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I think he meant in weight class? right? Otherwise JF17 is way too advanced then fa50. its not even a comparison. Jf17 can easily outclass many medium fighters as well. Heavy fighters like IAF su 30 MKI is also in problem with jf17 KLJ 7A and PL15 like goodies.

Don't ever associate JF-17c with the word "cheap".

It is your mindset that is "cheap".

Ask Azerbajianis, it is more than $100m a piece.
Agreed.
 
any Idea why we are not producing more Block 3's ? we still have 150-200 oldie jets to replace.
I think they're building them, just not making their production or induction public anymore.

I think PAF / PAC don't wan't me to know the latest serial numbers.
 
Saudi news was wrong:

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Air Commodore (R) Khalid Chisti says, Myanmar acquired 7 (seven) JF-17 Thunders but most people on the forum have mentioned 8 (eight) over the years.
 
JF-17 is the true successor to the F-5 and MIG-21

MIG-29 and F-16 were sold as successors but had to fill in major roles for theor home air forces (USSR and USA). As a result bother were heavier, more sophisticated and more expensive then required by the many air forces that had the F-5/MIG-21.

Eventually F-16 went to medium/expensive catagory. Very few countries could afford one on one replacements, and even before sanctions PAF had to go for more F-7s instead of ordering 200+ F-16s to replace every F-6
 
Mostly trainer-fighters dual purpose type lightweights like FA-50 that also offers AESA but no PL-15 equivalent.
At the end of the day, if a customer wants it, KAI is exploring Meteor integration with it, not only that, but the AMRAAM-D is ready on the block 70's. I have no interest however in hearing you tell me about how the PL-15 is the super missile wonderweapon and nothing compares, because you cant make that claim. So, dont bother with that rubbish. So yes, the FA-50 offers in class missiles.

FA-50 is nearly twice the cost of a JF-17 block 3 though and that's just unit price. Packaged for western weapons, parts and training, the FA-50 as a package would be more than 4 times the cost compared to a JF-17 block 3.
False. The Philippines paid 59m/unit for their FA-50PH. Heck, the Polish deal, which included a custom variant (FA-50PL) which included the Phantomstrike AESA and additional missiles worked out to 68m/usd per unit.

If the Azeri contract details are true, it puts the JF-17 at 115m/unit. The NAF paid 100m/unit too. Etc etc. Yes, they probably include infrastructure, however, at nearly double, those HAS better come with sacks of gold.

Tejas MK1.A would be an equivalent too but it's F404 engine supply dependent whereas even though the FA-50 uses the F404 as well, South Korea and Lockheed Martin directly profit from FA-50 sale so Uncle Sam is more likely to not disrupt engine supply. Mk1 hasn't got AESA yet but India claims to be close to putting Uttam to replace the Israeli EL/M-2052. Also doesn't have a missile comparable to PL-15 yet. Astra they say will be long ranged 200km + as well.
The Tejas is out of the game realistically.

Other fighters are far more expensive - Gripen E/F is like 5 times the price.
Which Gripen E contracts put it at 500m/unit?

If your country is western aligned or hopes to be then FA-50 or Gripen is the choice if you have deep pockets. Otherwise Tejas MK1.A or JF-17 block 3 is the choice. Mig-35 is more expensive than JF-17 and possibly worse performing since it has no AESA for actual use and no R-37M. Twin engine for Mig-35 also works against it for operational costs.
The MIG-35 has the benefit of commonality with the 29. Though, its also a non starter due to Russias state now. Most operators will continue to keep their 29's limping along until they cannot anymore. The JF-17 is actually an ok replacement for the 29, but PAC/CAC does not pitch it as such. Operational cost is not necessarily a figure looked at by forces on a budget as much, upfront cost is something more of a priority for them, this is why you end up seeing forces with questionable platforms that were cheap to buy, but insanely costly to run(cough, ZDK.). Its also why you see some of the worlds least funded forces operating insanely costly to run equiptment.
Any airforce that wants ready and proven AESA and long range missile combo for affordable price can only select JF-17 block 3.
The PAF denied any JF-17 involvement on any kills during op Sindoor.

And that aside, i sure as hell dont need to see an engagement to know that raytheon can build a bloody good aesa!
 
the only real competitor is the FA-50, perhaps even the M346FA, both seem to be doing better. The LWF category is a weird one, one in which most countries are not interested.
Interesting that South Korea is producing both the FA-50 Fighting Eagle and the KF-21 Boramae at the same time. I don't think any M-346 FA/FGA have been delivered yet?
  • Italy's M-346 FA/FGA - 52 ordered by 3 countries. (Wikipedia).
  • South Korea's FA-50 Fighting Eagle - 111 in service with 5 air forces and 62 on order. (Wikipedia)
  • Sino-Pak's JF-17 Thunder - 163 in service with 3 air forces and 40 on order.
 
Don't know why people can't just use "affordable" word🙄

i would say even "affordable" is not enough, no offence to you.

it's the JF-17 marketing team, they are unprofessional when it comes to market a product like a fighter plane.

words like cheap, modest or budget, they don't go with a high-tech industry product.

JF-17 is an advanced product; it has its very own development and evolution process with innovation and mechanization. there is a ton of things to talk about it.

it is so easy to market a product that is high-tech with a very decent price tag.

a price is not something to begin with, and this is where they are wrong. they must hire a professional marketing team. i am sure the first thing the hired team will ask them is to stop calling it cheap. it ruins all the impression from the very beginning.
 
i would say even "affordable" is not enough, no offence to you.

it's the JF-17 marketing team, they are unprofessional when it comes to market a product like a fighter plane.

words like cheap, modest or budget, they don't go with a high-tech industry product.

JF-17 is an advanced product; it has its very own development and evolution process with innovation and mechanization. there is a ton of things to talk about it.

it is so easy to market a product that is high-tech with a very decent price tag.

a price is not something to begin with, and this is where they are wrong. they must hire a professional marketing team. i am sure the first thing the hired team will ask them is to stop calling it cheap. it ruins all the impression from the very beginning.

Agreed. Cheap word does not look good when you want to buy a goody that is suppose to defend your land. Nobody wants cheap. That is why some countries rather have 5 f16 or 5 Sukhoi then a cheap fighter.

I once had a discussion and realized not all airforce personal consider jf17 a cheap fighter. block 1 and 2 were only jets that were suppose to replace f7 like fighters but it went into full multi role. Block 3 is f16 with newer and advanced avionics, geopolitical freedom. But many think F16 is medium fighter and can only be replaced with medium fighter. Due to embargoes we had no option to replace f16 and j10 was not ready at the time. With induction of j10 & block 3 jets F16 is now replaced as front line AA fighter (F16 has better A2G IMHO). if jf17 is used as front line and BVR engagements before f16 then I think in BVR engagements jf17 has already surpassed it.

On a side note. I think jf17 became more than what it was intended to be (Replacement of f7 and mirage) Although in some role mirage is not yet replaced. when we inducted f7 it was for CAS and interceptor role. Jf17 does much more than that. So it is much more than just replacement.

I also think currency has lot to do with it and market. if jf17 was American plane it would have costed 60 plus millions. just like f20 tiger shark if it had gone ahead would. As it was low cost alternate to f16 much like jf17 but in 1980s it costed 15 to 18 million dollars. with the way f16 price went f20 would have been at least 50 to 60 million.

I wonder if jf17 was deliberately set as 50 million dollar jet and marketed as new alternate to Russia, Europe and USA, it would have marketed well. With may conflict it already has proven to be more than cheap fighter.​
 

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