JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Ak01]

Don't get excited. I'm not an "armchair expert", I'm just an ordinary military enthusiast.

1. In China's military philosophy, "propaganda work" is one of the important components of war. It is not a derogatory term. The CCP was able to win the KMT-CCP Civil War, and excellent "propaganda work" was one of its core factors.

2. For Chinese military fans, seeing the JF-17B3 adopt the "4+2" air-to-air missile mount is both happy and "jealous". After all, the PLAAF's J-10C usually adopts the "2+2" air-to-air missile mount. Our mood is very complicated. ------Other people's light fighters all use the "4+2" scheme, and you, a medium fighter, only use the "2+2" scheme?

Can you understand this feeling?

im not sure what you want me to say to this. The paf's j-10c's use the same loadout. Its clearly a CAP loadout, hence why weight is not a consideration.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Finally PL-10 & PL-15 …
In light of the current tensions between Pakistan and India, the PAF has decided to release photos of the JF-17C with PL-10 and PL-15 for the first time.

via @OSPSF

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Good news. This settles the debate on PL15Es and JF17Cs. That makes 70 odd PL15 carriers to face off the Rafales.

Question is if this integration is restricted to JF17Cs, or is it also available on Block II's aswell (with launch and guidance provided by an AEW&C or other J10CEs/JF17C's etc ).

 

[Ak01]

Good news. This settles the debate on PL15Es and JF17Cs. That makes odd PL15 carriers to face off the Rafales.

Question is if this integration is restricted to JF17Cs, or is it also available on Block II's aswell (with launch and guidance provided by an AEW&C or other J10CEs/JF17C's etc ).

it will more than likely be a JF-17C thing only for the time being.

Block 2's will be upgraded anyway, but no, the way our datalink's work it currently wont be feasible. Because they work via an intermediary (ground station), they have a minor delay, hence being near real time, not real time, likely not capable of being used as a firing solution

 

[studsmart]

Good news. This settles the debate on PL15Es and JF17Cs. That makes 70 odd PL15 carriers to face off the Rafales.

Question is if this integration is restricted to JF17Cs, or is it also available on Block II's aswell (with launch and guidance provided by an AEW&C or other J10CEs/JF17C's etc ).

43 odd numbers that is 20 j10c plus 23 blk3

 

[Ali_Baba]

43 odd numbers that is 20 j10c plus 23 blk3

I thought PAF ordered 50 Block III's JF17Cs butof course they may be still being delivered?

This value excludes the JF17B's which maybe able to operate the missile too, when they were announced, they was alot of speculation that they operated AESA radars too ?

 

[hussain0216]

I thought PAF ordered 50 Block III's JF17Cs butof course they may be still being delivered?

This value excludes the JF17B's which maybe able to operate the missile too, when they were announced, they was alot of speculation that they operated AESA radars too ?

Maybe they did order them, but all current JF17Cs built are going to Azerbaijan

Grapevine says their is another export order waiting also

So we were due to get any additional JF17C either slowly or once export order has been completed

 

[Bilal]

I thought PAF ordered 50 Block III's JF17Cs butof course they may be still being delivered?

Only official announcement I remember is 30.

 

[Be dazzled]

Some Bs have been fitted with aesa dual rack and blk 3 config. PAF calendar has a picture as well.

 

[Liquidator]

I know that the JF-17B3 can be mounted like this.
However, as an air superiority combat mounting solution, this is too violent. It will affect the maneuverability of the fighter.
4x PL-15 > 800Kg; 2x PL-10 > 210Kg; 3x auxiliary fuel tanks > 1800Kg
The total weight is lower than the maximum load of the JF-17B3.
So, in theory, it is completely fine to mount it like this. But it is not necessary. In actual combat, the configuration of "2x PL-15 + 2x PL-10" will be more balanced.

These are points worthy of consideration and reflection.

Can everyone else please be kind to our guests from China. He is also using translation software as cannot speak English so sometimes things get lost in translation.

