JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[frontline360news]

PAF will have a follow on order for the JF17C-P and JF17C-PFX for sure, where parts of PFX may result in fleet wide upgrades if it is successful as a project. The numbers are unknown, but it wont be 'unlimited/non stop'. Do note, some of the earlier JF17s are approaching the end of their service lives as they were flown a lot to develop the capabilities and test tactics of how to utilise the platform.

So, Could I see a further 100 units for JF17C-P and JF17C-PFX to replace the earlier jets and capacity growth, yes I can and I think that will be the upper limit. PAF will be keen to move onwards to Kaan and J35A.

While the JF-17 PFX design has not yet been finalized, available information suggests significant upgrades over the current JF-17 Block 3. I have observed conflicting design concepts, including both single-engine and twin-engine configurations in preliminary sketches and videos. One notable video even showcased a twin-engine layout, hinting at a possible shift toward greater thrust and redundancy for enhanced combat performance.

AZM has either been shelved or significantly restructured in favor of Turkey’s KAAN fighter program, in which Pakistan is now a partner.

 

[Bentley777]

Before the China-Pakistan joint production agreement was signed, the PLAAF had completely abandoned the procurement of the FC-1.

Pakistan was therefore concerned and they proposed that the agreement include the production of at least 200 JF-17s. i.e., China must ensure support (core components, subsystems) for these 200 JF-17s. They are concerned that China may interrupt the supply of relevant parts and subsystems to PAC at any time.

Without PLAAF order support, it would mean a very small number of JF-17s would be produced. And chinese factories have a greater cost loss of retaining the JF-17's specialized production equipment and tooling. Without contractual constraints, they might have abandoned them very early on. If they drop them, it also means they will no longer produce the parts and subsystems involved for the JF-17.

It would be like if you had 100,000 custom bottles of Coca-Cola made at the Coca-Cola plant with your headshot on it. But you ask for those 100,000 bottles of Coca-Cola to be produced and delivered over 20 years. This means that the Coca-Cola factory must keep the molds for 20 years. This is a huge loss for them.

The 200 JF-17s in this agreement are actually a self-protection measure for Pakistan. For China, it is burdensome. So, CAC desperately wants PAC to localize 100% production of complete airframes.

If its true that CAC desperately wants PAC to totally localize 100% production of jf17 airframe its a win win situation for both. We need that i hope we do it soon and china gov also agrees.

 

[Michael]

If its true that CAC desperately wants PAC to totally localize 100% production of jf17 airframe its a win win situation for both. We need that i hope we do it soon and china gov also agrees.

There is a description of this in the China-Pakistan agreement on the joint production of the JF-17. You can check Pakistani public documents, or some public statements by Pakistani officials.
It is anticipated that CAC may end its supply of the parts in question to PAC upon the expiration of this agreement. PAC will then be required to produce the parts itself. ------ There are no constraints related to the supply of subsystems for the JF-17 by other Chinese companies to PAC. If PAF is willing to continue to purchase these subsystems, these enterprises will continue to supply them. These have nothing to do with the JF-17 production agreement.

 

[Corax]

Well, if the PAF can pretty much defeat anything the indians throw against it, including Rafales and Su-30MKI, using the JF-17/J-10CE combo, why would they need anything else for the time being? Better to induct more advanced versions of JF-17, and not have to respond until the indians make any changes.

 

[Bentley777]

There is a description of this in the China-Pakistan agreement on the joint production of the JF-17. You can check Pakistani public documents, or some public statements by Pakistani officials.
It is anticipated that CAC may end its supply of the parts in question to PAC upon the expiration of this agreement. PAC will then be required to produce the parts itself. ------ There are no constraints related to the supply of subsystems for the JF-17 by other Chinese companies to PAC. If PAF is willing to continue to purchase these subsystems, these enterprises will continue to supply them. These have nothing to do with the JF-17 production agreement.

When the agreement is expiring any knowledge about it in public domain. My suggestion to PAC will be to do this agreement immediately of 100% airframe production in PAC and about subsystems we will keep upgrading with the help of Chinese companies my only worry is will China gov allow CAC to let us build its airframe here in PAC if some major machines are required to build it which we Dont have and on export control list of china.

 

[Michael]

When the agreement is expiring any knowledge about it in public domain. My suggestion to PAC will be to do this agreement immediately of 100% airframe production in PAC and about subsystems we will keep upgrading with the help of Chinese companies my only worry is will China gov allow CAC to let us build its airframe here in PAC if some major machines are required to build it which we Dont have and on export control list of china.

It was agreed in the original agreement that China would help Pakistan to set up the production system regarding the JF-17, and ultimately realize that Pakistan is fully capable of manufacturing the JF-17 independently (excluding sub-systems. For example: radar, engines, electronic warfare systems, etc.). China has no restrictions on exporting raw materials to Pakistan (certain specific raw materials can be exported to Pakistan, but Pakistan may be prohibited from exporting them to third parties).

So, your concern does not exist.

The JF-17 airframe manufacturing effort did not use much of the technology that China restricts exports of. But some of the specialized equipment is really expensive to manufacture. Even if the Chinese companies sold them to PAC at cost regardless of profit, that would be a very large expense.

The crux of the issue is whether the Pakistani government has enough will and money to help PAC accomplish this task.

 

[ghazi52]

Early Bird ...... 2007

 

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[maverick]

Folks,

1) how much more kgs, lbs carrying capacity JF17 blk3 has with new reinforced/ composites wings, airframe abd RD93MA or WS13 engines.

2) Can it carry 3 MK84s with REk kits along with a pair of Air to air missiles ?

3) can someone share pictorial condigruation of blk3 single seater or twin seater in air to air and air to ground configuration..

Appreciate your help

 

[Aziqbal]

fast fighter jets with hypersonic missiles is a deadly combination

a squadron of JF1-7 Block 3 armed with 2 x CM-400 AKG could annihilate any Navy

they could also take heavily defended infrastructure and ports and naval ports

 

[Bentley777]

https://aze.media/turkiye-pakistan-azerbaijan-trilateral-defence-cooperation/.
50 units for Azerbaijan .

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Well, if the PAF can pretty much defeat anything the indians throw against it, including Rafales and Su-30MKI, using the JF-17/J-10CE combo, why would they need anything else for the time being? Better to induct more advanced versions of JF-17, and not have to respond until the indians make any changes.

'More advanced version of the JF-17' is just a J-10C — it has a larger engine for more electrical power/thrust, bigger radar, more payload, and more range.

JF-17 airframe has hit its limits imo, capability wise we are better off inducting more J-10Cs, while doing upgrade work on our existing Jeffs to block 3 standards, keep them modern.