JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Ali_Baba]

all of 7 of them like 4 rafel [or 3] M2000, mig29upg and su30mki?

1 Fast jet(either a Mig29/M2000) belongs to a HQ-9BE, as well as a UAV, the rest "all" belong to J10CE.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Mig-29 was likely JF-17C kill. When FM Muneer and ACM Sidhu visited a base and met with pilots who shot down indian jets. One of 'em was Jeff pilot.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Mig-29 was likely JF-17C kill. When FM Muneer and ACM Sidhu visited a base and met with pilots who shot down indian jets. One of 'em was Jeff pilot.

No. No. No. please do not make stuff up. The award ceremony for the PAF is done. All PAF kills accounted for… nothing for the JF17 for air to air kills.

Will everyone please stop making this nonsense up, it is starting to feel like an Indian run forum with this nonsense…..

 

[Reichmarshal]

Of course China is our father's servant.

باپ کا نوکر
Sounds funny when u translate onto eng

 

[RJV]

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Seem like LERX on this prototype were not as prominent as the current block 3. May be this was changed for production models

 

[RJV]

Yep. still remember. Everyone was so happy in oldest PDF, pakistanidefenseforum.com

There was another video which I vividly remember, the animation of JF-17s. Where SU-30s attack a Pakistani airbase. The F-16s on CAP try to intercept but they lacked BVR so they just evade. Then JF-17 comes out of the hangar and takes off and enages SU-30s. There was an exchange of BVR missiles. In the end many SU-30s were shot down, the last one fires an air to ground missiles towards control tower. A F-7 sacrifices itself coming in between the missile and the tower. The video was made by the member named Londo Molari.

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I think i downloaded it from some forum in those days .
Seem like original version as in ending credits you can see all the details.

 

[SABRE]

1 Fast jet(either a Mig29/M2000) belongs to a HQ-9BE, as well as a UAV, the rest "all" belong to J10CE.

Mig-29 was likely JF-17C kill. When FM Muneer and ACM Sidhu visited a base and met with pilots who shot down indian jets. One of 'em was Jeff pilot.

I have my suspicions - for which I have good reasons - that HQ-9 and JF-17 have one kill each. There are strong hints of JF-17 shooting down MiG-29. HQ-9 downed one or the other French birds. If this indeed is true, don't know why all kills would be attributed to J-10C. The only [conspiracy] theory I have is that Chinese wanted it that way so they can pitch J-10C to countries seeking to buy Rafales.

 

[Metal 0-1]

I have my suspicions - for which I have good reasons - that HQ-9 and JF-17 have one kill each. There are strong hints of JF-17 shooting down MiG-29. HQ-9 downed one or the other French birds. If this indeed is true, don't know why all kills would be attributed to J-10C. The only [conspiracy] theory I have is that Chinese wanted it that way so they can pitch J-10C to countries seeking to buy Rafales.

M-2000 was more than likely AD kill. Could be HQ-9. Cuz there's some esoteric chatter of blue on blue.

 

[RajaBaja]

I have my suspicions - for which I have good reasons - that HQ-9 and JF-17 have one kill each. There are strong hints of JF-17 shooting down MiG-29. HQ-9 downed one or the other French birds. If this indeed is true, don't know why all kills would be attributed to J-10C. The only [conspiracy] theory I have is that Chinese wanted it that way so they can pitch J-10C to countries seeking to buy Rafales.

JF-17 took out the S-400, no jets. They kept the J-10C up front. First wave of PL-15's, that did the damage was fired by the J-10C. The J-10C were kept up front because of their agility and speed. In case they were fired upon, their speed and agility would allow them to break a lock and come to a safer distance much faster than a JF-17. But if somehow we lost J-10C's, the JF-17's would take the spot.

AD had 2 kills or hits. But no confirmation on the debris so they didn't claim it. That's how the rules work.

 

[ThrustVector998]

JF-17 took out the S-400, no jets. They kept the J-10C up front. First wave of PL-15's, that did the damage was fired by the J-10C. The J-10C were kept up front because of their agility and speed. In case they were fired upon, their speed and agility would allow them to break a lock and come to a safer distance much faster than a JF-17. But if somehow we lost J-10C's, the JF-17's would take the spot.

AD had 2 kills or hits. But no confirmation on the debris so they didn't claim it. That's how the rules work.

Su-30 was by HQ-9, along with the drone

 

[Tank131]

no no no no no and no..

The shootdowns of all jets by the PAF have been confirmed 'officially' by the PAF as having been done by the J10CE.

JF17C has no fast jet air to air kills. Only a UAV ( Iranian ) to its name.