We are very grateful to China for ensuring our defence capabilities.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[Aziqbal]

JF17C and PL-15E will be a game changer

also J10C is well integrated into the ranks of the PAF

our love story with F16 is off course still there

and Mirages are also soldiering on

add to that vast array of Block 2 and Block 1 JF17

we are in good shape but my feeling tell me PAF will lead with F16 C/D Block 52+ in any opening confrontation

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

I know that the JF-17B3 can be mounted like this.
However, as an air superiority combat mounting solution, this is too violent. It will affect the maneuverability of the fighter.
4x PL-15 > 800Kg; 2x PL-10 > 210Kg; 3x auxiliary fuel tanks > 1800Kg
The total weight is lower than the maximum load of the JF-17B3.
So, in theory, it is completely fine to mount it like this. But it is not necessary. In actual combat, the configuration of "2x PL-15 + 2x PL-10" will be more balanced.

Don't get excited. I'm not an "armchair expert", I'm just an ordinary military enthusiast.

1. In China's military philosophy, "propaganda work" is one of the important components of war. It is not a derogatory term. The CCP was able to win the KMT-CCP Civil War, and excellent "propaganda work" was one of its core factors.

2. For Chinese military fans, seeing the JF-17B3 adopt the "4+2" air-to-air missile mount is both happy and "jealous". After all, the PLAAF's J-10C usually adopts the "2+2" air-to-air missile mount. Our mood is very complicated. ------Other people's light fighters all use the "4+2" scheme, and you, a medium fighter, only use the "2+2" scheme?

Can you understand this feeling?

This mounting method...has too much of a propaganda vibe to it.

I believe the problem is with your wording (May be translator issue).
Rather than suggesting a "propaganda vibe," it might be better to say that the primary aim of releasing the picture appears to be to convey a message to Indians.

 

[TallGuy]

Good news. This settles the debate on PL15Es and JF17Cs. That makes 70 odd PL15 carriers to face off the Rafales.

Question is if this integration is restricted to JF17Cs, or is it also available on Block II's aswell (with launch and guidance provided by an AEW&C or other J10CEs/JF17C's etc ).

70 odd?

i think we have two squadrons block IIIs (No.8 Sqn, No.16 Sqn) lets say 38 plus we have 1 x sqn of J10CE (No.15 Sqn) let say 20

that is estimated +38+20 = 58

still very very good for 18 odd Rafale operational marked for Pakistan Operations.

The pressure just multiplied many times on IAF planners today uptil today they were counting 4 x sections of J10CE now ...well. abort abort - its a kill box

 

[TallGuy]

JF17C and PL-15E will be a game changer

also J10C is well integrated into the ranks of the PAF

our love story with F16 is off course still there

and Mirages are also soldiering on

add to that vast array of Block 2 and Block 1 JF17

we are in good shape but my feeling tell me PAF will lead with F16 C/D Block 52+ in any opening confrontation

Sir, My gut feeling in next around it will only be JF17s and J10CEs

last time we had hope if utilize F-16/AMRAAM combo - may be we will get more F16s but that boat has long sailed.

By the way Rafale with Metoer will Eat F16AM/BM and Block 52+ in BVR so why expose let the JF17 Block 3 and J10CE with AESA Radars whack of Top Cover and Escorts, then come the F16s

IAF planners started to realize it will be a turkey shoot - better use only Brahmos

 

[Ali_Baba]

70 odd?

i think we have two squadrons block IIIs (No.8 Sqn, No.16 Sqn) lets say 38 plus we have 1 x sqn of J10CE (No.15 Sqn) let say 20

that is estimated +38+20 = 58

still very very good for 18 odd Rafale operational marked for Pakistan Operations.

The pressure just multiplied many times on IAF planners today uptil today they were counting 4 x sections of J10CE now ...well. abort abort - its a kill box

I do include the J17B's which are Block III avionics, so can operate the PL15 aswell ( i am open to being corrected on this front ).