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Before even talks begin there has to be peace agreement between three nations.
In actual international relations, "agreements on paper" hold little practical significance. Real-world power is the true deciding factor.

Let’s analyze this from a military perspective:

India needs 300 fighter jets. Pakistan won’t sell them any! China won’t sell them any! They could turn to Russia, France, or the United States... there are plenty of suppliers out there.

Now, imagine you are a commander in the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). What kind of fighter jets would you want your adversary to be flying—the JF-17 Block III, J-10CE, Su-35, Rafale, or F-16V?

If it were up to me, I’d choose the JF-17 Block III for them.

I’ve both made a fortune from my "enemies" and won the war against them. What’s wrong with that?
 
Nothing. So let china sell not 300 but only 60 J-20 and 60 J-35 to Taiwan....
You are beyond saving.

Taiwan is not an "enemy" of the PRC!!! At the very least, the PRC has never viewed Taiwan as an "enemy"! We simply view Taiwan as a brother who's throwing a tantrum!

You need to get a clear understanding of what "enemy" actually means.

If India or Japan were to seek to purchase the FC-31/J-35 fighter jet, I would have no objection to selling it to them—provided they are willing to place an order and pay the full amount. The J-20 fighter, however, is not for sale!
 
You need to look at this problem from a different perspective.

If—and I mean *if*—India were to proactively seek to purchase 300 JF-17B3 aircraft, do you think China and Pakistan would agree to the sale? ------ I don’t know what Pakistan’s decision would be. However, if India were to take the initiative to purchase 300 J-10CE fighter jets from China, I believe CATIC would agree. Of course, India would need to pay the full amount upfront!

In reality, such a scenario is almost impossible. This example is intended merely to illustrate a particular line of reasoning. Furthermore, although India has experienced many points of friction with China in recent years, its volume of orders for goods from China has not decreased—on the contrary, it has actually increased.
So, in this scenario, Chinese controls will not restrict the sale of arms to India? Is that the policy of the PRC?
 
You are beyond saving.

Taiwan is not an "enemy" of the PRC!!! At the very least, the PRC has never viewed Taiwan as an "enemy"! We simply view Taiwan as a brother who's throwing a tantrum!

You need to get a clear understanding of what "enemy" actually means.

If India or Japan were to seek to purchase the FC-31/J-35 fighter jet, I would have no objection to selling it to them—provided they are willing to place an order and pay the full amount. The J-20 fighter, however, is not for sale!
So you want to sell weapons to your enemies but not to your brother?Great Logic. I'm glad you don't make China's export policies.

And since your logic was that selling your own weapons is the means to win war, i assume you are preparing for war with Japan and India , but never with Taiwan....well at least we know that you don't sit on the CMC.....and why! 😁
 
So you want to sell weapons to your enemies but not to your brother?Great Logic. I'm glad you don't make China's export policies.

And since your logic was that selling your own weapons is the means to win war, i assume you are preparing for war with Japan and India , but never with Taiwan....well at least we know that you don't sit on the CMC.....and why! 😁
When it comes to simple issues, you always tend to overcomplicate them; yet when it comes to complex issues, you prefer to oversimplify them.

Consider the following question carefully:

Many countries around the world have purchased F-35 fighter jets. If a global conflict were to break out, and setting aside political considerations—analyzing the situation purely from a military and technical perspective—do you believe these nations could use their F-35s to attack the United States?

Or,

Do you think the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is free to use its F-16s to attack the United States? And is the PAF free to use its J-10CEs to attack China? ------ Excluding political factors!

Weapon systems embedded with advanced modern information technology derive their operational effectiveness from the continuous technical support and upgrades provided by the original equipment manufacturers (OEMs). The procurement of such systems by any nation invariably comes with technical support services, as well as contractual restrictions—essentially defining "prohibited use cases." Should a nation attempt to employ these weapon systems against the country of origin, such actions trigger contractual clauses that allow the manufacturer to legally—and through various technical means—render the equipment entirely inoperable, effectively turning it into nothing more than a "useless hunk of metal."

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Turkish media once reported that Chinese-exported UAVs are unable to enter Chinese airspace; whenever they approach China’s borders, they automatically turn back.

If this report is accurate, I suspect it stems from technical testing conducted by Pakistan. In technical terms, this is known as: geofencing!
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In the field of modern information technology, there is a vast number of similar technical approaches.

If your "enemy" merely seeks to purchase a small quantity of advanced weaponry from you—for purposes such as technical testing, reverse engineering, or use by opposing-force (OPFOR) units—then such a transaction is certainly out of the question.

However, if your "enemy" wishes to acquire a massive quantity of these weapons—enough to equip their combat forces—then such a deal is, in fact, feasible. This ensures that they could never realistically use these weapons to wage war against you, while simultaneously consuming a vast portion of their defense budget.

BTW.
In the past, weapon systems did not recognize a "master." Whoever held one in their hands became its master.
During the Chinese Civil War, many of the weapons in the hands of the CCP forces had originally been supplied by the United States to the KMT.
During the Sino-Vietnamese War, much of the weaponry used by the Vietnamese military consisted of arms that China had previously provided to North Vietnam to help it fight against the United States.
In the current Russia-Ukraine War, both sides make extensive use of Soviet/Russian-made weaponry—for instance, the Su-27 pitted against the Su-35.

The nations that originally manufactured these weapons began contemplating this issue in depth many years ago.
 
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You need to look at this problem from a different perspective.

If—and I mean *if*—India were to proactively seek to purchase 300 JF-17B3 aircraft, do you think China and Pakistan would agree to the sale? ------ I don’t know what Pakistan’s decision would be. However, if India were to take the initiative to purchase 300 J-10CE fighter jets from China, I believe CATIC would agree. Of course, India would need to pay the full amount upfront!

In reality, such a scenario is almost impossible. This example is intended merely to illustrate a particular line of reasoning. Furthermore, although India has experienced many points of friction with China in recent years, its volume of orders for goods from China has not decreased—on the contrary, it has actually increased.

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The Art of War: Know yourself and know your enemy, and you will win every battle!

Would you prefer your "enemy" to be wielding a weapon you are more familiar with, or one that is unfamiliar to you?
Hi,

That is a very interesting post---.

A product that would be / could be used against china---very interesting.
 
Hi,

That is a very interesting post---.

A product that would be / could be used against china---very interesting.
if and thats a very big if. an if so big you would need to high as a kite. they would get the semi skimmed version.

then again this is all hypothetical and you have more of a chance travelling on the Hogwarts express to meet dumbeldor.
 
Honestly, we made a huge mistake selling JF-17 to Azerbaijan and some bad customers.

Azerbaijan is not a good country and completely against our brother Turkey, they re-aligned itself with Israel and the UAE.

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Source:
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/isra...s-aliyev-in-baku-to-strengthen-strategic-ties

Türkiye - Azerbaijan | Strategic Partnership, Regional Alliance, Military Cooperation - News & Updates - read more here:
https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...ation-news-updates.24091/page-25#post-1444741
Relax. Export versions have different systems, subsystems, compared to the seller's systems. Different does not mean inferior. UAE uses the DF that the USAF doesn't despite the latter being more advanced.
Even with different subsystems, Block 3 is a highly capable asset for any user.
 

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