Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[hussain0216]

Of course China endorses and of course Iran has its approval too. Look at the Pravin Swaheny video I posted yesterday where he connected the dots of various foreign visits to/from China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan on top of the several meetings between the 'STEP' (Saudia-Turkey-Egypt-Pakistan) diplomats.
This is a big realignment of regional countries and, I believe, if/when the American fleet leaves Iran's vicinity more is to come.

This has been in the planning for a few years and all stakeholders were in the loop

Even Iran was informed and behind the scenes multiple discussions were going on

The biggest negative was Egypt, because it borders Israel and controls the suez


Bringing Egypt on board means that Egypt needs to step away from at least some of the embrace it has with Israel

 

[Musings]

Stick to the topic guys

 

[M. Sarmad]

You don't think Stanley WOLPERT may have been biased? Look at the origin of the surname WOLPERT.

I don't recall that argument coming from Wolpert anyway........ The "double minority" thesis was made popular by Faisal Devji, an Oxford historian, in Muslim Zion (Harvard University Press, 2013):... the League's non sectarian "general Islam" was shaped by its Shia and Ismaili leadership, who needed protection from both the Hindu and the Sunni majority.......... Vali Nasr makes similar point in "The Shia Revival" and so does Akbar S. Ahmed in "Jinnah, Pakistan and Islamic Identity"........ So the surname theory doesn't really apply here.....

 

[hussain0216]

EXACTLY.............................I'm starting to think that those complaining about the Mekkah pact are not even Pakistanis but rather indian hindu/sikh hindutva trolls or so-called, "indian-Muslims". "indian Muslims" are nothing more than a neutered slave race who feel that they have to be anti-Pakistani in order to be accepted by indian hindus and sikhs, which they so deeply crave.

Ass burn list

Indians
Zionists
White supremacists
Afghans
PTI fanboys
Ethnocentric lannats
UAE Arabs

All patriotic Pakistani are happy, we can see the potential
Rather then go through another 100 years of being picked off one by one, our Nations need to come to together to form a plan to safeguard the Muslim world and it's resources

Once we bring other countries on board, we can potentially control or have a influence on

Entry into the Mediterranean
Eastern Mediterranean
Suez Canal
Bab al whatever it is
Hormuz
Malacca

And put smaller vulnerable Muslim states under the umbrella of a large alliance

Whilst also better protecting the vast resource of the Muslim world and keeping enemies out


For some reason these clowns don't want any change, so we suffer for another 500 years


The ethnocentric lannats and PTI fanboys are especially jahil, all they want is Pakistan falling apart so their Messiah returns and they can carve up Pakistan for their sardars and chiefs, bunch of ducking clowns

 

[Hazard]

Most threats these countries will face themselves

Just because Afghanistan or Taliban fire a few drones, doesn't mean we immediately panic and invoke the pact and ask Saudi and Turkey for a million soldiers or something daft

We can handle India and Afghanistan

If a critical war breaks out then we will expect support whether it be diplomatic or material
Only if things turn critical will we expect anyone to send actual forces




We have got to get it out of our heads that every fart in the wind will mean alliance countries will pounce to action

No one is sending any forces to Pak, nor can I envisage a scenario where Pak would request them. Even a full fledged war with India will NOT compel Pak to request manpower from anyone. Materialistic, economic support? MOST CERTAINLY. Manpower? Extremely unlikely.

 

[hussain0216]

No one is sending any forces to Pak, nor can I envisage a scenario where Pak would request them. Even a full fledged war with India will NOT compel Pak to request manpower from anyone. Materialistic, economic support? MOST CERTAINLY. Manpower? Extremely unlikely.

But financial and material support at a time of war could be critical

But in peacetime, it's the diplomatic strength of multiple countries coming together and the funding that could be obtained for joint projects or existing projects

 

[Meengla]

No one is sending any forces to Pak, nor can I envisage a scenario where Pak would request them. Even a full fledged war with India will NOT compel Pak to request manpower from anyone. Materialistic, economic support? MOST CERTAINLY. Manpower? Extremely unlikely.

Pakistan raised a force of 10,000 just to protect China's CPEC investment. Imagine what can a country of 250 million do with funding provided to a nation where war-like traditions go back thousands of years. Didn't we see Pakistanis in farms trying to shoot down approaching Indian/Israeli drones during the May 2025 conflict?

 

[flyingorca]

israelis attack WHEN YOU ARE WEAK. They don't need provoking. Even if you li*k their ar*es, they will attack you if you are weak and vulnerable with an inadequate military. If you don't believe me, just ask the Palestinians and Lebanese. Pacifying and appeasement doesn't work with the israelis. The Mekkah pact will open open a pathway for Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia to become MUCH MORE militarily powerful than they already are. israel ONLY respects strength and power. They will ONLY leave you alovne one they see that you are powerful or that the cost of messing with you is not worth it.

My response was to those Pakistanis who keep on harping about why Pak Turk Saud pact must attack Israel and liberate Gaza to prove their worth. Thats why I said if Israel gets attacked by the 3 nations and its survival is at stake then they will use Nukes. So I was just showing them the bitter truth.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Stick to the topic guys

Looks great on paper but history since the world wars says otherwise..... We were treaty allies of the West in SEATO and CENTO, nobody came in 1965, nobody came in 1971 when the country was literally being cut in half... Americans even embargoed arms to us in 65 while we were their ally.....

And this cuts both ways, if Saudis or Turks come under attack tomorrow, how much can we realistically do for them? Even the Turkish FM has already said the form of support will be decided through consultations after an attack, and that word is the escape hatch.....