Agreed (at least officially) but there were many somewhat credible rumors of a MKI downed during Balakot (so we cant say for sure). That said, JF-17 did take out S-400 which is frankly as big a deal as taking out A rafale.

 

[rafale]

Agreed (at least officially) but there were many somewhat credible rumors of a MKI downed during Balakot (so we cant say for sure). That said, JF-17 did take out S-400 which is frankly as big a deal as taking out A rafale.

S-400 is bigger threat to a flying JF-17 than the current generation IAF Rafales. While Rafale may somehow be able to track/detect JF17, they had no teeth or fangs, i.e. AA missiles that could kill JF-17 in the actual kill range.....S-400 on the other hand can easily track JF-17s and fire at it.

 

[RajaBaja]

S-400 is bigger threat to a flying JF-17 than the current generation IAF Rafales. While Rafale may somehow be able to track/detect JF17, they had no teeth or fangs, i.e. AA missiles that could kill JF-17 in the actual kill range.....S-400 on the other hand can easily track JF-17s and fire at it.

That's exactly what it is. S-400 will now be used as an offensive system. That's also why they are getting 2 more S-400 batteries under urgent procurement and 5 in the next 2 years. They will initially create 2 rings and eventually 3 rings around Pakistani airspace. First ring closer to the border like they have right now, 2nd ring another 50-100 KM behind it and 3rd further behind it. Then they have Barak and LR-Sams placed locally as LOMADS.

The idea for the first 2 layers is to cover essentially 50-70% Pakistani airspace. Even if we take out the first ring, the 2nd and 3rd rings will still cover Indian protective umbrella and they'll still be able to counter threats entering Indian airspace. However, the first layer, as long as it will work, can target 50-70% Pakistani airspace. Their goal is, if they can target every taking of PAF aircraft with 2-3 missiles in a conflict, the aircraft will lose it's mission objectives. It will need to waste fuel in evasive maneuvers to avoid getting shot down while being inside Pakistani airspace. That poses a serious threat to PAF's aircrafts.

We need to adapt a similar strategy to create 2-3 layers. Last one being LOMADS based on some locally produced SAMs like the FAAZ bvr missile similar to NASAMS based on AMRAAMS.

 

[rafale]

That's exactly what it is. S-400 will now be used as an offensive system. That's also why they are getting 2 more S-400 batteries under urgent procurement and 5 in the next 2 years. They will initially create 2 rings and eventually 3 rings around Pakistani airspace. First ring closer to the border like they have right now, 2nd ring another 50-100 KM behind it and 3rd further behind it. Then they have Barak and LR-Sams placed locally as LOMADS.

The idea for the first 2 layers is to cover essentially 50-70% Pakistani airspace. Even if we take out the first ring, the 2nd and 3rd rings will still cover Indian protective umbrella and they'll still be able to counter threats entering Indian airspace. However, the first layer, as long as it will work, can target 50-70% Pakistani airspace. Their goal is, if they can target every taking of PAF aircraft with 2-3 missiles in a conflict, the aircraft will lose it's mission objectives. It will need to waste fuel in evasive maneuvers to avoid getting shot down while being inside Pakistani airspace. That poses a serious threat to PAF's aircrafts.

We need to adapt a similar strategy to create 2-3 layers. Last one being LOMADS based on some locally produced SAMs like the FAAZ bvr missile similar to NASAMS based on AMRAAMS.

But how does our LOMADS or SAMS counter S-400?

I believe the only counter is stronger jamming and ground based attack vectors channeled at precise S-400 locations at the start of the battle.

India is getting S-400s and putting them next to border because now they are desperate to show that they can shoot PAF down within own airspace....

As if shooting down of Rafales and other jets wasn't embarrassing enough for them........even more was that they were all shot down well within Indian airspace......because unlike 2019, IAF had assumed they could stay away from border and hence not lose a jet.


Obviously a captured pilot by PAF would have been Sonay par sohaga...........but India lost a billion worth jets within OWN AIRSPACE.

Nothing gets more embarrassing than that and anyone with even an iota of self respect would be red faced and looking for vengeance.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

S-400 is bigger threat to a flying JF-17 than the current generation IAF Rafales. While Rafale may somehow be able to track/detect JF17, they had no teeth or fangs, i.e. AA missiles that could kill JF-17 in the actual kill range.....S-400 on the other hand can easily track JF-17s and fire at it.

As long as S-400 has not been paralysed by PAF's Electronic Warfare first.

That seems to be the case that during both the 2019 and 2025 conflicts, Pakistan overwhelmed Indian military with electronic and jamming warfare.

For some reason, India/IAF did not learn any lessons from 2019.