is nonsense. Today Muslims as a whole are a utter joke compared to landmass, population and past history. Denying this obvious fact is a joke as well.

 

[unconventional]

More nonsense. Have you taken a look at a world map before? The US has bases in NATO-member state Turkey next door to Israel. 100's of bases in next door Europe. UK has their largest foreign base next door in Cyprus (far closer than most of the Arab states). The US/West is not dependant on a few military bases in the Arab world to protect/fight on behalf of Israel at all. Not the case previously either when there were no US bases in the Arab world.

I think you are living in some alternative universe where India is stronger than Israel/USA/West.

When I say the Arab world needs to take responsibility, I say the same for Turkey. Turkey has played an extremely negative role in the conflict; and can easily close US access into Europe/Middle East as well.

But I am sure you will not do anything until Turkey does; and Turkey will not do anything until the Arab world does. And Palestinians go into oblivion.

 

[unconventional]

Hormonal teens protesting in the streets do not define state policy but they learn from life-experiences and their opinion can shift when they work in relevant organizations. Because the fundamental concern of a citizen is to earn to make ends meet instead of wasting life on politics. There were so many protests in the US when Biden administration was in power because the LEFT was allowing them. However, the society on a large level rejected Biden administration and chose other politicians who will definitely reshape American education politics. The work on these lines has already begun. The US certainly have other allies in the region and it does not wants to loose any or allow its allies to fight each other because economics matters in the end. There is a reason why Trump calls CNN Fake News.

I agree with the hormonal teens protesting, and the general ineffectiveness of Palestinian protests.

But I noticed you did not answer my points about Israel. What you talked about Biden and his failure to win over Americans is all about domestic policy, nothing to do with the Middle East.

This is not a zero sum game. If Palestinians are not providing "value" to the US (country) does not mean Israel is providing value to the US (country).