Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[mulj]

Impressive and stunning event which highlights Hamas calculated rationale behind their military operations within limited resources that they have, only if they have more outside logistical support they would force occupier to the table within weeks.

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[hussain0216]

Honesty lies in recognizing that there are two sides to every conflict throughout human history, no matter how much one may feel one side is right and the other is wrong. Reality almost always lies in the middle. Please note that I am not taking any sides at all here.

You re denying the occupation and you are equating the occupier to the occupied

They are not the same

Jews were not welcome in the middle east, Arabs made that clear,but the Jews WILLINGLY created a ethnocentric apartheid state upon a land that was already inhabited


The Palestinians are merely resisting injustice and occupation, is that resistance sometimes violent and brutal, sure but that is the cost for freedom and independence


The Jews are inflicting violence, brutality and slaughter in a region they are hated, unwelcome and where they aim to subjugate the local population


These two are not the same and it is disingenuous on your part when you try to equate the two

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

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[UKBengali]

Any idiot, especially if they are Muslims, supported the foreign backing against Assad are just that: Idiots! To me, even its early days, it was evident that this would benefit Israel which wanted to remove one more rival, after removing Saddam. I remember way back, probably in 2012, I challenged a Turkish PDF guy who was all about why Turkey should help topple Assad because he was butchering his people. I said something like 'Toppling Assad would benefit only Israel and that it was not Turkey's place to meddle in the affairs of other countries and that Turkey too has done things to its Kurdish minority'. He didn't like my response and said something like 'We Turks support you Pakistanis against India despite potentially losing trade benefits with India'. I said 'I appreciate it but your real friends would give you the best advice for your own interests'.

Even now the amount of sectarianism on this thread when there is a genocide going on in Gaza shows the extent of the problems in the Muslim world.

On this very forum, some Turks a while back were saying that they would be ok to still have full relations with the entity even if every single Gazan was wiped out.

Of course I am not picking on Turks solely but those comments were probably the most outrageous we heard from Muslim members here since the Genocide started.

It seems strange that you can call yourself a Muslim but still bang on the nationalist and sectarian drum. Ok to be loyal to your country but playing the sectarian game ultimately benefits the enemies of Islam and down the line even your country is worse off.

 

[PakFactor]

Even now the amount of sectarianism on this thread when there is a genocide going on in Gaza shows the extent of the problems in the Muslim world.

On this very forum, some Turks a while back were saying that they would be ok to still have full relations with the entity even if every single Gazan was wiped out.

Of course I am not picking on Turks solely but those comments were probably the most outrageous we heard from Muslim members here since the Genocide started.

It seems strange that you can call yourself a Muslim but still bang on the nationalist and sectarian drum. Ok to be loyal to your country but playing the sectarian game ultimately benefits the enemies of Islam and down the line even your country is worse off.

Bolded part: more so down the road, their nation would be on the chopping block solely because of their faith.

You might remember that old saying they came for x, I didn't speak out, etc., until they came for me, and there was none to speak out for me. Slowly, all those 50 nations will be thrashed, be it militarily or economically.

 

[UKBengali]

Bolded part: more so down the road, their nation would be on the chopping block solely because of their faith.

You might remember that old saying they came for x, I didn't speak out, etc., until they came for me, and there was none to speak out for me. Slowly, all those 50 nations will be thrashed, be it militarily or economically.

I will repeat again.

Muslims should take the opportunity that will present itself from the 2030s with the emergence of China as a peer to the US/West and form their own "Muslim block".

Without this block, then Muslim countries will remain at the mercy of the west and the Chinese for their security and prosperity.

These silly ideas of nationalism won't help a single Muslim country be independent, secure and prosperous.

 

[PakFactor]

I will repeat again.

Muslims should take the opportunity that will present itself from the 2030s with the emergence of China as a peer to the US/West and form their own "Muslim block".

Without this block, then Muslim countries will remain at the mercy of the west and the Chinese for their security and prosperity.

These silly ideas of nationalism won't help a single Muslim country be independent, secure and prosperous.

I mentioned this is another threat with @AZADPAKISTAN2009 to support the rise of your regional power to counterbalance the West. But we see these Asian nations willing to work with the West to sabotage it. We have the most dumbest cuckold group in Asia.

 

[UKBengali]

I mentioned this is another threat with @AZADPAKISTAN2009 to support the rise of your regional power to counterbalance the West. But we see these Asian nations willing to work with the West to sabotage it. We have the most dumbest cuckold group in Asia.

90%+ of Muslim populations around the world would be totally in support of an economic and military block like EU/Nato combined.

It matters little whether a Muslim is secular or religious but they tend to want to be part of a greater Muslim nation.

Apart from a few diehard sectarian fanatics the common Muslim does not care much about what happened between Muslim nations in the past and wants to join together for mutual prosperity, security and sovereignty.

Only ones that could hold up this block are puppet/slave rulers.

 

[Mobius]

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[Foinikas]

All that will work is a 2 state solution where rational Jews live side by side with a Palestinian nation. As soon as this Netanyahu and his government is disbanded we may have a chance.

Yeah,but Hamas too should be pressed very hard by everyone who can influence them,to stop dreaming of taking back the entire territory and having all Jews kicked out. The only way for them to have a Palestine from the river to the sea,is by having a special corridor connecting them and under supervision of the UN. But then again,Israelis would never accept that now. They prefer to have them seperated. Or gather them all in a place and just isolate them.

