IWT.

[Master Chief]

This was very unfair and unbalanced water treaty … it was injustice with people of India…

Who accepts 80:20 water sharing principle?

Where 80% goes to lower riparian…

Correct that it was unfair.

India had FULL control of 3 eastern rivers, while Pakistan had utility of 3 western rivers while India still retained upper riparian utility of the western rivers.

A just solution would be that India keeps her 3 eastern rivers and that Pakistan takes the entirety of occupied Kashmir to facilitate full control of the 3 western ones.

 

[Master Chief]

Yes its fair only you Pakistanis laughing on us Indians , u got an awesome deal by corrupt gandhi n nehru by signing 80% water to Pakistan…

Hopefully we never get folks like those in charge ever again, Modi should correct this treason done by gandhi nehru on India

Go and read up about the IWT. Then come back here. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Owaiz]

This is called "theft of natural resources". It has been explained repeatedly that "abeyance" is a non-existent term in the context of the IWT. The state of abeyance is a simple fabrication that actually represents breach of a treaty and theft of natural resources to cause harm upon civilians.

Stand by this treaty breach and theft, and own it fully for what it is, for there will be consequences.

And why have there been no consequences so far ? The junta seems busy lining its own pockets.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

@Master Chief I don't think India is going to cutoff your water rather plan something along the lines of holding and flushing water with silt making it hard for you to plan your crops especially without hydrological data.

Probably why you are launching more Remote sensing Sats from China.

 

[Master Chief]

@Master Chief I don't think India is going to cutoff your water rather plan something along the lines of holding and flushing water with silt making it hard for you to plan your crops especially without hydrological data.

Probably why you are launching more Remote sensing Sats from China.

I agree with your speculation on this. There are plenty of unsavoury actions Delhi can now institute against Pakistani civilians. India is most likely to use the cheapest available methods to affect Pakistani agriculture and harm civilian lives.

In functional terms, sabotage of a natural resource's distribution is akin to theft of it. Both actions contravene the original treaty AND UN resolutions on riparian rights (we discussed this back in May on another thread).

 

[imadul]

IWT abeyance was announced by India on 23rd April 2025.

Modi publicly said:

India’s rightful water “will now be utilised for the country”

Pakistan is “already sweating” after the treaty was put on hold

The treaty was “badly negotiated” and harmed India’s interests.

So old news IWT abeyance is not the news.
What the Army or Army Chief, FM, CDS is doing about it??

 

[nibba]

IWT abeyance was announced by India on 23rd April 2025.

Modi publicly said:

India’s rightful water “will now be utilised for the country”

Pakistan is “already sweating” after the treaty was put on hold

The treaty was “badly negotiated” and harmed India’s interests.

So old news IWT abeyance is not the news.
What the Army or Army Chief, FM, CDS is doing about it??

Well we fought a mini war after that. The abeyance was part of the escalation leading up to it.

An issue as existential as water right would have to be on the table for any such conflict

 

[imadul]

Well we fought a mini war after that. The abeyance was part of the escalation leading up to it.

An issue as existential as water right would have to be on the table for any such conflict

India fired barhmos salvos at major pak cities only after that Pak responded.
Pak did not respond IWT violations and India would ramp up new run of the river hydel projects, but they will make them for water storage also.
To This pak will respond, imo, after water will be greatly squeezed and army won't have any more excuse to sit back.

 

[nibba]

India fired barhmos salvos at major pak cities only after that Pak responded.
Pak did not respond IWT violations and India would ramp up new run of the river hydel projects, but they will make them for water storage also.
To This pak will respond, imo, after water will be greatly squeezed and army won't have any more excuse to sit back.

well the treaty was put in abeyance weeks before the conflict as part of the ramp up of tensions post pehelgam.

clearly the kinetic conflict was the climax of that ramp up. surely everything that lead up to the fight was on the table for the fight

the kinetic conflict is over and abeyance is still in effect

to me that is pakistan's acceptance

and tbh its just not that big of a deal. max you will lose 20-30% of chenab waters. pakistan should try diversify from agriculture anyways.

 

[imadul]

well the treaty was put in abeyance weeks before the conflict as part of the ramp up of tensions post pehelgam.

clearly the kinetic conflict was the climax of that ramp up. surely everything that lead up to the fight was on the table for the fight

the kinetic conflict is over and abeyance is still in effect

to me that is pakistan's acceptance

and tbh its just not that big of a deal. max you will lose 20-30% of chenab waters. pakistan should try diversify from agriculture anyways.

