JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Michael]

Does Kyrgyzstan need a fighter like JF-17? They have no major requirements I think, fleet us mostly just helicopters

Every country wants to possess stronger military capabilities. This is the driving force. However, many countries face various difficulties in achieving this.

The five Central Asian countries are generally considered to be within Russia's traditional sphere of influence. Russia has a very deep influence in these regions. If it's just selling general weapons to these countries, Russia usually won't interfere too much. However, if it involves selling advanced fighter jets like the JF-17B3, Russia might not remain silent.

By the way, Rwanda is indeed a potential customer for the JF-17. In recent years, their military strength has been growing very rapidly.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Every country wants to possess stronger military capabilities. This is the driving force. However, many countries face various difficulties in achieving this.

The five Central Asian countries are generally considered to be within Russia's traditional sphere of influence. Russia has a very deep influence in these regions. If it's just selling general weapons to these countries, Russia usually won't interfere too much. However, if it involves selling advanced fighter jets like the JF-17B3, Russia might not remain silent.

By the way, Rwanda is indeed a potential customer for the JF-17. In recent years, their military strength has been growing very rapidly.

Raising half a squadron would cost 10% of their GDP.

 

[hasssanali8998]

I hear you load and clear that my words upset you, and I didn’t mean for them to come across that way.

no , u didn't upset me i was just shocked at the absolute retardness of that statement

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

no , u didn't upset me i was just shocked at the absolute retardness of that statement

It may sound Stupid or retarded to you but I can give many such stories from Pakistani army and Pakistani embassies. Pakistan is divided based on language and culture but I won’t get into that here. As Pravin Sawhney always say, I can’t give you all the information here, you have to wait for my book.

 

[Michael]

Raising half a squadron would cost 10% of their GDP.

I don't know how many people in Pakistan are studying or paying attention to Rwanda. But there are indeed many people on Chinese social media who are following Rwanda.

Their current social development is very stable. China is the largest source of foreign investment in Rwanda. Chinese investment in Rwanda is increasing year by year. Investment is mainly concentrated in agriculture, education, and basic industries. Currently, this potential is not yet fully evident, but it will unleash its potential in a few years. Chinese people call Rwanda the "Singapore of Africa."

Most of the officers in the Rwandan army have received systematic training at Chinese military academies. Their leadership philosophy, combat tactics, and strategic thinking all originate from Chinese instructors.

When their economic conditions permit, the JF-17 will be their best choice for building an advanced air force. This will take some time, but not too long.

 

[maxpane]

I don't know how many people in Pakistan are studying or paying attention to Rwanda. But there are indeed many people on Chinese social media who are following Rwanda.

Their current social development is very stable. China is the largest source of foreign investment in Rwanda. Chinese investment in Rwanda is increasing year by year. Investment is mainly concentrated in agriculture, education, and basic industries. Currently, this potential is not yet fully evident, but it will unleash its potential in a few years. Chinese people call Rwanda the "Singapore of Africa."

Most of the officers in the Rwandan army have received systematic training at Chinese military academies. Their leadership philosophy, combat tactics, and strategic thinking all originate from Chinese instructors.

When their economic conditions permit, the JF-17 will be their best choice for building an advanced air force. This will take some time, but not too long.

They came to paf for training and paf wnt train helicoper pilots but people here only think about coubtries who have money.i think the big potential is where those who dnt have proper airforce. Its a huge market for jf 17s

 

[safriz]

When you fly to Bishkek, you (still) see some old-ass-RadioShack-dinosaur-age-jets from the Soviet-era parked around.

Do they need something like JF-17?

No, not really - but ... you never know.

All these Centeral Asian Countries are like cousins, but that doesn't mean that they won't have differences.

Lucky for Kyrgyzstan - they don't border an an a-hole Country like Afghanistan.

How dare you call Afghanistan A=Hole ?
The are the grave of civilization, civility and any progress.
They are hell bent on remaining in Dinosaur era. The stupids destroyed their lifeline trade route, the Babe Dosti gate. Then bragged about it. Its another thing that it was the main route of food going to Afghanistan and its destruction was their loss not Pakistans loss.

 

[Oscar]

It may sound Stupid or retarded to you but I can give many such stories from Pakistani army and Pakistani embassies. Pakistan is divided based on language and culture but I won’t get into that here. As Pravin Sawhney always say, I can’t give you all the information here, you have to wait for my book.

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[Tariq Habib Afridi]

@HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR why we didnt use Ra'ad 2 in may7-10 conflict when IAF used SCALP-EG and brahmos? Also, is there any work going on in integrating our ALCMs with J-10CE?

 

[AeronautIR]

@HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR why we didnt use Ra'ad 2 in may7-10 conflict when IAF used SCALP-EG and brahmos? Also, is there any work going on in integrating our ALCMs with J-10CE?