In the end every nation fights its enemies alone, every one of us.... Nothing wrong with the agreement, sign it by all means, but some things are too good to be true so no high hopes....

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Ass burn list

Indians
Zionists
White supremacists
Afghans
PTI fanboys
Ethnocentric lannats
UAE Arabs

All patriotic Pakistani are happy, we can see the potential
Rather then go through another 100 years of being picked off one by one, our Nations need to come to together to form a plan to safeguard the Muslim world and it's resources

Once we bring other countries on board, we can potentially control or have a influence on

Entry into the Mediterranean
Eastern Mediterranean
Suez Canal
Bab al whatever it is
Hormuz
Malacca

And put smaller vulnerable Muslim states under the umbrella of a large alliance

Whilst also better protecting the vast resource of the Muslim world and keeping enemies out


For some reason these clowns don't want any change, so we suffer for another 500 years


The ethnocentric lannats and PTI fanboys are especially jahil, all they want is Pakistan falling apart so their Messiah returns and they can carve up Pakistan for their sardars and chiefs, bunch of ducking clowns

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!................................Rather than being genocidal colonialist racist slaves for eternity, the Makkeh pact is the 1st STEP for ALL sincere and well-meaning Muslim nations to become capable of building up their scientific, technological and industrial bases and then moving on to INDEPENDENTLY being able to develop deadly advanced weapons systems that can protect and defend ourselves from genocidal racists colonialist maniacs who want to genocide our people like they have done to over 100,000 Palestinians in Gaza. ALOT of self-hating Pakistanis, enemies of Pakistan and Islam have a BIG BIG problem with this. They fear a strong, prosperous and advanced Pakistan. The self-hating Pakistanis want to continue being slaves of genocidal colonialist racist maniacs FOREVER.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Looks great on paper but history since the world wars says otherwise..... We were treaty allies of the West in SEATO and CENTO, nobody came in 1965, nobody came in 1971 when the country was literally being cut in half... Americans even embargoed arms to us in 65 while we were their ally.....

And this cuts both ways, if Saudis or Turks come under attack tomorrow, how much can we realistically do for them? Even the Turkish FM has already said the form of support will be decided through consultations after an attack, and that word is the escape hatch.....

In the end every nation fights its enemies alone, every one of us.... Nothing wrong with the agreement, sign it by all means, but some things are too good to be true so no high hopes....

Allies of "the West". ENOUGH said.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Let the self-hating Pakistanis, enemies of Pakistan and Islam CONTINUE jumping up and down like little chimpanzees as their ar*es are on fire because of the Mekkah pact.........................................................it's REALLY HIGHLY HILARIOUS!!!!!!!........................

 

[Meengla]

Looks great on paper but history since the world wars says otherwise..... We were treaty allies of the West in SEATO and CENTO, nobody came in 1965, nobody came in 1971 when the country was literally being cut in half... Americans even embargoed arms to us in 65 while we were their ally.....

A little off topic but Pakistan was in the Western camp against the Soviets/Warsaw Pact. India was never part of those Soviet alliances, despite the Indo-Soviet agreement in 1970/71. Pakistanis just breast beat over the so-called 'betrayal' by America but that is misleading as America's security umbrella was limited to the communist countries. In fact, the Americans always courted the Indians since the 1947 Partition but the Indians were too stupid to reciprocate until the 2000s. And the Indian stupidity enabled Pakistan to become much stronger than it would have been without the alliance with the West.

 

[M. Sarmad]

A little off topic but Pakistan was in the Western camp against the Soviets/Warsaw Pact. India was never part of those Soviet alliances, despite the Indo-Soviet agreement in 1970/71. Pakistanis just breast beat over the so-called 'betrayal' by America but that is misleading as America's security umbrella was limited to the communist countries. In fact, the Americans always courted the Indians since the 1947 Partition but the Indians were too stupid to reciprocate until the 2000s. And the Indian stupidity enabled Pakistan to become much stronger than it would have been without the alliance with the West.

Calling Indians stupid when their one treaty actually delivered is a strange take..... The Indo-Soviet Treaty of August 71 was a de facto alliance, it kept China out, gave them Soviet vetoes at the UN and covered their invasion, that did more for them than two decades of our SEATO CENTO membership combined.....


And we also had the 1959 bilateral agreement with America, ironically signed in Ankara, Turkey of all places, US promising "appropriate action, including the use of armed forces" in case of aggression against Pakistan..... When Yahya invoked it in December 1971, the State Department argued no binding obligation existed since the action was "as may be mutually agreed upon" ..... the escape hatches in such agreements i was referring to in my earlier post...

And then we had Kennedy's written assurance to Ayub in 1962, that's what Pindi banked on..... In Nov 62, US Ambassador Walter McConaughy handed Ayub a formal aide memoire assuring that the United States would "come to Pakistan's assistance in the event of aggression from India against Pakistan." Explicit, written, and naming India ..... not the Soviets, not China.

Funny part is Nixon actually tilted our way in 71, sent the "Enterprise" into the Bay of Bengal, just to appear to be helping, and it understandably changed nothing on the ground.... And then the US insisted on working under the same bilateral agreement in 1979, to which we complied.....


So spare us the betrayal semantics trying to defend the US, the lesson stands, paper pacts don't fight wars, nations do.....

 

[BlueMarlin]

this agreement is a very loose nato styled agreement, where a country would intervene if another was attacked. intervene is not only defined by fighter jet's, missiles, or man power but resources. take that in mind