Water management is must for the whole world, Pakistan too.
20 - 30% reduction will be Catastrophic for Pak.
Constant is the only change in the world. I cannot predict when and how Pakistan shall respond to water weapon of India, but if water weapon is a real legitimate weapon, China will drip Barhamaputra to a trickle, the dam will be 3 x three gorges dam, $137 billion by mid 2030.
India won't have moral basis to confront China as it has been doing same. Pakistan will have no choice but fight to win.

 

[nibba]

Water management is must for the whole world, Pakistan too.
20 - 30% reduction will be Catastrophic for Pak.
Constant is the only change in the world. I cannot predict when and how Pakistan shall respond to water weapon of India, but if water weapon is a real legitimate weapon, China will drip Barhamaputra to a trickle, the dam will be 3 x three gorges dam, $137 billion by mid 2030.
India won't have moral basis to confront China as it has been doing same. Pakistan will have no choice but fight to win.

bramhaputra is not really pakistan's concern.

this issue will be dealt with by china india, and bangladesh.

not really worried about that dam to be honest, it can't "drip bramhaputra to a trickle"

even if it could, i dont think china takes marching orders from pakistan

the treaty was put in abeyance prior to the conflict. why not "fight to win" then? i think cessation of hostilities is acceptance of status quo.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I agree with your speculation on this. There are plenty of unsavoury actions Delhi can now institute against Pakistani civilians. India is most likely to use the cheapest available methods to affect Pakistani agriculture and harm civilian lives.

In functional terms, sabotage of a natural resource's distribution is akin to theft of it. Both actions contravene the original treaty AND UN resolutions on riparian rights (we discussed this back in May on another thread).

Well, we're enemies after all. You can't expect your enemies to honour treaties. The world has gone to such a state that there is no world police to punish a country for its action and I don't mean India alone. This includes Pk and others as well.

India probably violated the treaty by putting it in Abeyance and Indian government probably believe there is not going to be any international pressure especially since there is an erratic President in the US who probably don't care about a water sharing agreement. World Bank a party to the IWT, another US controlled entity but has no leverage as India is not depended on WB loans but sees India as a market to make more money. That leaves dealing with India directly. Maybe in the near future some negotiations can happen or there already is a negotiation. We can only speculate

 

[Fatman17]

Foreign Office spokesperson Tahir Hussain Andrabi said on Thursday that under the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT), India could not misuse its restricted allowance for unilaterally building any hydroelectric projects on the western rivers.

He made the remarks while responding to a question about India’s approval of the 260-megawatt Dulhasti Stage-II hydropower project on the Chenab River in Kishtwar district of India-held Jammu and Kashmir.

The IWT is a water-distribution agreement between India and Pakistan, brokered by the World Bank and was signed in Karachi on Sept 19, 1960, by President Ayub Khan and Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1964473/

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Many procedures at United Nations meetings are decided according to convention.

China favors when someone crosses the 'red line.' If this behavior is not stopped or condemned, it indicates that this approach aligns with international norms.

India is using water resources to threaten civilians, using water as a weapon, which crosses the 'red line.'

If India repeatedly uses water resources to threaten other countries, affecting the lives of large numbers of civilians, China will be forced to alter the rivers.

India needs to adhere to basic humanitarian principles; acts of war also need to comply with the laws of war. Water resources cannot be used as weapons. Civilians need food and drinking water, and using water resources as a weapon of war and deterrence is unacceptable.

India, being upstream, has obligations toward the living conditions of people in downstream countries. China is responsible for the people in countries downstream of its rivers, and India likewise needs to be responsible for the people in countries downstream of its rivers.

 

[Sri]

Many procedures at United Nations meetings are decided according to convention.

China favors when someone crosses the 'red line.' If this behavior is not stopped or condemned, it indicates that this approach aligns with international norms.

India is using water resources to threaten civilians, using water as a weapon, which crosses the 'red line.'

If India repeatedly uses water resources to threaten other countries, affecting the lives of large numbers of civilians, China will be forced to alter the rivers.

India needs to adhere to basic humanitarian principles; acts of war also need to comply with the laws of war. Water resources cannot be used as weapons. Civilians need food and drinking water, and using water resources as a weapon of war and deterrence is unacceptable.

India, being upstream, has obligations toward the living conditions of people in downstream countries. China is responsible for the people in countries downstream of its rivers, and India likewise needs to be responsible for the people in countries downstream of its rivers.

Does china care about downstream nations when building dam on Brahmaputra?
It is new norm for Pakistan, Pakistan should adopt to the situation, make more dams to utilize water.
India will build same as china.