J-31 to be inducted soon| Pilot training reportedly in progress

[MastanKhan]

Why tagging me again after already quoting me in the first post? You cannot wait for a reply to your stupid insult or just the typical trolling you complained recently in the chat with the mods?

But yes for sure, … the whole PLAAF is a joke, apparently a paper tiger and the J-20 worthless since no J-11, no J-16 and even more so no J-20 unit has any combat experience at all and since in all three cases the PAF was not involved teaching the poor & stupid inexperienced PLAAF pilots on how to flight and fight, the Indian AC is right! The PLAAF is doomed, useless …

As such only since the PAF got its 20 J-10C and since the PAF is teaching the PLAAF on how to use them correctly, at least a few J-10 units are becoming combat experienced and in order not to repeat the same mistake, they are so eager to let the PAF fly their latest stealth fighter in order to teach them on how to operate them. Indeed, how could I be so blind?!

Man … get mature and stop with this hubris, BS, nonsense and utter crap.
The PLAAF knows quite well how to use their fighters and surely they are eager on any input from the PAF due to their experience, but to think they are eager to let them fly a fighter before they get their own ones due to the inexperience in war-fighting is so much nonsense its almost even funny!

Hi,

How would you know about the capabilities of the PLAAF---you have never written about their capabilities---readiness---tactics---combat experience---other than posting a picture book---.

Since when did you become an analyst or a strategist---.

All your posts are which aircraft is where and which sqdrn---and what aircraft has which engine---.

You tagged everyone of my posts---.

 

[r3alist]

Why tagging me again after already quoting me in the first post? You cannot wait for a reply to your stupid insult or just the typical trolling you complained recently in the chat with the mods?

But yes for sure, … the whole PLAAF is a joke, apparently a paper tiger and the J-20 worthless since no J-11, no J-16 and even more so no J-20 unit has any combat experience at all and since in all three cases the PAF was not involved teaching the poor & stupid inexperienced PLAAF pilots on how to flight and fight, the Indian AC is right! The PLAAF is doomed, useless …

As such only since the PAF got its 20 J-10C and since the PAF is teaching the PLAAF on how to use them correctly, at least a few J-10 units are becoming combat experienced and in order not to repeat the same mistake, they are so eager to let the PAF fly their latest stealth fighter in order to teach them on how to operate them. Indeed, how could I be so blind?!

Man … get mature and stop with this hubris, BS, nonsense and utter crap.
The PLAAF knows quite well how to use their fighters and surely they are eager on any input from the PAF due to their experience, but to think they are eager to let them fly a fighter before they get their own ones due to the inexperience in war-fighting is so much nonsense its almost even funny!

In fairness, you are creating a straw man then bringing it down

You might be making too much of paf input, it's not worth trying to debunk

This thread is something between the aspirational and speculative

Who really knows the ins and outs of fighter plane development, paf input could be from close to zero to more than we might conceive, who knows huh

 

[SteppeWolff]

Hi,

Really---. A military general would gives his soldier's left and right foot to get a 'feedback' on the enemy tactics & capabilities---.

Bullseye

PAF has a wealth of combat experience with a near peer adversary and the regular aerial exercise with NATO states or allies. Something PLAAF really lacks.

 

[MastanKhan]

Bullseye

PAF has a wealth of combat experience with a near peer adversary and the regular aerial exercise with NATO states or allies. Something PLAAF really lacks.

Hi,

Thank you for youre post---. PLAAF has no epxerience---only hearsay---.

They maybe great pilots---but we would not know what their reaction would be when sh-it hits the fan.

How to overcome that---you seek input and train with those who have come under fire---.

PLAAF has a plethora of retired american---english---possibly australian pilots as instructors---.

They are not a show piece---they are there to share the tactics of their prior affiliations---.

The PLAAF has no one other than paf to tell them about the indian air force---so why would they not seek their input---.

 

[PakAl]

Hi,

Thank you for youre post---. PLAAF has no epxerience---only hearsay---.

They maybe great pilots---but we would not know what their reaction would be when sh-it hits the fan.

How to overcome that---you seek input and train with those who have come under fire---.

PLAAF has a plethora of retired american---english---possibly australian pilots as instructors---.

They are not a show piece---they are there to share the tactics of their prior affiliations---.

The PLAAF has no one other than paf to tell them about the indian air force---so why would they not seek their input---.

Didn't China gave their latest z10 helicopters to Pakistan for testing/training. It's highly possible a nation would get input from their closest military ally, someone who has combat experience and training with nato. Beautiful looking J31, a beast.

 

[MastanKhan]

Didn't China gave their latest z10 helicopters to Pakistan for testing/training. It's highly possible a nation would get input from their closest military ally, someone who has combat experience and training with nato. Beautiful looking J31, a beast.

Hi,

Testing was done a longtime ago---.

 

[Zarvan]

So you really want to tell us, that China develops a fifth generation fighter on its own cost, will deliver it to a customer - namely Pakistan (and I’m sure again almost for free) - before it gets its own variant - namely the J-35 - only since it „is desperately waiting for us to fly them“?

To deny such nonsense has nothing to do with hate or being a hater, but just with common sense!

How much experience of wars China has? Sir we have always dealt with an enemy four times bigger then us. Plus we have dam good pilots who would take J 31/35 to extreme limits which would help identify issues and resolve them, making the beast even a bigger better deadly beast

 

[HAIDER]

It is confirmed Pakistan will induct J-31 very soon.