Still I think Netanyahu will try to grab on his seat as much as he can. Even starting new problems. I don't know.

 

[Developereo]

Impressive and stunning event which highlights Hamas calculated rationale behind their military operations within limited resources that they have, only if they have more outside logistical support they would force occupier to the table within weeks.

Hamas has managed, and the Palestinians have paid in blood, to do the impossible: they have blown the cover from the Zionist control of Western media and governments. Until now, such claims were dismissed as antisemitic conspiracy theories, even though Zionists include Christians, Hindus, atheists and all sorts of people.

Now the Zionists proudly and brazenly flaunt their control of Western governments and media.

Ordinary people in the West are not afraid to speak out loudly asking why their government supports Israel so much despite the UN and other agencies providing evidence of deliberate civilian carnage.

Yeah,but Hamas too should be pressed very hard by everyone who can influence them,to stop dreaming of taking back the entire territory and having all Jews kicked out. The only way for them to have a Palestine from the river to the sea,is by having a special corridor connecting them and under supervision of the UN. But then again,Israelis would never accept that now. They prefer to have them seperated. Or gather them all in a place and just isolate them.

Still I think Netanyahu will try to grab on his seat as much as he can. Even starting new problems. I don't know.

The two state solution is not viable. There is no solution since Israel will attack and occupy a sovereign Palestinian state just as they attack the occupied territories. The US will shield them no matter what they do.

The only thing the two state solution will do is to give political cover for the slave Muslim governments to fool their people and do what they desperately want to do: recognize Israel and become the 'good boy' in American eyes.

 

[hussain0216]

Hamas has managed, and the Palestinians have paid in blood, to do the impossible: they have blown the cover from the Zionist control of Western media and governments. Until now, such claims were dismissed as antisemitic conspiracy theories, even though Zionists include Christians, Hindus, atheists and all sorts of people.

Now the Zionists proudly and brazenly flaunt their control of Western governments and media.

Ordinary people in the West are not afraid to speak out loudly asking why their government supports Israel so much despite the UN and other agencies providing evidence of deliberate civilian carnage.



The two state solution is not viable. There is no solution since Israel will attack and occupy a sovereign Palestinian state just as they attack the occupied territories. The US will shield them no matter what they do.

The only thing the two state solution will do is to give political cover for the slave Muslim governments to fool their people and do what they desperately want to do: recognize Israel and become the 'good boy' in American eyes.

At the moment the two state solution, keeps this horrendous colonial state in place in the middle east

It has caused enough turmoil

 

[Foinikas]

The two state solution is not viable. There is no solution since Israel will attack and occupy a sovereign Palestinian state just as they attack the occupied territories. The US will shield them no matter what they do.

The only thing the two state solution will do is to give political cover for the slave Muslim governments to fool their people and do what they desperately want to do: recognize Israel and become the 'good boy' in American eyes.

You don't know that. Such a mentality will only continue this problem. It will only feed the idea of "either we take all of it or nothing" which will continue claiming hundreds of thousands of Palestinian lives. It started like this back in the 60s,it continued like this in the 70s,it went on in the 80s,it intensified in the 90s,it became worse in the 2000s.
This mentality,worsened the lives of Palestinians and gave more power to the Jews to grab more land and do what they want.

If Palestinians finally have their own legitimate country,it will make it even easier on other nations to support them. Because then they will be an officially recognized Palestinian State. A de juro and de facto sovereign State that can have its own alliances and get its legitimate support. At the very least,Palestinians will be able to live peacefully and prosper. Investments from the Muslim world will fall like rain. Charity will be coming from every Muslim country. Imagine the imams everywhere "Let's help our brothers rebuild their homes! Let's build the best hospital in Ramallah!" or "Palestinians finally have their own country,free of settlements! Now's the chance to help them rebuild it!" or "Let's build a shopping mall in Nablus!"

 

[UKBengali]

Yeah,but Hamas too should be pressed very hard by everyone who can influence them,to stop dreaming of taking back the entire territory and having all Jews kicked out. The only way for them to have a Palestine from the river to the sea,is by having a special corridor connecting them and under supervision of the UN. But then again,Israelis would never accept that now. They prefer to have them seperated. Or gather them all in a place and just isolate them.

Still I think Netanyahu will try to grab on his seat as much as he can. Even starting new problems. I don't know.

Come on.

This “Netanyahu and his extremist” cabal carrying on the war for x/y/z reasons is a red herring.

It is played to distract from the widespread extremist mindset of the Jewish settler population in Palestine.

Nearly 9/10 of them want an even greater genocide as they do not believe Gaza has been bombed enough!

Only difference between the “extremists” in power is that they say aloud what the “moderates” are thinking and also agree with.

 

[Foinikas]

Come on.

This “Netanyahu and his extremist” cabal carrying on the war for x/y/z reasons is a red herring.

It is played to distract from the widespread extremist mindset of the Jewish settler population in Palestine.

Nearly 9/10 of them want an even greater genocide as they do not believe Gaza has been bombed enough!

Only difference between the “extremists” in power is that they say aloud what the “moderates” are thinking and also agree with.

Still,would you prefer Netanyahu to stay in power or someone a bit more leftist?