Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

[Pakistan First]

Dude they are building a frigate based on an already existing design not the Star destroyer, when the JCF first started the development they gave a 25-26 timeline for the completion of design work so project is on track for its slated timeline.

Your reply is against my which point specifically ? I never talk specifically about "design work" of the ship. I gave overall idea for the first to be inducted in PN around 2033. If construction to start today, then its 6 to 7 yrs till completion of all steps and final induction which isn't bad. Ship building is time taking process. Recall we built last Azmat FAC in around 5 to 6 yrs. That was a mere 600 ton ship.

 

[Toxic]

Your reply is against my which point specifically ? I never talk specifically about "design work" of the ship. I gave overall idea for the first to be inducted in PN around 2033. If construction to start today, then its 6 to 7 yrs till completion of all steps and final induction which isn't bad. Ship building is time taking process. Recall we built last Azmat FAC in around 5 to 6 yrs. That was a mere 600 ton ship.

The the final Azmat started construction several years after the first one was already inducted, if the JCF starts construction by the end of 2027 it will inducted in 2030 or 31 not 33 PN projects are often delayed but not to such an extent.

 

[rafale]

bad comparison.

FM-90 replacement is alot of work relatively. There is systems below the deck etc too.

HQ-16FE is just missile. It uses the same VLS sys so just a software modification most likely

I think chinese would have designed/evolved HQ16FE missiles/control systems as a migration option for the previous gen HQ16 for their own older vessels as well to minimize waste and cost.

 

[Princeps]

The the final Azmat started construction several years after the first one was already inducted, if the JCF starts construction by the end of 2027 it will inducted in 2030 or 31 not 33 PN projects are often delayed but not to such an extent.

You are being way too optimistic. If we are taking 6 years for Baburs, JCF won't be done in 3. 2032-33 is more realistic.

 

[Ak01]

You are being way too optimistic. If we are taking 6 years for Baburs, JCF won't be done in 3. 2032-33 is more realistic.

babur will always have taken longer. It had alot of variations in design. I suspect the JCF hull will be nearly identical to babur's.

Also, at the time, PN was having financial issues and had to delay acceptance

 

[Toxic]

You are being way too optimistic. If we are taking 6 years for Baburs, JCF won't be done in 3. 2032-33 is more realistic.

Babur is more of a money issue, there are just so many projects PN is stretched extremely thin, by 2030 most of these projects would be completed or near completion, most of Hangors would have been inducted, the baburs too, several sea sultan which should open up money for the JCF.

 

[studsmart]

i would give JCF max 5 years to be inducted to PN - around 2030Q2/Q3, consider it started in Q3 2025. This is based on babur class lead time. There is a lot of learning PN had to do much of the design, however, it is from Babur that makes it simple and easy to manufacture.

 

[Ak01]

also, note, babur went through MANY config changes.

Remember, it was meant to be a HQ-16 equipped ship to start.

 

[Toxic]

also, note, babur went through MANY config changes.

Remember, it was meant to be a HQ-16 equipped ship to start.

Imagine if it was a 12 cell HQ-16 equipped ship... (Or 16 cell in its original config)

 

[studsmart]

based on OSINT, JCF will be 16 - 24 cell Anti Air VLS, 8 ssm, 2x3 torpedo tubes, ASuW and ASW heli, drones, 76mm main gun, STAMP gun, CIWS etc etc. a decent modern platform but not going to be cutting edge in 2030.

 

[Corax]

babur will always have taken longer. It had alot of variations in design. I suspect the JCF hull will be nearly identical to babur's.

Also, at the time, PN was having financial issues and had to delay acceptance

Begs the question, if the hull is identical, why bother with JCF?

 

[studsmart]

Begs the question, if the hull is identical, why bother with JCF?

Who says it is identical ... JCF is based on Babur class corvette, good 10 meters longer and bigger by 400+ tons. It is a Pakistani design and own.

 

[Yasser76]

Begs the question, if the hull is identical, why bother with JCF?

It is not identical, JCF is 300 tons heavier and around 12m longer.

 

[Ak01]

Begs the question, if the hull is identical, why bother with JCF?

Who says it is identical ... JCF is based on Babur class corvette, good 10 meters longer and bigger by 400+ tons. It is a Pakistani design and own.

Nearly identical I said!

As @puttputt pointed out, it seems the Turks developed the Ada class then handed the design to private sector to build offshoots. While the ships may displace more and be longer, it’s not a significant length. You’re probably talking about an additional hull block, perhaps to allow for a larger VLS setup.

i also think that a lot of the additional displacement is a result of the redesigned superstructure on the ship, but also reinforcing the deck to be able to support our big fat missiles. For reference, the addition of an extra 2 smash missiles makes up nearly 2% of the additional displacement (400tons). Then some to reinforce the deck for the extra weight…etc

You can see the hull form is basically identical, at best, a slightly scaled up version.

In any case, optimising the use of the deck space seems to be the trend with the JCF, alongside reducing the RCS- which has always been a consideration for the PN. Even with the Azmat, the key was the superstructure being optimised for RCS reduction and a new weapons suite.

I think possibly what we will either see if changes to the design as it’s built like we did with Babur, or additional flights with modifications that are a bit deeper, however, as of now, I think it’s purely an iterative upgrade/a optimisation of the hull into the ‘ideal’ vessel for the PN, with them giving it the NRDI treatment. However as I said, perhaps we will see a flight 2 with more major improvements.

 

[puttputt]

It's worth noting that at some point the PN also decided to change the Jinnah-class from CODAD to CODAG -- i.e., like the Babur-class.