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[hyperman]

Everyone else is trying to compete against Israel in air warfare and lost big time!

You can compete with them but not in a like for like, b/c they are subsidized by the US, so you will never have a qualitative and quantitative advantage. You need to be smarter and exploit their own unique weaknesses and areas where they haven;t put resouces in.

Iran put everything into Ballistic missiles and has built a significant capability that is to be reckoned with. The Israelis don't have this, and do not have the ability to launch 200 missiles with high degree of accuracy that travel to the destination in 7 minutes. So thats one element.

There are several other weaknesses that the Israelis have and strengths that the Iranians have. Namely Geography. Iran is a mountainous fortress that has its unique advantages, it can build vast networks under those mountains and use them for natural defensive cover and concealment. Its also a far larger state, Israel is pretty small by comparison and has far less surface area, in things like Air Defense this is an advantage to the Israelis b/c there are less gaps in the air defense and far more saturation and overlap, but... they are vulnerable, there is no Navy or aircraft carrier of their, all their air platforms have to take off from limited amount of bases and in certain areas, if you destroy their airfields and infrastructure to launch planes, doesn't matter how many F-35s they have, a saturated ballistic missile attack would render them inoperable. The Israelis have tried to remedy this by allegedly coming to an agreement with Cyprus to offer them bases to use in case their airfields are destroyed, but its still a significant vulnerability, one they can't address without US backing and involvement.

 

[TheLine]

I'm sure israeli airforce can take on both right now and win

 

[TheLine]

You can compete with them but not in a like for like, b/c they are subsidized by the US, so you will never have a qualitative and quantitative advantage. You need to be smarter and exploit their own unique weaknesses and areas where they haven;t put resouces in.

Iran put everything into Ballistic missiles and has built a significant capability that is to be reckoned with. The Israelis don't have this, and do not have the ability to launch 200 missiles with high degree of accuracy that travel to the destination in 7 minutes. So thats one element.

There are several other weaknesses that the Israelis have and strengths that the Iranians have. Namely Geography.

Ok but 200 missiles attack for an airbase don't u think it's a waste of resources. And the damage was minimal.lets assume each one cost a million dollar 200 million for an airbase??? Come on man it's not a cost effective strategy.

 

[TheLine]

Israel strength is its airforce. They can bomb with impunity and precisely.

 

[hyperman]

Ok but 200 missiles attack for an airbase don't u think it's a waste of resources. And the damage was minimal.lets assume each one cost a million dollar 200 million for an airbase??? Come on man

Thats not what it cost, and you don't seem to understand what the Iranians where trying to hit.

That attack wasn't one to do damage, it was a deterrent strike, to show that they could touch the Israelis in their most vulnerable places with accuracy, to prove a point, without actually doing damage, to give an off ramp.

The Attack cost about 50 million USD.

The first attack a few months back cost the US about 1 billion+, we don't know how much it cost the Israelis or the UK which also participated. And all this was with Prior warning given by Iran and weeks to prepare by moving assets into place, and with assets activated over Jordan, Patriot batteries activated over Iraq etc etc. And yet on the first strike Iran managed to oversaturate the Iron Dome and Arrow/David's sling air defense system, as well as the Aegis and US Navy Air defense assets.

 

[TheLine]

Thats not what it cost, and you don't seem to understand what the Iranians where trying to hit.

That attack wasn't one to do damage, it was a deterrent strike, to show that they could touch the Israelis in their most vulnerable places with accuracy, to prove a point, without actually doing damage, to give an off ramp.

The Attack cost about 50 million USD.

The first attack a few months back cost the US about 1 billion+, we don't know how much it cost the Israelis or the UK which also participated. And all this was with Prior warning given by Iran and weeks to prepare by moving assets into place, and with assets activated over Jordan, Patriot batteries activated over Iraq etc etc. And yet on the first strike Iran managed to oversaturate the Iron Dome and Arrow/David's sling air defense system, as well as the Aegis and US Navy Air defense assets.

Iron domes are not to intercept ballistic missiles only for short range rockets and slow flying drones. I doubt the cost is 50 mil. Iranian missiles can hit but the accuracy is still a bit off. If iran were to launch 200 missiles for each target they can never destroy Israel lol

 

[TheLine]

Don't get me wrong they can cause damage to residential buildings but to completely destroy Israel impossible maybe a few important facilities will get hit in the process that's about it.im still baffled by people saying Iran can destroy all airbases in the region including oil infrastructures. They would run out of missiles fast! Then what's next waiting for Israel and the United states to retaliate? What's the end game?