@Windjammer @Zarvan

Due few new developments in QUAD meetings , expansion of maritime security close to Gwadar and Chinese trade route.

 

[FHN]

Stop the nonsense about combat experience lol china has been involved in many wars from sino Japanese war, Korean war ,sino Indian war and Vietnam war. Let's be real the only war Pakistan ever been involved in was against India And PLAAF has nothing to worry about Indian airforce. China real threat is the United states. China had done exercises with many countries including the UAE, Thailand and Russia. Thailand is also one of the major US partners in Southeast Asia.

 

[FHN]

I'm sure Chinese pilots have way more training hours than paf counterpart and they get to fly all sort of aircrafts. You don't see china exporting j-20 for others input lol what makes you think china would need that for j-31. J-35 will be in service before j-31 china will prioritize itself first and foremost before any export comes to mind.you have to keep in mind that China doesn't want to change the balance of power too much and to keep India complacent about its security in the region.pakistan will eventually get the export version but that's at least 5 years out imo. As for Quad it's all empty rhetoric as usual. India will not be the sacrificial lamb they are not stupid. Australia will begin building its first SSN-AUKUS in Adelaide South Australia by the end of this decade and deliver to Australian Navy by early 2040s. The US will also deliver 3 Virginia class submarines by then china will have sufficient nuclear deterrent at sea.

 

[FHN]

Now let's talk about India don't we the second nuclear submarine INS Arighaat got laid down in 2011 launched in 2017 and commissioned in 2024 while china can build 4 type 039b in a single year! And they are both in the same tonnage!the QUAD is overrated. Japan is more useful than the quad is for the battle of Taiwan.

 

[Deino]

How much experience of wars China has? Sir we have always dealt with an enemy four times bigger then us. Plus we have dam good pilots who would take J 31/35 to extreme limits which would help identify issues and resolve them, making the beast even a bigger better deadly beast

Again, this is something no-one denies, but is this THE reason to belive China could not test and verify a fighter on its own or even more needs Pakistan‘s help to do so? NO

So even if this might be seen as a reason, it does not make it more likely that the PLA provides its fighters first to Pakistan to make them combat ready nor does any other PLAAF fighter without Pakistani contribution is less war-ready.

 

[Deino]

In fairness, you are creating a straw man then bringing it down

You might be making too much of paf input, it's not worth trying to debunk

This thread is something between the aspirational and speculative

Who really knows the ins and outs of fighter plane development, paf input could be from close to zero to more than we might conceive, who knows huh

Agreed and in no way I want to play down Pakistan‘s experience, but the absence of proof that China DOES NOT uses Pakistan‘s experience to make its fighters combat-ready is not a proof that it uses it.
And even more, it is never a reason to provide Pakistan with a new type before the PLA introduce then in its own service.

You are calling my argument a straw man … well, it was never that way, why should it be now and so IMO you are just looking for any straw, to which one can cling to justify a small justification for "Pakistan will get its J-31 in 2025".

 

[mythbuster]

Agreed and in no way I want to play down Pakistan‘s experience, but the absence of proof that China DOES NOT uses Pakistan‘s experience to make its fighters combat-ready is not a proof that it uses it.
And even more, it is never a reason to provide Pakistan with a new type before the PLA introduce then in its own service.

You are calling my argument a straw man … well, it was never that way, why should it be now and so IMO you are just looking for any straw, to which one can cling to justify a small justification for "Pakistan will get its J-31 in 2025".

Technicalities of training and production lines aside , strategic compulsion is major factor for early deliveries .

 

[Deino]

Hi,

Who gives a rats ar-se if you believe it or not---.

Do you really believe that pakistani defense is waiting for the approval of a german jew for its procurements---.

As I suggested earlier---when pakistan gets the J31 before PLAAF---would you do the honorable thing---?

I can only repeat it again and now in the public!

Again you are calling me a German Jew ... and again you are insisting in this issue after we had a closed chat with the other moderators?

Therefore once again in the public:

To be honest, I don't know if I've ever met a weaker, more despicable person with such a false character than you! It may be understandable that you deliberately spread false information, but the way you do it is limitless.You know very well that I am a Christian and yet the rumour is being spread that I am a German Jew, which on the one hand wouldn't be wrong, because after all, every German Jew is probably less deceitful than you, but it is wrong and above all only spread to provoke, insult and spread hatred among others who don't understand it.

Like I said so often, some day - especially since I'm a Christian - you too will face the consequences and most likely all you can say when asked why such an a..-...e you can only admit, "since I am one!"



You again prove you have no interest in facts, no interest in being honest, in a decent discussion and being truthfully to other members, foreigners or whatever ... your only agenda in all forums is to insult, to boast, to spread lies as facts since you allegedly "know better" or "others are foreigners", to belittle and offend and if proven wrong the story begins again with insults, personnel offence and lies.

Just look in the J-10 tread where you even admitted is

Hi,

You are forgetting the most important item---to confuse the enemy---to sabotage the enemy---to make the enemy chasing shadows---.

The enemy fighter aircraft procurement is in shambles at the moment---. It is running scared of its own shadow---running scared of its own incompetency---.

Don't you think it is our job to keep them unhinged and running around in circles---.

Since when is honesty needed in a mis-information campaign---.

Make the enemy so confused that it cannot tell a lie from the truth---and that is where they are at.

Today---Norway puts a restriction on a critical part for the Tejas engine---. Does pakistan has to do anything with it---.

In fact i have nothing more to say on this.

@Mr X you said yourself "I thought we are done with this discussion" and still he continues with this BS!