Can't answer the why part on behalf of top brass but my guess is to show restraint for escalation control in a nuclear environment. Cruise missiles are on next rung of escalation ladder.
I think we will see multi-role operationalization of J-10 after completion of the order. For now, the single sqn will focus purely on air superiority role in my guess. The Cobras were tip of the spear in keeping IAF at bay on 7th May's night.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Can't answer the why part on behalf of top brass but my guess is to show restraint for escalation control in a nuclear environment. Cruise missiles are on next rung of escalation ladder.
I think we will see multi-role operationalization of J-10 after completion of the order. For now, the single sqn will focus purely on air superiority role in my guess. The Cobras were tip of the spear in keeping IAF at bay on 7th May's night.

Maybe we have very limited Ra'ad (the focus was tactical).. but i guess now the top brass must be thinking on conventional response and parity?

DId we get (or can get) anything special from china on J-10CE weapons where JF-17 has a limit?
Also if we have all the J10CE procured, will china allow us to integrate our own weapons on J10CE?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Maybe we have very limited Ra'ad (the focus was tactical).. but i guess now the top brass must be thinking on conventional response and parity?

DId we get (or can get) anything special from china on J-10CE weapons where JF-17 has a limit?
Also if we have all the J10CE procured, will china allow us to integrate our own weapons on J10CE?

Better question might be the status of Taimoor and other CMs that were also marketed for export, and therefore clearly earmarked for conventional use. Same philosophy will likely see us using Fatah IV (conventional version of babur) rather than the Babur itself.

I am also of the opinion like you, that even with a well provisioned and large enough army rocket force, standoff strikes from the airforce, like the CM-400 use, will still be needed at scale in the next conflict.

 

[Michael]

...... will china allow us to integrate our own weapons on J10CE?

This depends on the specific terms of the procurement contract.

Theoretically, no fighter jet exporting country would be happy to see the purchasing country use weapon systems unrelated to their own on these fighter jets, unless they themselves cannot provide those weapons.
Therefore, China would certainly not be pleased to see the PAF (Pakistan Air Force) using missiles or other payloads entirely developed by Pakistan on the J-10CE (with the exception of missiles and payloads developed through China-Pakistan cooperation).
However, China would not strictly prohibit Pakistan from independently integrating its own missiles onto the J-10CE for use; they would usually remain silent on such actions. But you cannot expect China to provide assistance in this process. This can only be solved through your own capabilities. If Pakistan damages these J-10CE fighter jets through its own research and development efforts, it may lose the warranty coverage provided by China.

Simply put: China will certainly not agree to you doing this. But if you do it anyway, we won't strongly oppose or protest. You will be responsible for any resulting losses.

The Su-27/30/35 aircraft sold by Russia to China were initially unable to use Chinese missiles and other payloads. China conducted in-depth research on the relevant systems, eventually enabling these fighter jets to use Chinese missiles and other payloads.

This is consistent with the rules for typical commercial products.
You bought a laptop. What would the manufacturer do if you tried to replace the internal components yourself?

 

[AeronautIR]

Maybe we have very limited Ra'ad (the focus was tactical).. but i guess now the top brass must be thinking on conventional response and parity?

DId we get (or can get) anything special from china on J-10CE weapons where JF-17 has a limit?
Also if we have all the J10CE procured, will china allow us to integrate our own weapons on J10CE?

Some of the questions have been answered above already... I think we just see PAF as a stand-alone service like those of great powers... with limited resources, Joint operations are always a better option...
India has also used Surface launched cruise missiles along with ALCMs... PAF has the capability to strike, as evident by S-400 destruction, but it is economically feasible to prioritize other assets and keep such weapons at the end of buying list if we have other services available for those roles.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Some of the questions have been answered above already... I think we just see PAF as a stand-alone service like those of great powers... with limited resources, Joint operations are always a better option...
India has also used Surface launched cruise missiles along with ALCMs... PAF has the capability to strike, as evident by S-400 destruction, but it is economically feasible to prioritize other assets and keep such weapons at the end of buying list of we have other services available for those roles.

@HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR

I watched one of your recent podcasts/interviews on YouTube, and I found it to be exceptionally good. I strongly encourage you to increase your production frequency. Currently, we rarely encounter content from genuine professionals; the landscape is dominated by clickbait YouTubers whose production quality is generally abysmal, and often quite laughable.

We typically see this caliber of specialized, high-quality discussion originating from the Western sphere. Platforms like 'Quwa,' and a few other professional initiatives from Pakistan, are notable exceptions.

I urge you to share links to all your content (videos, articles, and blog posts) directly within this forum. More importantly, please consider mentoring and cultivating a wider pool of professionals (extending beyond the Air Force) to actively foster a robust, high-quality generation of indigenous digital content from the Pakistani side.