 

[TheLine]

This is pure biased BS stemming from emotional attachment - not related to facts.

Please see how much the US intervened to save Israel. Even Sharon’s romp through the Sinai had constant SR-71 overflights and C-5s hauling arms day and night.

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Egypt had 5 seconds of glory passing an undefended line and then getting half its army trapped. UN saved Egypt and Syria’s ass.Egypt got 70-80% of their surrounded by Israeli troops and most of their equipment was destroyed by the time the U.N and the U.S pressured Israel to accept a ceasefire with Egypt to prevent the total destruction of Egypt. Also Syria surrendered a few days earlier to Israel when Israeli troops started to approach Damascus.

 

[hyperman]

Don't get me wrong they can cause damage to residential buildings but to completely destroy Israel impossible maybe a few important facilities will get hit in the process that's about it.im still baffled by people saying Iran can destroy all airbases in the region including oil infrastructures. They would run out of missiles fast! Then what's next waiting for Israel and the United states to retaliate? What's the end game?

Its not 200 missiles for one target. And they aren't trying to blow up residential buildings.
The 30-50 million figure was given by Iranian officials.

You are misunderstanding by expecting something like Gaza being done where everything is destroyed.

Iran has been building missiles for more than 2 decades now preparing for this scenario. Their inventory is in the thousands, possibly 10s of thousands.

Did you see what happened in that "houthi" attack several years back on Saudi oil facilites? They knocked out half of Saudi's oil production in the span of minutes.

 

[Fatman17]

Some small YouTube channels saying that Iran has formally requested to buy Jeff Block III. This for real?

Probably not

 

[TheLine]

Its not 200 missiles for one target. And they aren't trying to blow up residential buildings.
The 30-50 million figure was given by Iranian officials.

You are misunderstanding by expecting something like Gaza being done where everything is destroyed.

Iran has been building missiles for more than 2 decades now preparing for this scenario. Their inventory is in the thousands, possibly 10s of thousands.

Did you see what happened in that "houthi" attack several years back on Saudi oil facilites? They knocked out half of Saudi's oil production in the span of minutes.

Have u seen the attack on houthis by Israel? The distance between Israel and Yemen is greater than that to Iranian border lol.

 

[Michael]

The LS-6 system has been tested and dropped but Pakistan is favoring local systems that outrange this system.

The goal is to move whatever can be moved into a local ecosystem to reduce dependency (from a supply chain cutoff perspective in case of conflict or otherwise) from outside sources.

The Tianlei-500 is not a comparable aerial bomb to the LS-6. It is a cluster bomb, and Tianlei-500 is a modified anti-runway aerial bomb based on cluster bomb technology.

Cluster bombs are very sensitive in the international arena, and there are many countries that strongly demand a ban on cluster bombs, with 111 countries signing the Convention on Cluster Bombs. China, India, Pakistan and others have not signed the treaty. However, due to the international implications of cluster bombs, the Tianlei-500 is not suitable for export to other countries.

I do not know if Pakistan has similar weapons.

 

[TheLine]

The same can be said about hezbollah capabilities. I'm sure iran has a good amount of ballistic missiles in place but not as much as u would think. Attacking Saudi oil infrastructure only invites harsher response. About 40-50 got through out of 200. So 20-25 percent success rate which is quite decent. Israel still needs to invest more in arrow 3 and David sling interceptors.

 

[hyperman]

Have u seen the attack on houthis by Israel? The distance between Israel and Yemen is greater than that to Iranian border lol.

And have you noticed that the Iranians have air defense and the Houthis don't?

btw why are you randomly changing subjects, my point on the "houthis"(it wasn't the houthis) was the Iranian missiles that knocked out half the production of Saudi, without even a massive attack.

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Are you a zionist by any chance? lol

 

[mythbuster]

Don't get me wrong they can cause damage to residential buildings but to completely destroy Israel impossible maybe a few important facilities will get hit in the process that's about it.im still baffled by people saying Iran can destroy all airbases in the region including oil infrastructures. They would run out of missiles fast! Then what's next waiting for Israel and the United states to retaliate? What's the end game?

Iranians and their fanboys are living in fools paradise ...I am surprised if they are really that dumb or just trying to boost their Morales ....they won't even know what struck them , they are up for a rude awakening .